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To me environmental management is simple and sure you can look at hundreds of millions of years of earth's changing landscape but for only a fraction of that time have humans been sucking oil out of the sub surface...testing nukes...strip mining...deforesting the canopy that scrubs CO2 and gives us oxygen supplies...wiped out countless species in the rainforest so cattle can forage....escalated the cattle industry to the highest methane levels ever..fished with mile long drift nets that don't discriminate what they catch..to study human impact you have to start pretty much at the industrial age and move forward....and some of our problems are snow balling. I can link articles about global warming but in my view folks can read on their own and talk about what they read without the cut and pasting debates some like to use.....Denny was big on those. I'm here for the conversation about these topics...not pages from textbooks. Not that there's anything wrong with those for folks who need links posted. If folks want to make beer in old lead paint cans...have at it!
 
riverman said:
escalated the cattle industry to the highest methane levels ever
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What do you think caused this escalation in the cattle industry? Not that it will have much to do with when the geoid fills.
 
It made me laugh pretty good when Booker went on about how we need to eat less meat. Eating meat is not sustainable! WTF?
 
riverman said:
Corporate ranching...with no concern for sustainable animal husbandry...pure greed …..
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I see. Well that is one way to see it.
I see it as the market expanding, creating the need for more beef.

In my life time, we have increased the population of the world from less than 2 billion people to more than 7 billion.
Think of that! It took us a great chunk of the Earth's history for us to count more that a billion. Then less that a mans life to expand to 6 billion more. Takes a lot of beef to get that done.
 
MarAzul said:
It made me laugh pretty good when Booker went on about how we need to eat less meat. Eating meat is not sustainable! WTF?
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Farming thrives as a small operation...it's the giant corporate operations that are ruining the culture. I buy local meat from small farmers here...the beef industry globally is a topic that could have it's own thread...but to this OP it is part of the problem and we're currently mismanaging it pretty much across the board.
 
MarAzul said:
I see. Well that is one way to see it.
I see it as the market expanding, creating the need for more beef.

In my life time, we have increased the population of the world from less than 2 billion people to more than 7 billion.
Think of that! It took us a great chunk of the Earth's history for us to count more that a billion. Then less that a mans life to expand to 6 billion more. Takes a lot of beef to get that done.
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You can produce enough meat ….it's how you produce it that is the difference maker..and more small farms will be profitable if they don't get shoved aside by corporate practices. Meat factories or Chicken factories....horrible conditions. The planet doesn't lack meat....it lacks balance.
 
riverman said:
Farming thrives as a small operation...it's the giant corporate operations that are ruining the culture. I buy local meat from small farmers here...the beef industry globally is a topic that could have it's own thread...but to this OP it is part of the problem and we're currently mismanaging it pretty much across the board.
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Well hell man! We have so many hungary mouths to feed you know. We ran out of Wooly Mammoths way back when we were few. Now we count in the Billions. So many that Booker thinks we need to give up meat.
I think he means you and me though.
 
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riverman said:
You can produce enough meat ….it's how you produce it that is the difference maker..and more small farms will be profitable if they don't get shoved aside by corporate practices. Meat factories or Chicken factories....horrible conditions. The planet doesn't lack meat....it lacks balance.
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Yeah, when I was a rancher/Farmer, it sure did piss me off when the big grazing rights holders came with thousands to dump on the market. Wiped out the value of my 20 for sale in one day.
Do you know who was the biggest grazing right holder on BLM land in this State then? PPL! Yeah the power company. Not my way to run a country.
 
MarAzul said:
Well hell man! We have so many hungary mouths to feed you know. We ran out of Wooly Mammoths way back when we were few. Now we count in the Billions. So many that Booker thinks we need to give up meat.
I think he means you and me though.
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Shouldn't have slaughtered the Bison that was the food chain here...those original tribes knew how to manage a herd. They are making a small comeback ...other wild game suffers as well...and I'm not talking about sea lions...those need to be culled.
 
MarAzul said:
Yeah, when I was a rancher/Farmer, it sure did piss me off when the big grazing rights holders came with thousands to dump on the market. Wiped out the value of my 20 for sale in one day.
Do you know who was the biggest grazing right holder on BLM land in this State then? PPL! Yeah the power company. Not my way to run a country.
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I think that problem gets solved pretty quickly:

"At a laboratory near Tel Aviv, Aleph Farms is growing steak from the stem cells of cows. The CBS News crew reporting the story had to sign a waiver just to try it.

"We can produce meat more efficiently in a way which is more ethical, more sustainable and healthier," Aleph Farms CEO Didier Toubia said."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/labs-are-creating-meat-from-stem-cells/
 
e_blazer said:
I think that problem gets solved pretty quickly:

"At a laboratory near Tel Aviv, Aleph Farms is growing steak from the stem cells of cows. The CBS News crew reporting the story had to sign a waiver just to try it.

"We can produce meat more efficiently in a way which is more ethical, more sustainable and healthier," Aleph Farms CEO Didier Toubia said."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/labs-are-creating-meat-from-stem-cells/
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A huge breakthrough in agriculture is the vertical farming used in the deserts now...food towers..no need for thousands of acres of spinach...some pretty incredible stuff.
vertical garden 1.jpg vertical garden 2.jpg
 
e_blazer said:
I think that problem gets solved pretty quickly:

"At a laboratory near Tel Aviv, Aleph Farms is growing steak from the stem cells of cows. The CBS News crew reporting the story had to sign a waiver just to try it.

"We can produce meat more efficiently in a way which is more ethical, more sustainable and healthier," Aleph Farms CEO Didier Toubia said."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/labs-are-creating-meat-from-stem-cells/
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Well, this maybe a good thing, I don't know.

But when I had a small ranch/farm, I farmed close to 200 acres, that is crop production, ran a few cows on about 150 that had little use otherwise if I did not run a few cows on it. Then I had about 100 acres of woodland or forest that also supported the cows and not much other use.

So when I read a statement like this one;
"Environmentalists say we should be eating less meat. According to the United Nations, farming animals is one of the most dangerous sources of greenhouse gases and water pollution."

I see people making declarations about what I don't think they really have a clue about what the hell their are taking about. But they would love to interrupt the perfectly ethical business on some small farmer. What the fuck is the benefit of take the 250 acres I used to raise cows, out of production for the small farmer that currently owns it?

So what is their bitch about the green house gases? I think this is bullshit! The water pollution it stupid! It did not occur. But some do and that should be curtailed, as should the PPL's of the world running stock on the BLM lands including fucking up the creeks.

I basically object to the grazing on public land as unfair. The grazing fees are smaller than the private land owner farmer pays in yearly property tax to run a few on his scrub land. Then these giant holders come flood the markets with their herds. Not right! I remember one month PPL dumping 50, 000 head on the markets in La Grande, Baker, and Pendelton. Shit! that was a bad year. I hate to see the stream in the woodland full of muck and shit from big herd turned loose into the BLM or USDA forest.
Not good!

@MARIS61 may come kick my ass here though.
 
riverman said:
Farming thrives as a small operation...it's the giant corporate operations that are ruining the culture. I buy local meat from small farmers here...the beef industry globally is a topic that could have it's own thread...but to this OP it is part of the problem and we're currently mismanaging it pretty much across the board.
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Nonsense. Small farms and small ranches are extremely inefficient and account for far more pollution and waste per meal provided than any corporate food entity.

The number of small farms and ranches needed to provide the same amount of food were corporations to be banned would greatly accelerate the amount of methane being let loose in our atmosphere.
 
Estimates range frome 30 million to 60 million bison were in the US territory at times gone now. Where as today the estimate for Cattle is 93 million cattle currently.

So why the sweat about the cattle now by the green gang? Dang! We have nearly four times as many people.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Salinity effects ocean currents. It's decreased salinity caused by glacier melting that can stop the North Atlantic Conveyor Belt.

So yes, human action can effect this engine.
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By building a moon-sized salt shaker that orbits above our poles?

The Earth prunes back any species that runs rampant in overpopulating their habitat. Simple fact of nature.

Humans cannot avoid this truth by denying it or by some brainy manmade solution.

Whatever 8 billion humans do, the Earth will use against us, as our numbers are the threat, not what we leave in our wake.

A man-caused slowing of climate change will result in a higher rate of famine, drought, disease, earthquakes, eruptions...

Either we REDUCE our POPULATION drastically, or the Earth will do it for us.

The Climate Change Hoax is just a diversion from the only actual threat to mankind's existence. Overpopulation.
 
MarAzul said:
Estimates range frome 30 million to 60 million bison were in the US territory at times gone now. Where as today the estimate for Cattle is 93 million cattle currently.

So why the sweat about the cattle now by the green gang? Dang! We have nearly four times as many people.
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Bison farts are bigger and fouler than cow farts.
 
How will reducing the cattle change the flow of big heat river flowing into the Arctic from the Atlantic?

The scientist have a term here, Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC).
They study the hell out of it. I seems they sort of blame it for melting the Arctic. But heck, it is a hell of big reason we are able to live in a great deal of the Northern hemisphere.

I can't understand how more or less cattle change the course of the engine that drives this heat pump.

After thinking about it just a few days, it seem down right logical to me what is going on. The rotating earth is just like a big pump, centrifugal pump. Flows are not really much considering the scale of the size but enough. It cycles, When the Geoid fills in the North, it toggles and we reduce the water in the sea, put it on land. I don't know what toggles the other side, but I bet we could figure it out. I doubt it has to do with Cattle or Bison's though.
 
MarAzul said:
Not sure, what it is you disagree with. Geoid not being full? That we did indeed have climate change?
Can you clarify?
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I think the main area of disagreement would be the significance of human activity on the relatively rapid warming of the atmosphere since the dawn of the Industrial Age. Your initial post in this thread talked about the fact that climate is always changing and that it always will. Of course that is true, but this changes occur relatively slowly absent an unusual event like an asteroid hitting the planet or a major volcanic eruption spewing large amounts of ash into the atmosphere. The climate change that we’re concerned about is the relatively fast warming due to increased CO2 and other greenhouse gasses as a result of human activity. I understood your position to be that you don’t agree that’s much of a problem.
 
Carol Roth: Stop scaring our kids – the world is NOT about to end and we are NOT all about to die

By Carol Roth | Fox News

Children today should be enjoying their youth. They arguably live in the greatest time ever, with unparalleled access to information, connectivity around the globe, advances in health care and tremendous opportunity. But instead of embracing optimism, the adults in their lives are filling them with fear.

In the last few weeks, from town halls on climate change to “climate justice” marches, I have seen scores of children – some teens, some squarely of elementary school-age – proclaim their anxiety about the world ending.

Depending on the source, children are being told that if we don’t act right now to solve one particular “crisis” or another, we will all be dead in anywhere from 18 months to 12 years. That’s not a message of hope and optimism that kids should be embracing.

While it is great for children to learn to be responsible global citizens and take care of our planet, there’s a positive and responsible way to communicate that.

I recall in my own childhood celebrating Earth Day, where we raised money to help plant more trees (something that actually helps the environment, by the way) and learned about recycling, all without having the living daylights scared out of us.

Adults can deliver the message of taking care of the planet and have an impact doing so with positive language and outcomes instead of nihilistic ones.

While I am not a psychologist (and I don’t play one on TV, either), I do believe that for kids, who are developing mentally, having this fear communicated to them during this critical time of their lives is abusive. Worse, it is done by parents, schools, the media and politicians alike. Everyone needs to immediately get a grip.

I remember when adults acted like adults instead of fear-mongers. Back in the 80s, when network television ran the nuclear war movie “The Day After,” there were warnings that it wasn’t appropriate for children and our parents wouldn’t let us watch it.

Now, the adults who are supposed to be shielding kids from unlikely doomsday scenarios are forcing those beliefs upon them and using the kids as political pawns.

It’s not just the climate change fear. I am not the first one to note that school shooter drills are also an unnecessary form of fear theater that does far more harm than good.

While any school shooting is one too many and more needs to be done to ensure school safety, planting the security threat in kids’ heads with practice drills surely creates needless trauma with no evidence of better outcomes.

Negativity is all around us, from mainstream media to social media. It’s not healthy for us to be constantly consuming a negative information diet, particularly when the general outlook for life is so robust. We need more gratitude towards the abundance, opportunities and advancements that surround us.

As an adult, if you want to mire yourself in pessimism, that’s your choice. But please, leave the kids out of it.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/car...-about-to-end-and-we-are-not-all-about-to-die
 
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