Clark a Knick?

[P.A.P.]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Brewer's deal does not affect the Knicks' $4.9 million exception. The Knicks, after signing Vin Baker to a $3.5M wage last week, still have $1.4M of that exception to offer 6-11 Keon Clark, who's still on Thomas' radar. Thomas can also sign Clark with the team's small exception of $1.6M. </div>

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It would be a good signing by the Knicks. He'd would come at a relatively cheap price, and will bring some defense in the front court that already consists of Thomas and Sweetney, two beasts and the Junk Yard Dog. Should be a pretty good 4 man rotation, 5 if Baker doesn't screw up again. I don't see Mohammed getting much PT.

 

[Ma3oxuct]

No way dude, the Nets are going to end up signing Clark

, just watch.

 

[TnNeG]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting xpehbamxyu:</div><div class="quote_post">No way dude, the Nets are going to end up signing Clark

, just watch.</div>
nets fans.... :thumbsdow
well this would be a great addition at such a low price i doubt that hell sign for that low though

 

[samoan-maverick]

I cant see him signing for less than 2 mil. Clark would be a great pickup for any team, I see someone like Phoenix or the ATL, since they have more money left and need a bit more size.

 

[P.A.P.]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting samoan-maverick:</div><div class="quote_post">I cant see him signing for less than 2 mil. Clark would be a great pickup for any team, I see someone like Phoenix or the ATL, since they have more money left and need a bit more size.</div>

I think he'll sign for 2 million or less. Phoenix let him go last year for nothing so he's not going back there. And since he wasn't picked up by any playoff contenders, i think the price should be cheap.

 

[Midnight Green]

I think he is still worth more than 2 million, but he really lost himself after he was traded from Sacramento the injury and some what lack of work ethic cost him a lot last season. I think if the Knicks can take a risk on Baker they should take a risk on him he has a lot of potential and is a great shot blocker.

He would also fill the void left by Mutombo call Mutombo what you want call him a senior citizen, but he turns away shots and the Knicks dont have anyone to do that now. They also didnt get Dampier so there best big man is Thomas who plays the 4 there 5 spot is empty. I dont think Sweetny can handle the five at all.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">I think he is still worth more than 2 million.</div>
Absoultely not. This is the kind of player who steps into the game and plays 10-15 minutes and gives you 5-7 points and 4 rebounds. However, this only occurs once every 6 games. he'll give you nothing for a week at some points, NOTHING. He's worthless, not even worth a million.

The void left by Mutombo should be tended to by someone else.

 

[Henacy]

Well Iam not going to knock Clark, I think he would be useful to a team that can risk taking a chance on him coming off the major injury last season. But with that being said....

The Knicks arent one of those teams who can take such a risk. The Knicks have already taken a big risk investing so much into Vin Baker, who is of course unstabble due to his bout with depression & addiction. So to invest money in another potenially question marked big man trying to get back into form doesnt seem that smart from my standpoint. That would mean close to 5-6 million dollars invested into 2 shakey bigmen. I know the Knicks are wheeling from not getting Rasheed or Eric Dampier, but this seems like a move they should pass on. The risk of signing Clark ,after signing Baker to his deal, seems alot bigger then the reward for them. I rather see the Knicks stay put then over spend. Over spending is the reason they are in the position they are in with some of these other guys they have under contract.

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Absoultely not. This is the kind of player who steps into the game and plays 10-15 minutes and gives you 5-7 points and 4 rebounds. However, this only occurs once every 6 games. he'll give you nothing for a week at some points, NOTHING. He's worthless, not even worth a million.

The void left by Mutombo should be tended to by someone else.</div>
I dont think so because although he struggled last year because of injuris he is a very good defender and is worth well over a million. He performed well nit he three man rotation in Sac town with him, Pollard, and Divac. I think they could establish something like that in NY with him, Nazir, and Sweetny or Kurt Thomas.

With that three man roatition at that spot they would have a player that could do something well in every aspect of the game Clark defend, Sweetny score, Kurt Thomas rebound and all around player. That would also allow the back court to get out on the break by having Clark because he will get his fare number of blocks allowing the team to get the ball and open up the floor.

 

[Nylex]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Brewer's deal does not affect the Knicks' $4.9 million exception.</div>

Can someone please explain this to me? If Isiah didn't use any of the $4.9 M exception or the other exception on Brewer, where did the money to sign him come from??

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Nylex:</div><div class="quote_post">Can someone please explain this to me? If Isiah didn't use any of the $4.9 M exception or the other exception on Brewer, where did the money to sign him come from??</div>
They probably signed him to like the vertern minimum or something like that it would probably affect the mid level excemption a little, but leave part of it still there enough to sign a player. They probably still have some where around 1 million or something still avaliable. Not sure though.

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">They probably signed him to like the vertern minimum or something like that it would probably affect the mid level excemption a little, but leave part of it still there enough to sign a player. They probably still have some where around 1 million or something still avaliable. Not sure though.</div>

Nah, the Knicks still got the veteran minimum available as well, thats what the 1.6 is that they are talking about in the article, seperate from the 1.4 million left on the mid-level exception. Brewer got signed to the league minimum, its different from the Vet minimum, so that why it doesnt have an effect on the Veteran minimum or the mid-level exception, I believe.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont think so because although he struggled last year because of injuris he is a very good defender and is worth well over a million. He performed well nit he three man rotation in Sac town with him, Pollard, and Divac. I think they could establish something like that in NY with him, Nazir, and Sweetny or Kurt Thomas.

With that three man roatition at that spot they would have a player that could do something well in every aspect of the game Clark defend, Sweetny score, Kurt Thomas rebound and all around player. That would also allow the back court to get out on the break by having Clark because he will get his fare number of blocks allowing the team to get the ball and open up the floor.</div>
No. First off Clark wouldn't be involved in any way with the PFs he'd be baking up Mohammed with Baker. Sweetney is expected to get around 18 Minutes this year so KT can play 30, so Clark is not involved thre.

Clark is a good shot-blocker, yes. BUT HE IS INCONSISTENT. And people who follow the Knicks and study them like me and some other Knicks fans KNOW that we don't need another inconsistent ballplayer, we already have crawford (inconsistent) and TT (Iinconsistent) in the backcourt why mess up the front court as well?

Also with his injuries. No Knicks fans want an injury-plagued player like CLark, we already have Houston and his bad knees and you never know what can happen to Kurt and his pinkie.

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">No. First off Clark wouldn't be involved in any way with the PFs he'd be baking up Mohammed with Baker. Sweetney is expected to get around 18 Minutes this year so KT can play 30, so Clark is not involved thre.

Clark is a good shot-blocker, yes. BUT HE IS INCONSISTENT. And people who follow the Knicks and study them like me and some other Knicks fans KNOW that we don't need another inconsistent ballplayer, we already have crawford (inconsistent) and TT (Iinconsistent) in the backcourt why mess up the front court as well?

Also with his injuries. No Knicks fans want an injury-plagued player like CLark, we already have Houston and his bad knees and you never know what can happen to Kurt and his pinkie.</div>
Yet the knicks sign all these inconsistant player and injury prone players like Baker and Crawford. So what rules out the fact that they will sign Clark? Also did I saw he would be involved with the Power Forwards I said Sweetny could be along with him and Nazir or Thomas could be a good trio at the five not the power forward like the rotation that they had in sac town.

Also the Knicks are well over the cap and dont seem like they will get under it any time soon so with the market the way it is Clark is really a player that if he stays healthy can help the team out a lot they wont be making any huge offers do to them being so far over the cap to any other player at this point.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Yet the knicks sign all these inconsistant player and injury prone players like Baker and Crawford. So what rules out the fact that they will sign Clark? Also did I saw he would be involved with the Power Forwards I said Sweetny could be along with him and Nazir or Thomas could be a good trio at the five not the power forward like the rotation that they had in sac town.

Also the Knicks are well over the cap and dont seem like they will get under it any time soon so with the market the way it is Clark is really a player that if he stays healthy can help the team out a lot they wont be making any huge offers do to them being so far over the cap to any other player at this point.</div>
Just answer me this: How would he <u>HELP</u> us?

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Just answer me this: How would he <u>HELP</u> us?</div>

The wyas I have been saying he will help you. Shot blocking, depth, and not to mention giving probably the best three man rotation in the east to the knicks. Now answer me this also what is preventing isiah from signing him? if he took risks on players like Baker, Mutombo, and others what makes Clark any different?

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">

The wyas I have been saying he will help you. Shot blocking, depth, and not to mention giving probably the best three man rotation in the east to the knicks. Now answer me this also what is preventing isiah from signing him? if he took risks on players like Baker, Mutombo, and others what makes Clark any different?</div>

Clark is an injury-plagued ballplayer. He doesn't even belong in the LEAGUE with the way he's been playing. Don't even consider telling me that you think that the Knicks are going to have serious DEPTH in the frontcourt?

Also, he's not really what we need, he's better than picking up a guard.


Let's just say acquiring Clark will not 'put us over the top' in other words: "He isn't the missing piece to our frontcourt puzzle."

 

[Nylex]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">Nah, the Knicks still got the veteran minimum available as well, thats what the 1.6 is that they are talking about in the article, seperate from the 1.4 million left on the mid-level exception. Brewer got signed to the league minimum, its different from the Vet minimum, so that why it doesnt have an effect on the Veteran minimum or the mid-level exception, I believe.</div>

Thanks (and Pure Skillz too).

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">

Clark is an injury-plagued ballplayer. He doesn't even belong in the LEAGUE with the way he's been playing. Don't even consider telling me that you think that the Knicks are going to have serious DEPTH in the frontcourt?

Also, he's not really what we need, he's better than picking up a guard.


Let's just say acquiring Clark will not 'put us over the top' in other words: "He isn't the missing piece to our frontcourt puzzle."

</div>
Honstely though players like Vin Baker and Mutombo who the knicks have taken risks on before did they deserve it at the time or in Bakers case does he deserve it now? You asked how can he help you guys really though how can he hurt you? He will be signed to a small contract something goes wrong waive him. He takes up a roster spot big deal and its not like your taking a huge cap shot since they have the highest pay roll in the league.

Also liek I was saying to you on aim with players like Sweetny who dominated the double a level not performing that well in NY yet. What makes you thinka player like Ariza whod dint average over 20 points in college will last long in NY? Summer league games are not a good stage to judge a player on because they are playing players whoa re tring to make a roster like them selves or are rookies or undeveloped players. Good example of how summer league doesnt prove anything look at players like John Salmons dominate the summe rleague every year and dontdo well during the regular season as a team would like. Players like Lonny Baxter to look at him won rebook mvp in last years summe rleague trraded from the bulls tot he raptors, waived by the raptors, signed to a minimum contract by the wiz.

 

[harbingerofdoom]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">

Clark is an injury-plagued ballplayer. He doesn't even belong in the LEAGUE with the way he's been playing. Don't even consider telling me that you think that the Knicks are going to have serious DEPTH in the frontcourt?

Also, he's not really what we need, he's better than picking up a guard.


Let's just say acquiring Clark will not 'put us over the top' in other words: "He isn't the missing piece to our frontcourt puzzle."

</div>
your right about him not being the piece of the puzzle thats missing, but as long as he is healthy, he is a good role player.. the real question is.. will he be healthy

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Honstely though players like Vin Baker and Mutombo who the knicks have taken risks on before did they deserve it at the time or in Bakers case does he deserve it now? You asked how can he help you guys really though how can he hurt you? He will be signed to a small contract something goes wrong waive him. He takes up a roster spot big deal and its not like your taking a huge cap shot since they have the highest pay roll in the league.

Also liek I was saying to you on aim with players like Sweetny who dominated the double a level not performing that well in NY yet. What makes you thinka player like Ariza whod dint average over 20 points in college will last long in NY? Summer league games are not a good stage to judge a player on because they are playing players whoa re tring to make a roster like them selves or are rookies or undeveloped players. Good example of how summer league doesnt prove anything look at players like John Salmons dominate the summe rleague every year and dontdo well during the regular season as a team would like. Players like Lonny Baxter to look at him won rebook mvp in last years summe rleague trraded from the bulls tot he raptors, waived by the raptors, signed to a minimum contract by the wiz.</div>

The Baker thing- YES, it was a good idea to take a risk on him! We needed an inside presence going into the playoffs and he was supposed to BRING IT! He is worth it again so he may tach his post-moves to Sweetney.

Sweetney is performing well in NY, he averaged 15-17 rebounds per 48 minutes last year, that is OUTSTANDING for a rookie.

Ariza didn't average 20 points in college? So?! He has shown great talent and he is worth it. Anyway, Ariza is making NOTHING, he's already more valuable than Clark because he has a future and he has good courtvision.


The Cap issue- I know the Knicks will never be relieved of the cap, but is that an excuse to throw money away? No. There is simply no point in signing him, he won't help us at all, all he'd do is take up space. He also lacks fundamentals at this stage in his career! Why bring in a guy like that? He may disturb the teachings of Abdul-Jabbar! There is no GOOD reason to have him in NY, we need a big man, but he can't fill the void appropriately.

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">The Baker thing- YES, it was a good idea to take a risk on him! We needed an inside presence going into the playoffs and he was supposed to BRING IT! He is worth it again so he may tach his post-moves to Sweetney.</div>
Did Baker prove to you guys that he can "bring it" as you like to say? Because to me it does not look like he proved much and considering the fact I think the Knicks will be in the layoffs this year I think you would be still looking for an inside pressence. Espically now that Mutombo is gone.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Sweetney is performing well in NY, he averaged 15-17 rebounds per 48 minutes last year, that is OUTSTANDING for a rookie.</div>
Yet offensively he did not prove he can be the horse that the knicks can ride to the playoffs like some analysts on draft night said.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Ariza didn't average 20 points in college? So?! He has shown great talent and he is worth it. Anyway, Ariza is making NOTHING, he's already more valuable than Clark because he has a future and he has good courtvision.</div>
Really Ariza is more avaliable then Clark? Ariza I bet can defend really well and has already proven he is not going to be a bust probably right. No way Ariza after a few good summer league games has already more worth than Clark. Only thing ariza has is the age factor. He has not played a single nba minute.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">The Cap issue- I know the Knicks will never be relieved of the cap, but is that an excuse to throw money away? No. There is simply no point in signing him, he won't help us at all, all he'd do is take up space. He also lacks fundamentals at this stage in his career! Why bring in a guy like that? He may disturb the teachings of Abdul-Jabbar! There is no GOOD reason to have him in NY, we need a big man, but he can't fill the void appropriately.</div>
How is it throwing money away. Isee it as a solid investment and like any investment it has its risks, but if you score you have a huge player at a cheap price. Youc said it yourself they need a inside force for the playoffs why not take a risk on one?

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Did Baker prove to you guys that he can "bring it" as you like to say? Because to me it does not look like he proved much and considering the fact I think the Knicks will be in the layoffs this year I think you would be still looking for an inside pressence. Espically now that Mutombo is gone.


Yet offensively he did not prove he can be the horse that the knicks can ride to the playoffs like some analysts on draft night said.


Really Ariza is more avaliable then Clark? Ariza I bet can defend really well and has already proven he is not going to be a bust probably right. No way Ariza after a few good summer league games has already more worth than Clark. Only thing ariza has is the age factor. He has not played a single nba minute.



How is it throwing money away. Isee it as a solid investment and like any investment it has its risks, but if you score you have a huge player at a cheap price. Youc said it yourself they need a inside force for the playoffs why not take a risk on one?</div>
Baker- No he didnt bring it! I know this! But is it worth a shot?! ABSOLUTLEY!


So what if Sweetney isn't a weapon on offense?! He is a dynamc OFFENSIVE rebounder! We have the guards to hoist the jumpers (starbury, Crawford and Houston---all natural scorers) and we have Sweets to pull down boards!

Ariza is much more valuable! You must've missed the games in the summer league. He tore it apart! People in NY worship him already.Ariza's defense was prett damn solid as well. Granted, some can't perform on NY's stage, ISIAH THINKS HE'S A GOOD SWINGMAN AND LETS SAY THAT ISIAH KNOWS HIS GUARDS!


It's throwing money away iin the sense that we already dished out money to Baker and we can put our Centers and PFs into the hands of the likes of Abdul-Jabbar! There is no need to waste money.

You ssay that Clark is a 'solid investment' tell that to Utah/Phoenix. He is an injury-plagued old player-----you call that a solid investment?!

Check out how many games he played last year! http://www.nba.com/playerfile/keon_clark/index.html?nav=page

that's right! A WHOPPING 2 GAMES! That sure is a solid investment as he is a "solid" ballplayer.

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Baker- No he didnt bring it! I know this! But is it worth a shot?! ABSOLUTLEY!


So what if Sweetney isn't a weapon on offense?! He is a dynamc OFFENSIVE rebounder! We have the guards to hoist the jumpers (starbury, Crawford and Houston---all natural scorers) and we have Sweets to pull down boards!

Ariza is much more valuable! You must've missed the games in the summer league. He tore it apart! People in NY worship him already.Ariza's defense was prett damn solid as well. Granted, some can't perform on NY's stage, ISIAH THINKS HE'S A GOOD SWINGMAN AND LETS SAY THAT ISIAH KNOWS HIS GUARDS!


It's throwing money away iin the sense that we already dished out money to Baker and we can put our Centers and PFs into the hands of the likes of Abdul-Jabbar! There is no need to waste money.

You ssay that Clark is a 'solid investment' tell that to Utah/Phoenix. He is an injury-plagued old player-----you call that a solid investment?!

Check out how many games he played last year! http://www.nba.com/playerfile/keon_clark/index.html?nav=page

that's right! A WHOPPING 2 GAMES! That sure is a solid investment as he is a "solid" ballplayer.</div>

Ok how are you going to judge Ariza on summer league games? Laren Woods once scored 30 points in a summer league game this year he struggled even to get a contract on a roster. He played solid defense? Agianst who other rookies and people tring to make a nba roster liek him?

O and you really waisted a lot of money on Vin Baker wow what a pay day he got. Nothing in the NBA is a given look at Jayson Williams Nets signed him to a huge deal runs into marbury bomb nba career is over. So anything in the NBA can be considered a solid investment. The Knicks need a inside pressence despite your reluctance to agree with me you have already stated that yourself Clark is the best left on the market so you really have to take a shot on him.

Not to mention the Sweetny thing he has reallystrived at one point last season he was on injury reserve for how long? and why not because he was injured, but jsut to stay on the roster.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok how are you going to judge Ariza on summer league games? Laren Woods once scored 30 points in a summer league game this year he struggled even to get a contract on a roster. He played solid defense? Agianst who other rookies and people tring to make a nba roster liek him?

O and you really waisted a lot of money on Vin Baker wow what a pay day he got. Nothing in the NBA is a given look at Jayson Williams Nets signed him to a huge deal runs into marbury bomb nba career is over. So anything in the NBA can be considered a solid investment. The Knicks need a inside pressence despite your reluctance to agree with me you have already stated that yourself Clark is the best left on the market so you really have to take a shot on him.

Not to mention the Sweetny thing he has reallystrived at one point last season he was on injury reserve for how long? and why not because he was injured, but jsut to stay on the roster.</div>

Trevor Ariza- I'm not solely judging him on the summer league stuff. I sprung 30 bucks for tapes of him in college. If he stayed a year or so longer, he's be a lotterey pick. He does, however, need to work on his perimeter Defense.His overall game is, as you would say "solid" i think he is a better investment then Clark.

We paid Baker what he's worth! "So anything in the NBA can be considered a solid investment."

Signing a 29-year old bum who never made a starting line-up for a consistent period of time while you have Baker already signed as a back-up center is a SOLID INVESTMET? NO!IT'S BARELY EVEN AN INVESTMENT, HE WON'T REALLY PLAY, HE'LL TEACH MOHHAMED HOW TO BLOCK SHOTS! WOW! FOR THAT HE DESERVES A ROSTER SPOT!


Sweetney- He was on the IR when Layden was the GM! That doesn't account for anything! What matters is what happens with the NEW GM - Isiah Thomas! Abdul-Jabbar has said countless times that Sweetney will emerge one days as a great ballplayer. Sweetney has drawn comparisons to Elton Brand, Clark is not worth corrupting such a piece!

 

[Midnight Green]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Trevor Ariza- I'm not solely judging him on the summer league stuff. I sprung 30 bucks for tapes of him in college. If he stayed a year or so longer, he's be a lotterey pick. He does, however, need to work on his perimeter Defense.His overall game is, as you would say "solid" i think he is a better investment then Clark.</div>
Though that improves your case by a lot the fact still remains that the double A level and the NBA level are to very different floors to compete on. A lot of players who have been great in college have not lasted very long in the league. I am at this moment gona call Clark better because I have seen what he does when healthy and have not seen Ariza's nba game yet.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks ANaylst:</div><div class="quote_post">We paid Baker what he's worth! "So anything in the NBA can be considered a solid investment."

Signing a 29-year old bum who never made a starting line-up for a consistent period of time while you have Baker already signed as a back-up center is a SOLID INVESTMET? NO!IT'S BARELY EVEN AN INVESTMENT, HE WON'T REALLY PLAY, HE'LL TEACH MOHHAMED HOW TO BLOCK SHOTS! WOW! FOR THAT HE DESERVES A ROSTER SPOT!</div>
He may not have been in the starting lineup consistantly in sac town which was the last time he was healthy, but the three man rotation of him, polard, and divac was almost enough to over throw the Lakers all those years.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Anayalst:</div><div class="quote_post">Sweetney- He was on the IR when Layden was the GM! That doesn't account for anything! What matters is what happens with the NEW GM - Isiah Thomas! Abdul-Jabbar has said countless times that Sweetney will emerge one days as a great ballplayer. Sweetney has drawn comparisons to Elton Brand, Clark is not worth corrupting such a piece!</div>
Clark would not corrupt Sweetny because sweetny is a power forward and Clark is a center. Either way those are my summary thoughts on on this subject and will probably be my last post in this thread we are both being stubborn on this matter and can go on like this all day.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">. Either way those are my summary thoughts on on this subject and will probably be my last post in this thread we are both being stubborn on this matter and can go on like this all day.</div>
Well since you definently can't change my mind, and I can't change yours I suppose we've reached a stalemate. We were both stubborn, that can be viewed as a good thing.

 

[kwatkins]

I commend you both. That conversation is why I log into this forum. I dont post often but I read daily. Both of you made solid points. I will say that i dont see much harm in inviting him to camp though. If he diserves a contract, he'll earn one.