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B-Roy said:
Like I said before, some team would be willing to take Arenas if they wanted to dump him. They aren't going to need to add Butler to entice another team. :rolleyes:
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True . . . but the knicks don't have the cap space.
 
it's_GO_time said:
True . . . but the knicks don't have the cap space.
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Whatever. Regardless of his contract, players like Arenas don't grow on trees. Some contender hopeful will take him knowing the risk and the contract.
 
I'm not sure why everyone is focusing on Arenas? Butler is the interesting proposition.
 
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B-Roy said:
A straight up dump is for expirings, so, if they wanted to dump him, they can.
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no team in the league would take his contract right now unless they were dumping bad contracts themselves.
 
didnt i say this a week ago? its the wiz and the target is butler
 
Hmm.... I'd do it. Would Washington do it? I don't know. You get Butler, which would be HUGE, and you get Arenas (who might come back, you never know).

crowTrobot said:
nope. would be risking the entire future of the franchise and everything we've built for over the last 3 years.
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Please explain your thinking behind this statement.
 
crowTrobot said:
no team in the league would take his contract right now unless they were dumping bad contracts themselves.
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Says who? Teams in this league are risk takers. If theres a deal in place that will help you win a championship, you do it. When the Nuggets took Billups, they knew they were sacrificing their long term financial opportunities. They still made the deal because they believed it would make them better.

Arenas is still one of the best scoring guards in the league. A team close to contender status will take a chance on him if Washington doesn't want him any more.
 
The downfall started when Jamison got hurt, then Butler, then Arenas, ruining the second half of the 2006-07 season. Butler missed 24 more games due to various injuries last season, but the big blow came when Arenas went down with a knee injury that has required three surgeries in 18 months. He and Haywood (torn wrist ligament) have yet to play this season and are nowhere close to returning.


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Actually, it’s the $161 million question.

Wizards president of basketball operations Ernie Grunfeld was so sure of the plan that he bet the future of the franchise on it when he signed Arenas to a six-year, $111 million contract and Jamison to a four-year, $50 million deal during the offseason. Grunfeld has attempted to downplay Arenas’ absence by citing the six-year commitment, yet this lost season means that 17 percent of that commitment has already gone to waste


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y....hPKB4?slug=ap-worstwizards&prov=ap&type=lgns


The wiz looked like a promising team headed in the right direction with the right group of players . . . but now they seem very far away from where they were. Jamison did say he would rather have a healthy Arenas then a major trade.
 
B-Roy said:
Says who? Teams in this league are risk takers. If theres a deal in place that will help you win a championship, you do it. When the Nuggets took Billups, they knew they were sacrificing their long term financial opportunities. They still made the deal because they believed it would make them better.

Arenas is still one of the best scoring guards in the league. A team close to contender status will take a chance on him if Washington doesn't want him any more.
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Again you are talking about a very limited number of teams that would do it. And Washington only has about two weeks to find one. Bottom line to me is that the proposal is legitimate.
 
now make it sergio instead of bayless.....and we have a deal
 
Arenas and Roy in the backcourt would be an interesting pairup. Let's say, hypothetically, that Arenas is able to come back.

Arenas/Blake/Sergio
Roy/Rudy
Butler/Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Przybilla

That's pretty impressive. We would be one hell of an offensive team, assuming Butler and Arenas were able to buy into the team concept. Arenas JUST turned 27. That's not exactly old. He fits our window, assuming he's healthy.

Of course, this entire theory rests on one major point..... that Jason Quick, Brian Wheeler, Mike Rice, and Mike Barrett have any inside information. :dunno:
 
I think Lebron James would look great in a Wiz uni. I hope the wiz are figuring something out so they can offer the max to James when the time comes. :D
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Again you are talking about a very limited number of teams that would do it. And Washington only has about two weeks to find one. Bottom line to me is that the proposal is legitimate.
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If only the Portland offer is on the table, they would decline, and wait to dump him later. (Assuming they want to dump him) That's my opinion. You don't give two stars away for nothing. Ever.
 
B-Roy said:
If only the Portland offer is on the table, they would decline, and wait to dump him later. (Assuming they want to dump him) That's my opinion. You don't give two stars away for nothing. Ever.
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Butler is a star, but you're assuming that Arenas is still a star. We don't know, given his history of injuries, whether he'll be able to come back and play at that same level. So the Wizards are sitting on a guy who is being paid 111 million (give or take), with no indication whether he'll ever be able to play again period.
 
Stevenson said:
Why would the Wizards trade two all-stars for a couple of role players and some cap relief?
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Because Abe Pollin is their owner.

Mr. Pollin is an extremely nice man, but is the cheapest guy this side of Donald Sterling.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Butler is a star, but you're assuming that Arenas is still a star. We don't know, given his history of injuries, whether he'll be able to come back and play at that same level. So the Wizards are sitting on a guy who is being paid 111 million (give or take), with no indication whether he'll ever be able to play again period.
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No we don't, but you're assuming the very worst. The Wizards know Arenas the best, and if they have any indications that he won't be a useful player anymore, then they'll want to dump him. At this point, we don't know that, so I'm going to assume that he's going to come back as the same player he was before.

Even if they trade Arenas before the deadline, they are still going to have to pay his salary more or less for this season because they also have to take back a chunk of salary. So it's much more beneficial if they just wait till the off-season to make a decision.
 
My money is still on the Bulls if we trade with anyone.
 
maxiep said:
Because Abe Pollin is their owner.

Mr. Pollin is an extremely nice man, but is the cheapest guy this side of Donald Sterling.
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Why did this "cheap" owner sign Arenas to his gargantuan contract?
 
Arenas is a non-starter, IMO. But suppose Portland took back some contracts Washington might appreciate dumping. They don't have any huge contracts, really, beyond their big three, but Deshawn Stevenson and Darius Songaila have multi-year deals that combined would clear $8-9 million per year, for largely unproductive players.

Perhaps something along the lines of this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...8~851&teams=27~27~27~27~22~22~22~22&te=&cash=

It gives them a good player in Outlaw, a decent young player with upside in Webster and saves them a lot of money.

Pipe dream, perhaps, to get Butler without giving up a core player, but it depends on how much Washington wants some monetary relief after committing so much to Arenas and Jamison.
 
I don't care what anybody says there is no owner in the NBA that would take a chance on Arenas with that contract unless they see him play and he was healthy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yes, and you so coyly replaced Jerryd Bayless with Sergio in the process, but I think the Wiz would want Bayless in this trade, not Frylock and Meatwad.
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They still decline easily.
 
B-Roy said:
No we don't, but you're assuming the very worst. The Wizards know Arenas the best, and if they have any indications that he won't be a useful player anymore, then they'll want to dump him. At this point, we don't know that, so I'm going to assume that he's going to come back as the same player he was before.

Even if they trade Arenas before the deadline, they are still going to have to pay his salary more or less for this season because they also have to take back a chunk of salary. So it's much more beneficial if they just wait till the off-season to make a decision.
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And you are the only person making assumptions in this thread about Arenas' ability to play. Dude, I think you're a good poster, but you make a point of trashing every trade proposal B-Roy. :sigh:
 
We already have our 'big three' and arguably the best crop of young talent in the league. No way we need to make a move like this and cripple ourselves for five years. I hate this time of year.

Yeah, let's turn Raefs expiring contract into Gilbert f'ing Arenas... Brilliant!

:drumroll:
 
Nikolokolus said:
Gilbert's contract arguably is the worst in the NBA right now. too many years, too many dollars, too many knee injuries in the past two years.

Talk about picking up an albatross.
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Maybe his knees would force him to retire? (running away quickly)
 
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