Clippers vs. Blazers Game Thread

[Crimson the Cat]

Pretty cool! Thanks for the information, Crimson. So Portland could get Sessions...only Atlanta could prevent it.

I think there are going to be other teams under the cap. I don't remember which. However I remember reading through the short list and only Atlanta could offer a) a starting position, b) a quality team, and c) more money than Milwaukee.

This really only works for us though if we can get enough under the salary cap to gain the upper hand over Milwaukee. We'll have to face the fact that being under the cap by only $6M isn't going to likely get it done.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

That's is good info. I think maybe if we really wanted Sessions we might need to offer the 10.2 for the 3rd year if we want Milw and/or Atl not to match or offer more.

Milwaukee can not offer $10.2M. The most they could offer in the third year is between $6.3M and $6.5M depending on what the average salary is (mid-level exception).

 

[The Professional Fan]

Just got back from the game....

Did you guys notice Blake had a HUGE game?! Wow! Was I the only person that saw that?



Nice win, though. We have to take care of the shitty teams, and that's what we did. Very happy.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Got back from the game, and it was a nice solid win. Good to see us just blow out the Clips early.
Probably as enjoyable as that first quarter was trying to see Shavlik and Ruffin get aggressive, while Brandon, LaMarcus and Blake were busting up laughing on the bench whenever those two messed up.

The Clips have basically given up on the season, too bad we have a loss to them in our belt.. argh.

Yeah, well, I was at that game as well, and we had just come off the most difficult opening to a season in NBA history. We were dog tired during that game. That's all. They've been our bitches in the last two, one being down there. No worries.

 

[Jayps15]

Milwaukee can not offer $10.2M. The most they could offer in the third year is between $6.3M and $6.5M depending on what the average salary is (mid-level exception).

Milwaukee can only offer that much in the 3rd year, but that doesn't mean they can match an offer like ours (with the big 3rd year raise). With the MLE being the maximum we can offer in the 1st year, and Milwaukee just having to fit the 1st year of the contract into their cap, they can match any possible outside offer by using their full MLE.

Or at least that's how I read this part of Larry Coon's FAQ: For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $11.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the five seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary. The player's original team is allowed to use any available exception (e.g., the Mid-Level or the Early-Bird) to match the offer.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Atlanta first has to deal with Marvin Williams. They have committed to $40.8M before factoring in Williams. They won't renounce him, so they'll either have to add a) $7.3M one-year tender, b) between $4M to $10M in starting salary if a new contract is negotiated, or c) a cap hold of $21.9M until they figure out what they want to do.

Seeing how the negotiations went last year with Childress, Atlanta is probably going to fuck this up.

I really see Portland as the best scenario. We have our own issues (Frye, possibly two more first rounders, three second rounders, whether to bring our Euros over, and team options for Blake/Outlaw), but I have a lot more faith in our management team than theirs.

 

[Minstrel]

Milwaukee can only offer that much in the 3rd year, but that doesn't mean they can match an offer like ours (with the big 3rd year raise). With the MLE being the maximum we can offer in the 1st year, and Milwaukee just having to fit the 1st year of the contract into their cap, they can match any possible outside offer by using their full MLE.

Or at least that's how I read this part of Larry Coon's FAQ: For the team making this offer, this contract would count for $11.0 million (i.e., the average salary in the contract) of team salary in each of the five seasons if they sign the player. If the player's prior team matches the offer and keeps the player, then the actual salary in each season counts as team salary. The player's original team is allowed to use any available exception (e.g., the Mid-Level or the Early-Bird) to match the offer.

It sounds to me like they must match the average salary. IF they do that, after that their team salary is calculated using each season's salary, not the average.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Milwaukee can only offer that much in the 3rd year, but that doesn't mean they can match an offer like ours (with the big 3rd year raise). With the MLE being the maximum we can offer in the 1st year, and Milwaukee just having to fit the 1st year of the contract into their cap, they can match any possible outside offer by using their full MLE.

Right. That's what I'm saying, at least I believe.

Milwaukee's max amount offered is a long term deal of no more than five years starting at around $5.5 with annual raises of 8% - in summary - a max 5-year contract of $32M.

Portland could barely beat that if we even have just $6M in cap space. We could blow it out of the water if we simply renounce Channing Frye.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Goo win, now we need a 2-1 road trip!

 

[hasoos]

Congrats to Blake for his record setting quarter.

If anybody needs any more proof of Baron Davis being a quitter, then I don't know what would satisfy their needs.

Besides being a good game against a bad team, it still can help build confidence. 2 games in a row with both Roy and Aldridge bringing the wood, hopefully it will establish a pattern for out on the road. I am looking forward to competition against western conference playoff level competition to see where they Blazers are at.

 

[Blazer Freak]

Wow the Clippers should be disgusted in themselves after a performance like that. They mailed it in after the 1st, and usually the games are still entertaining but jeez they didn't even try anymore.

 

[Minstrel]

I was amused by a report that the Clippers were trying to pawn off Baron Davis at the trade deadline and absolutely no one was interested. Now I see why...the guy is at the start of a long-term, big-money contract and is already phoning it in.

Just a couple of years ago, people were talking about the resurgence of Baron. Pretty short return.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Wow the Clippers should be disgusted in themselves after a performance like that. They mailed it in after the 1st, and usually the games are still entertaining but jeez they didn't even try anymore.

jumping into the end of this thread . . . when i heard the announcer calling the starting line up for the Clips, I turned to the person next to me and said there is no way we lose this game. That starting line up was a joke . . . I don't blmae the players as much as who the franchise put out there to compete.

 

[mook]

I was amused by a report that the Clippers were trying to pawn off Baron Davis at the trade deadline and absolutely no one was interested. Now I see why...the guy is at the start of a long-term, big-money contract and is already phoning it in.

Just a couple of years ago, people were talking about the resurgence of Baron. Pretty short return.

Davis seems a lot like Vince Carter--the exact wrong kind of star to have if your team has little hope, but pretty damned good if you are in a competitive situation.

That's why I'm in the minority about Kevin Garnett. I'll always respect him for all the years he gave maximum effort to a Timberwolves franchise that seemed determined to avoid adding additional talent. Is he an arrogant prick? Yes. But he's not a quitter.

 

[STOMP]

jumping into the end of this thread . . . when i heard the announcer calling the starting line up for the Clips, I turned to the person next to me and said there is no way we lose this game. That starting line up was a joke . . . I don't blmae the players as much as who the franchise put out there to compete.

it's the franchises fault that their players suffered injuries or are missing games because of a suspension? If Portland was missing their top 3 Bigs plus their starting SF, they'd probably suck too. Heck Sean Livingston should be a starter for them as well. Sure they stink, but bad luck has had much to do with why.

STOMP

 

[Sheldon Shape]

it's the franchises fault that their players suffered injuries or are missing games because of a suspension? If Portland was missing their top 3 Bigs plus their starting SF, they'd probably suck too. Heck Sean Livingston should be a starter for them as well. Sure they stink, but bad luck has had much to do with why.

STOMP

I've always maintained that their trainers have to be some of the worst in sports. Look at how many of their key players have been injured throughout the last decade. It's astonishing to see how every year they have the most significant of players injured.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

it's the franchises fault that their players suffered injuries or are missing games because of a suspension? If Portland was missing their top 3 Bigs plus their starting SF, they'd probably suck too. Heck Sean Livingston should be a starter for them as well. Sure they stink, but bad luck has had much to do with why.

STOMP

Man stomp . . . OK maybe I didn't phrase that well. I guess it's not the franchise's fault, my point was that it wasn't so much the players mailing it in as much as it was the line up put out there for the reason the Blazers dominated. Maybe it is the franchise's fault for having such a terrible second unit , but sure, bad luck seems like the more appropriate phrase.