CJ/Lillard/Stotts

[HailBlazers]

Love watching CJ go 1v4 when a bigs wide open in the lane.. NOT

 

[H.C.]

thats not a fair assessment. First, CJ hardly played the first year and a half, and second, lob passes to Plumlee? He hasnt had the bigs he has now. Should he continue to develop his game? yes, but sometimes that development can be hindered by other players abilities... or lack of.

I also think Stotts was running Aminu into the pick to put jokik on Dame. Mismatch for Dame.

Pretty sure that's what I was hinting at. CJ hasn't had the bigs to throw lobs to.
And the one big were he could throw that pocket pass out of the P&P.. How much run did he exactly get with him?
If he can't develop that pass going forward.. Then well Portland needs to find a player who can.
For whatever reason Turner is not that player...
I was never, nor am I now a Batum fan. But he was able to make P&R work with Rolo. Why can't Turner make it work with Nurk?

Soon as a couple times happened when Jokic was just leaving Aminu unguarded, playing center field. An adjustment needed to be made.
Pull Aminu for Nards, change whos setting the P&R and sit Aminu in the corner.
Something. to get your best player some space.

 

[Reep]

Nurk only gets 2 shots in the 4th quarter tonight against Denver.
He went 2-2 in 8 minutes.
Nurk went 9-15 in the game.

One of these 3 needed to step up.
Get together and say.
Nurk is going, find the hot hand.

Accountability.

Don't worry. CJ has found the answer. He is now practicing Apathy. That should help.
https://www.blazersedge.com/2018/4/...-mccollum-not-worried-about-slump-jason-quick

 

[H.C.]

I think my biggest issue with Stotts has become his willingness to allow his back up guard to not run offense.

I have no issues with Napier dribbling and calling his own number if. He's got others involved first, or ran some offense and got an easy bunny jumper for himself.
But for Stotts to allow Napier to run p&r, back it out and call for another p&r.
Only to take a 15 foot jumper or a contested three with a few seconds left on the clock bothers me.

There is no reason for the back up point guard to dribble the ball for 20s only to take a shot which he could've got in the first 4s of the possession.

I remember as 7th grade kid being told by coaches.
'HC, it's cool you made that shot. But you can get that shot any time. Where if you get this teammate a shot, it will make it easier on you next time.'

Napier needs to run offense or Stotts needs to pull him.
Cause right now he's armon johnson

 

[Orion Bailey]

Pretty sure that's what I was hinting at. CJ hasn't had the bigs to throw lobs to.
And the one big were he could throw that pocket pass out of the P&P.. How much run did he exactly get with him?
If he can't develop that pass going forward.. Then well Portland needs to find a player who can.
For whatever reason Turner is not that player...
I was never, nor am I now a Batum fan. But he was able to make P&R work with Rolo. Why can't Turner make it work with Nurk?

Soon as a couple times happened when Jokic was just leaving Aminu unguarded, playing center field. An adjustment needed to be made.
Pull Aminu for Nards, change whos setting the P&R and sit Aminu in the corner.
Something. to get your best player some space.

I only included your quote because that is what @TBpup was responding to. Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant that I didn't think T's assessment was fair based o your post.

 

[calvin natt]

Remember how well Nurk passed out of the post last season? Before he was taught the Tater Totts brand of basketball that results in turnovers?

Stotts is teaching him to not pass out of the post now?

 

[calvin natt]

I know ... gras is not always green on the other side, but when I see our team, I can tell ... our coaching doesn't do this team good.
I have been on the fire Stotts bandwagon for some time.
We have too much talent to be this mediocre ...
Yea 3 seed my behind. I will be shocked if we get out of the first round.
We lost to Dallas and Memphis ... let that sink in.
We have guys shooting the team out of games in 2 quarters ...
Stotts has not been able to get anything meaningful out of Turner. And we are paying him tons of money.

I don't think this team has "too much talent" to be sitting on 48 wins. I think they have more wins than the talent indicates. That's where this forum splits in two.
Every team loses to crap teams. Memphis and Dallas have wins over a bunch of teams that are better than them.
Tuner playing like garbage most of the time isn't Stotts' fault. How about we hold the actual player who makes $17M a year accountable for his play?

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't think this team has "too much talent" to be sitting on 48 wins. I think they have more wins than the talent indicates. That's where this forum splits in two.
Every team loses to crap teams. Memphis and Dallas have wins over a bunch of teams that are better than them.
Tuner playing like garbage most of the time isn't Stotts' fault. How about we hold the actual player who makes $17M a year accountable for his play?

That isn't fair either though. You think he is going to say to NO, "naah, I'm not worth that. I cant play at that level. Ill take 10 mill a year though."

I'm still a semi supporter of NO, but that's on him. Not Turner.

 

[Natebishop3]

I used to love CJ McCollum when he was coming up. He would always be the smartest guy on the court, making the smartest decisions ...
Now he looks like the dumbest guy on the court every time. I don't know if he has been shooting 30% in the last 10 games.
Tonight: 5-18 = 27%. Against Houston
E.T. 38 minutes, 4 points ... 2-9 = 22%, ZERO free throws. but that is expected. He is not getting paid enough to score 10 points.

Last five games CJ is shooting .344% from the field and .207 from three.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Last five games CJ is shooting .344% from the field and .207 from three.

Whats wierd is it was just a few weeks ago he was considered mister consistent. Now it feels like those were the dark ages....Pre Atlantis or something.

 

[calvin natt]

That isn't fair either though. You think he is going to say to NO, "naah, I'm not worth that. I cant play at that level. Ill take 10 mill a year though."

I'm still a semi supporter of NO, but that's on him. Not Turner.

I’m not saying people should turn down money. I’m saying players are responsible for their performance.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I’m not saying people should turn down money. I’m saying players are responsible for their performance.

But you based that performance off his salary and that isnt fair.

 

[calvin natt]

But you based that performance off his salary and that isnt fair.

Not fair? What is this CYO? Yes. Yes, if you make $17m the expectations are higher than if you make $2m. That’s how the world works.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not fair? What is this CYO? Yes. Yes, if you make $17m the expectations are higher than if you make $2m. That’s how the world works.

And I would put that expectation on Turner if he asked for that money. He didn't. He only accepted it, so the disappointment that followed the expectation doesn't fall on Turners shoulders, it falls on Olsheys. Does it mean we need to keep him? No, Not what i'm saying and I agree hi salary is our black hole and currently the biggest roadblock to improvement. but I don't blame Turner for that.

 

[blue9]

Stotts is teaching him to not pass out of the post now?

No, that wasn't what I was getting at. My point was, rather, that Nurk (and others) played better off of instincts than in Tater's system that results in 3-pointers from subpar shooters. It's like he saw how beautiful those Nurk passes to Harkless cuts were last season and said "Nah, an Evan Turner 3-point attempt is always a better option!" Totts puts no emphasis or value on movement in the direction of the basket.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Whats wierd is it was just a few weeks ago he was considered mister consistent

Hmm what ? I would disagree

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hmm what ? I would disagree

Maybe a fewcweeks isnt long enough. A month or two? He was in the conversation for 50/40/90 i thought?

 

[H.C.]

Maybe a fewcweeks isnt long enough. A month or two? He was in the conversation for 50/40/90 i thought?

Last year yeah he was in the conversation for 50/40/90.
This year I played fantasy basketball for the first time ever.
I picked up CJ expecting him to be near that again. Unfortunately, he performed just like every other scoring guard.
Honestly Lou Williams & Eric Gordon performed better for me than CJ.

I do expect him to get back to the 50/40/90 club as a Blazer next year. As I believe he & Stotts will adjust to the defenses

 

[SIeepwalker]

Imagine this team with pre-injury Wes instead of CJ and tell me honestly we wouldn't be better

 

[KingSpeed]

Imagine this team with pre-injury Wes instead of CJ and tell me honestly we wouldn't be better

Pre-injury Wes instead of CJ of last couple weeks, sure, but overall, CJ is the better player and gives us that second 20 ppg scorer that we needed once Aldridge left. Pre-injury Wes couldn't do that. Post-injury Wes might be fun to have coming off our bench but we already have a younger version in Baldwin so maybe not.

 

[Lukee]

Imagine this team with pre-injury Wes instead of CJ and tell me honestly we wouldn't be better

Wes pre-injury was like 15-16 ppg player. We wouldn't be better.

I like CJ, he's class and fun guy, but I wouldn't mind if we trade him for something good. If we can't get enough, I'm fine with him.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Wes pre-injury was like 15-16 ppg player. We wouldn't be better.

Oh sorry for some reason I thought everything wasn't about point average.......

 

[blue9]

Imagine this team with pre-injury Wes instead of CJ and tell me honestly we wouldn't be better

Sure. But how are we going to replace CJ with a pre-injury Wes clone?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I know ... gras is not always green on the other side, but when I see our team, I can tell ... our coaching doesn't do this team good.
I have been on the fire Stotts bandwagon for some time.
We have too much talent to be this mediocre ...
Yea 3 seed my behind. I will be shocked if we get out of the first round.
We lost to Dallas and Memphis ... let that sink in.
We have guys shooting the team out of games in 2 quarters ...
Stotts has not been able to get anything meaningful out of Turner. And we are paying him tons of money.

Or maybe we do not have too much talent. And with Dame (and Mo) missing those two games..... we had even less. There is a fine line between good teams and average teams. We see it every year when one key player gets hurt. I am ok with getting rid of Stotts, but it won't make a difference if we don't have a fucking shooter at SF. AND a couple more coming off the bench.

 

[Lukee]

Oh sorry for some reason I thought everything wasn't about point average.......

It's not, but our defense is good. On ofense, we struggle, without CJ points through the season we would be even more fucked.