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Mediocre Man said:
No he has not. He's actually been on lists of thecworst defenders in the league. Defense is mostly effort.

That's why people like the post. They aren't apologists for Dame and CJ
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We can go back and forth arguing about whatever but I'm not going to. Just because you're not a good Defender doesn't mean you don't give effort and Dame has always given effort. I'm done debating with you because you have a completely different View no matter how wrong it is.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Youre arguing to argue
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Really? NO, IM trying to get you to see the light. You are stating you KNOW something as a fact when you dont. And THATS a fact.....

I personally think he has given 100% as far as he believes, and maybe he has now realized or learned through experience, there may be more than one way to be a good defender, which is true. And maybe his effort needs to be direct more to one certain type than another, which could possibly make him a better defender without actually exerting any more effort.

You are the one arguing just to argue when you tell people you know what they know.....
 
dviss1 said:
We can go back and forth arguing about whatever but I'm not going to. Just because you're not a good Defender doesn't mean you don't give effort and Dame has always given effort. I'm done debating with you because you have a completely different View no matter how wrong it is.
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So you'r saying Dame went from shitty to good in a summer, and none of it is effort?
 
Mediocre Man said:
So you'r saying Dame went from shitty to good in a summer, and none of it is effort?
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No, maybe he is saying that Dame is being taught/trying different things and now with a big in the paint it allows his SAME effort to provide better Defense.

You can post such a narrow minded viewpoints at times its mind boggling to think if you are actually able to see anything other than what you believe.... not what you know, but what you believe.

You know when we stop living right? When we stop learning. ;)
 
dviss1 said:
Every team goes through those stretches. Remember, the NBA is a game of runs and always has been.
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It's true. The fucking Warriors were held scoreless for the last 3:30 of Game 7 in 2016 NBA Finals.
 
Maybe Napier saved him some energy... Dame also said Napier is an inspiration to him in the past.
 
Orion Bailey said:
No, maybe he is saying that Dame is being taught/trying different things and now with a big in the paint it allows his SAME effort to provide better Defense.

You can post such a narrow minded viewpoints at times its mind boggling to think if you are actually able to see anything other than what you believe.... not what you know, but what you believe.

You know when we stop living right? When we stop learning. ;)
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I'll take it from someone there everyday, instead of you. We'll call it good
 
Mediocre Man said:
So you'r saying Dame went from shitty to good in a summer, and none of it is effort?
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No. I think he's worked on his defense. I think he made a concerted effort this summer to come out and be a better Defender fundamentally. You call it effort all you want but I just think that's a load of crap. He's always giving effort on defense.

Defense isn't only about effort. That's literally only like 20% of it in my opinion.

If you aren't sitting down in the chair, if you aren't step sliding but you're galloping, if you aren't taking the right angles, if you aren't seeing the ball and your man, if you're reaching or not playing with your hands in the legal guarding position...

Then you aren't playing good fundamental defense. It's much more than the effort that you're talking about.

You think that if Luke Babbitt gave 1000% effort that he would be a good Defender ever? No I don't think so.

Saying "defense is about effort" is merely parroting a cliche.
 
dviss1 said:
Saying "defense is about effort" is merely parroting a cliche.
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To be fair though, it's a cliché that NBA players themselves parrot on the regular.

However (and bear with my rabbit trail), it also brings to mind a line I heard in a recent episode of "This Is Us" (love that show). An incarcerated character said something to the effect of, "You think I'm in here because of my choices; people who say that are the ones who had choices."

Similarly, the NBA players who say defense is all about effort are (arguably) also the ones who already had the physical attributes, mental makeup, and practiced fundamentals necessaryv in order to convert that effort into effective defense. Perhaps not all NBA players fit that description.
 
dviss1 said:
No. I think he's worked on his defense. I think he made a concerted effort this summer to come out and be a better Defender fundamentally. You call it effort all you want but I just think that's a load of crap. He's always giving effort on defense.

Defense isn't only about effort. That's literally only like 20% of it in my opinion.

If you aren't sitting down in the chair, if you aren't step sliding but you're galloping, if you aren't taking the right angles, if you aren't seeing the ball and your man, if you're reaching or not playing with your hands in the legal guarding position...

Then you aren't playing good fundamental defense. It's much more than the effort that you're talking about.

You think that if Luke Babbitt gave 1000% effort that he would be a good Defender ever? No I don't think so.

Saying "defense is about effort" is merely parroting a cliche.
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If Luke gave all out effort on defense, he'd be a better defender. One guy has had the tools his whole career, while the other has limitations
 
Mediocre Man said:
If Luke gave all out effort on defense, he'd be a better defender. One guy has had the tools his whole career, while the other has limitations
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What good is a tool if you don't know how to use it? Maybe he has simply figured out how to use it? Doesn't mean he wasn't trying before, but now he has figured out how to use his tools... Which angles to take, how high he should hold his hands. How to space his feet during this situation or that. Do you know that he was taught these things in college and ignored them and was lazy on D?
You say you know from someone around him that he hasn't tried. I'd like to hear that first hand, or you can be filed away with TMZ.
People progress and improve, all the while maintaining 100% effort.
People learn.
Well most....
 
Orion Bailey said:
What good is a tool if you don't know how to use it? Maybe he has simply figured out how to use it? Doesn't mean he wasn't trying before, but now he has figured out how to use his tools... Which angles to take, how high he should hold his hands. How to space his feet during this situation or that. Do you know that he was taught these things in college and ignored them and was lazy on D?
You say you know from someone around him that he hasn't tried. I'd like to hear that first hand, or you can be filed away with TMZ.
People progress and improve, all the while maintaining 100% effort.
People learn.
Well most....
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We'll both hold our breath until Dame says he mailed it in defensively his first several years
 
Mediocre Man said:
We'll both hold our breath until Dame says he mailed it in defensively his first several years
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No... you will hold your breath. I will do nothing of the sort. I'm not so concrete in my opinions, and I know my opinions are just that without proof or facts, i'm not gonna doubt a guy who has made it to the nba. Lets keep it real here please.
And the reality is you consistently think your opinions are facts..
And that's why having a discussion with you is like beating your head against the wall...
 
Orion Bailey said:
No... you will hold your breath. I will do nothing of the sort. I'm not so concrete in my opinions, and I know my opinions are just that without proof or facts, i'm not gonna doubt a guy who has made it to the nba. Lets keep it real here please.
And the reality is you consistently think your opinions are facts..
And that's why having a discussion with you is like beating your head against the wall...
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You should stop then
 
Jason Quick on 1080 last night said that the increased attention to defense by Dame and CJ is starting to wear them down and is not sustainable.
 
Mediocre Man said:
If you think Dame's effort on defense is the same this year as in years past, we can't have a discussion.
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Mediocre Man said:
You should stop then
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Coming from the guy who cant have a discussion...LMAO

Dude your double standards crack me up...You should really read your posts more... you make zero sense sometimes.....
 
Mediocre Man said:
If Luke gave all out effort on defense, he'd be a better defender. One guy has had the tools his whole career, while the other has limitations
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So you're not going to answer the question. I didn't say better. I said good.
 
SportsAndWhine said:
Aminu will return and they can relax a bit.
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Hopefully not. Different positions. Like kjironman1 alludes to above if they are exerting more effort on D, their offense will be effected unless they get more rest. Napier's role is huge. ET and Pat as well. But if Napier and ET can work well together then CJ and Dame can play longer together and sit longer together.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Hopefully not. Different positions. Like kjironman1 alludes to above if they are exerting more effort on D, their offense will be effected unless they get more rest. Napier's role is huge. ET and Pat as well. But if Napier and ET can work well together then CJ and Dame can play longer together and sit longer together.
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Obviously CJ is fine given he's still shooting lights out from three. Dame has reserves of energy... Napier coming on strong is great, but I'll still say that Aminu being back will help a lot because (a) he was the best defender on the team before the injury and (b) he was the best defender on the team before the injury. I know that's just one point, but it's so important I thought I'd mention it twice.

(that was a nerdy reference...)
 
dviss1 said:
So you're not going to answer the question. I didn't say better. I said good.
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When does he?
Almost troll like, he refuses to debate if you have a differing opinion.
Like, if you cant see Dame wasn't giving effort, then you cant have a discussion. But what he meant was, if you don't believe what I believe, then we cant have a discussion....
So with that, you are surprised he didn't answer you??

Im not....
 
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