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Bob Woodward criticizes CNN's Acosta lawsuit, says media's 'emotionally unhinged' about Trump

By Gregg Re | Fox News

Kurtz: Why president and Acosta both benefit from legal clash
'MediaBuzz' host Howard Kurtz weighs in on why CNN's lawsuit against Trump is more about a PR battle than the law.

Bob Woodward, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Watergate journalist whose recent book, "Fear," described chaotic infighting at the White House, on Tuesday criticized CNN for filing a lawsuit against the Trump administration and charged that too many media figures "have become emotionally unhinged."

Speaking at the Global Financial Leadership Conference in Naples, Florida, Woodward said "the remedy [isn’t suing the administration]. ... It’s more serious reporting about what he’s doing.”

CNN filed a federal lawsuit against the Trump administration on Tuesday demanding that the White House restore the press credential of star reporter Jim Acosta. The administration suspended Acosta's "hard pass," which provided expedited access to the White House grounds, after he repeatedly refused to surrender his microphone while asking Trump a barrage of questions during a press conference last week.

“In the news media there has been an emotional reaction to Trump,” Woodward said. “Too many people for Trump or against Trump have become emotionally unhinged about this.”

Woodward added that CNN was taking Trump's "bait" by enlisting high-profile lawyer Ted Olson to pursue a federal case. "This is a negative," Woodward said, in comments first flagged by NBC reporter Dylan Byers. "Trump is sitting around saying, ‘This is great.'”

That sentiment was echoed in a piece in Rolling Stone on Tuesday by Ryan Bort titled, "CNN Has Played Right Into Trump's Hands."

"Too many people for Trump or against Trump have become emotionally unhinged."

— Journalist Bob Woodward

CNN's suit alleges that the White House violated Acosta's First and Fifth Amendment rights by punishing him for the content of his speech without providing notice or any due process, although the White House maintains that Acosta was penalized solely because of his behavior.

None of CNN's approximately 50 other "hard pass" holders has lost White House access, nor have reporters belonging to any other liberal-leaning media outlet -- although Trump has suggested that may change.

At the testy press conference the day after last week's midterm elections, Acosta continued to shout questions at Trump even after he tried to move on to another reporter, and he refused to hand the microphone to an intern who tried to retrieve it.

The litigation, which does not fully describe Acosta's actions during the press conference, also asserts that the Secret Service violated the Administrative Procedures Act by taking a final agency action in penalizing Acosta without providing any notice or hearing.

The suit, in arguing that the White House was lying about its motivations for taking action against Acosta, additionally claims that White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders shared a "doctored" clip of the episode on Twitter. In the low-resolution .gif clip shared by Sanders, Acosta's arm moves slightly faster than it does in higher-quality footage of the press conference.

However, despite reporting from a wide variety of outlets that Sanders had shared a doctored clip, a Buzzfeed analysis suggested the changes in the video could have resulted inadvertently from the conversion of the footage to the lower-fidelity .GIF format, which is commonly used on Twitter. The format produces fewer frames per second than a higher-quality video source, making scenes appear to move faster.

White House officials, including Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, have acknowledged that the video was indeed "sped up" during the conversion process, while consistently denying that the clip was purposefully doctored.

The lawsuit states that Sanders used a bogus justification by claiming that Acosta had "placed his hands on a young woman just trying to do her job as White House intern."

In responding to CNN's suit, Sanders on Tuesday said that Acosta's behavior had "impeded the ability of the President, the White House staff, and members of the media to conduct business.”

"After Mr. Acosta asked the President two questions—each of which the President answered—he physically refused to surrender a White House microphone to an intern, so that other reporters might ask their questions," Sanders said in statement.

"This was not the first time this reporter has inappropriately refused to yield to other reporters," she continued. "The White House cannot run an orderly and fair press conference when a reporter acts this way, which is neither appropriate nor professional. The First Amendment is not served when a single reporter, of more than 150 present, attempts to monopolize the floor."
The first thing I thought of when they said it was doctored was watching TrueBlazerFan highlights.

The video is choppy as fuck on youtube for me and other highlights aren't.

Then in CNN's own story they lie like a motherfucker about it......https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/media/cnn-sues-trump/index.html

In reality, Acosta held onto the mic, said "pardon me, ma'am," asked a followup question, then gave up the mic.

The above is from the cnn article.

Lying motherfuckers.

I certainly laughed at people that said he assaulted the intern. He did not assault her. Still, CNN caught lying again.
 
It's not about refusing to answer his questions and cutting him off, it's about revoking his press credentials. That's where it becomes a First Amendment issue.

BNM
There's probably legal precedent that says I'm wrong, but my thought on this would be that as long as the government isn't preventing CNN from saying what they want to say, isn't threatening any kind of legal repercussion for their reporting, they shouldn't be under any obligation to provide them--or specifically any one reporter in particular--any specific access.

Or to put it another way...in my mind, "Freedom of the press" doesn't mean that the White House has to make information available to CNN, or any other media company. Press conference attendance is not a civil right.
 
Acosta never shuts the fuck up, never lets other journalists have their turn, he tramples all over their 1st Amendment rights, and ours.

He's a national embarrassment, and he's proof that CNN us Fake News.

I thought you were talking about Trump until you said cnn.
 
You guys are just making shit up as you go. If you wrote "Santa Claus drives a 1964 Camaro SVT"....NOPE is a perfect rebuttal.

I mean, I didn't make it up. It's literally happening in the world right now. Not my fault some people choose to be blind to the obvious.
 
Bob Woodward criticizes CNN's Acosta lawsuit, says media's 'emotionally unhinged' about Trump

By Gregg Re | Fox News

Kurtz: Why president and Acosta both benefit from legal clash
'MediaBuzz' host Howard Kurtz weighs in on why CNN's lawsuit against Trump is more about a PR battle than the law.

Bob Woodward, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Watergate journalist whose recent book, "Fear," described chaotic infighting at the White House, on Tuesday criticized CNN for filing a lawsuit against the Trump administration and charged that too many media figures "have become emotionally unhinged."

Speaking at the Global Financial Leadership Conference in Naples, Florida, Woodward said "the remedy [isn’t suing the administration]. ... It’s more serious reporting about what he’s doing.”

CNN filed a federal lawsuit against the Trump administration on Tuesday demanding that the White House restore the press credential of star reporter Jim Acosta. The administration suspended Acosta's "hard pass," which provided expedited access to the White House grounds, after he repeatedly refused to surrender his microphone while asking Trump a barrage of questions during a press conference last week.

“In the news media there has been an emotional reaction to Trump,” Woodward said. “Too many people for Trump or against Trump have become emotionally unhinged about this.”

Woodward added that CNN was taking Trump's "bait" by enlisting high-profile lawyer Ted Olson to pursue a federal case. "This is a negative," Woodward said, in comments first flagged by NBC reporter Dylan Byers. "Trump is sitting around saying, ‘This is great.'”

That sentiment was echoed in a piece in Rolling Stone on Tuesday by Ryan Bort titled, "CNN Has Played Right Into Trump's Hands."

"Too many people for Trump or against Trump have become emotionally unhinged."

— Journalist Bob Woodward

CNN's suit alleges that the White House violated Acosta's First and Fifth Amendment rights by punishing him for the content of his speech without providing notice or any due process, although the White House maintains that Acosta was penalized solely because of his behavior.

None of CNN's approximately 50 other "hard pass" holders has lost White House access, nor have reporters belonging to any other liberal-leaning media outlet -- although Trump has suggested that may change.

At the testy press conference the day after last week's midterm elections, Acosta continued to shout questions at Trump even after he tried to move on to another reporter, and he refused to hand the microphone to an intern who tried to retrieve it.

The litigation, which does not fully describe Acosta's actions during the press conference, also asserts that the Secret Service violated the Administrative Procedures Act by taking a final agency action in penalizing Acosta without providing any notice or hearing.

The suit, in arguing that the White House was lying about its motivations for taking action against Acosta, additionally claims that White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders shared a "doctored" clip of the episode on Twitter. In the low-resolution .gif clip shared by Sanders, Acosta's arm moves slightly faster than it does in higher-quality footage of the press conference.

However, despite reporting from a wide variety of outlets that Sanders had shared a doctored clip, a Buzzfeed analysis suggested the changes in the video could have resulted inadvertently from the conversion of the footage to the lower-fidelity .GIF format, which is commonly used on Twitter. The format produces fewer frames per second than a higher-quality video source, making scenes appear to move faster.

White House officials, including Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway, have acknowledged that the video was indeed "sped up" during the conversion process, while consistently denying that the clip was purposefully doctored.

The lawsuit states that Sanders used a bogus justification by claiming that Acosta had "placed his hands on a young woman just trying to do her job as White House intern."

In responding to CNN's suit, Sanders on Tuesday said that Acosta's behavior had "impeded the ability of the President, the White House staff, and members of the media to conduct business.”

"After Mr. Acosta asked the President two questions—each of which the President answered—he physically refused to surrender a White House microphone to an intern, so that other reporters might ask their questions," Sanders said in statement.

"This was not the first time this reporter has inappropriately refused to yield to other reporters," she continued. "The White House cannot run an orderly and fair press conference when a reporter acts this way, which is neither appropriate nor professional. The First Amendment is not served when a single reporter, of more than 150 present, attempts to monopolize the floor."
Here's what Bob Woodward thinks about Trump -
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/04/us/politics/trump-woodward-book-fear.html
 
Or to put it another way...in my mind, "Freedom of the press" doesn't mean that the White House has to make information available to CNN, or any other media company. Press conference attendance is not a civil right.

What the government - be it the White House or City Hall - cannot do is censor based on whether they like the content or not. That tramples over the 1st Amendment, which people like @MARIS61 claim to love, but in fact don't.

Trump is the most unAmerican president ever.
 
What the government - be it the White House or City Hall - cannot do is censor based on whether they like the content or not. That tramples over the 1st Amendment, which people like @MARIS61 claim to love, but in fact don't.

Trump is the most unAmerican president ever.
Sure--but does denying a press pass to a particular journalist equate to censorship? And is there any evidence that they dislike CNN's content any more than they dislike MSNBC's, or ABC's, or any of the other organizations Trump calls "fake news"?
 
Sure--but does denying a press pass to a particular journalist equate to censorship? And is there any evidence that they dislike CNN's content any more than they dislike MSNBC's, or ABC's, or any of the other organizations Trump calls "fake news"?

Well, yes... Trump yells about CNN far more than any other organization.

barfo
 
I repeat 5TH Amendment.

Who gets to write the process by which these passes are given?

If Trump does I have an idea...

Reporters get to ask question in alphabetical order by last name starting with z and working backwards.

Oh and LOL at Jim Acosta suffering "irreparable harm"
 
I think I stand corrected (for now) -

"U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly repeatedly emphasized that his decision to return Acosta's press pass as litigation continues was based on the Fifth Amendment, under which the judge ruled Acosta was denied his right to due process. Due process would give Acosta and CNN the chance to rebut and challenge the appropriateness of the government’s action."
 
I think I stand corrected (for now) -

"U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly repeatedly emphasized that his decision to return Acosta's press pass as litigation continues was based on the Fifth Amendment, under which the judge ruled Acosta was denied his right to due process. Due process would give Acosta and CNN the chance to rebut and challenge the appropriateness of the government’s action."
What you're saying but having a hard time really saying is that bodyman is right.

Is the Reflector still in circulation?

One of you guys go get a job there and demand a white house press pass.

FIRST AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!

I know you all hate Trump more than anything but get a grip people. The left sure loves the First Amendment when YouTube bans Alex Jones. Let's just try and be consistent ok?
 
I repeat 5TH Amendment.

Who gets to write the process by which these passes are given?

If Trump does I have an idea...

Reporters get to ask question in alphabetical order by last name starting with z and working backwards.

Oh and LOL at Jim Acosta suffering "irreparable harm"

It's still a First Amendment case. The lawsuit alleges the Whitehouse violated CNN's and Acosta's First and Fifth Amendment rights. Judge Kelly ruled that Acosta's Fifth Amendment rights had been violated and ordered his hard pass be returned until the court could further rule on the First Amendment violation.

BNM
 
One of you guys go get a job there and demand a white house press pass.

FIRST AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!

I know you all hate Trump more than anything but get a grip people. The left sure loves the First Amendment when YouTube bans Alex Jones. Let's just try and be consistent ok?

I'm not sure if you understand what the 1st Amendment is and the differeence between government and a corporation.
 
Sure--but does denying a press pass to a particular journalist equate to censorship? And is there any evidence that they dislike CNN's content any more than they dislike MSNBC's, or ABC's, or any of the other organizations Trump calls "fake news"?
Sure there is
 
I'm not sure if you understand what the 1st Amendment is and the differeence between government and a corporation.
I'm 100 percent sure what the difference is. YouTube has every right to ban Alex Jones.

Nobody is stopping Jim Acosta and CNN from reporting anything.

I'm not sure why you guys don't understand the difference. A reporter for a video game magazine doesn't have a right to access the White House.

Apparently there are some rules that have been written about how these passes are handled. Can't seem to find any reports on how they came to pass, if they are federal law or White House rules written by them.

The judge says they didn't follow those rules. Rules can be changed.
 
It's still a First Amendment case. The lawsuit alleges the Whitehouse violated CNN's and Acosta's First and Fifth Amendment rights. Judge Kelly ruled that Acosta's Fifth Amendment rights had been violated and ordered his hard pass be returned until the court could further rule on the First Amendment violation.

BNM
They will lose the First Amendment case just like Alex Jones would. People sue all the time doesn't mean they'll win.

Boy old Jim Acosta should pay his bills late and challenge late fees under the First Amendment.
 
One more question for y'all.

There are rules for taking press passes away from people at the White House. The judge said they weren't followed.

Soooooooooooo.....

If you're going to interpret the First Amendment as the absolute right of freedom of the press shouldn't THOSE rules be unconstitutional?
 
They will lose the First Amendment case just like Alex Jones would. People sue all the time doesn't mean they'll win.

Boy old Jim Acosta should pay his bills late and challenge late fees under the First Amendment.

Two strawmen in one short post. At least you're efficient.

Acosta already won. He gets his hard pass back immediately. The First Amendment case will only serve to set a precedent, one way or the other.

Yes, people sue all the time. Doesn't mean he'll lose. In fact, it's totally irrelevant. Each case is different.

BNM
 
One more question for y'all.

There are rules for taking press passes away from people at the White House. The judge said they weren't followed.

Soooooooooooo.....

If you're going to interpret the First Amendment as the absolute right of freedom of the press shouldn't THOSE rules be unconstitutional?

Another strawman. Who here is interpreting the First Amendment as the absolute right of freedom of the press? No one. We're not that stupid. We all know the First Amendment is not absolute. That was established with Schenck v. United States almost 100 years ago. No one in this thread has proposed overturning that landmark precedent. Stop making things up.

BNM
 
They will lose the First Amendment case just like Alex Jones would. People sue all the time doesn't mean they'll win.

Boy old Jim Acosta should pay his bills late and challenge late fees under the First Amendment.

Why not just have out-of-control thug cops shoot reporters at random - then you can ride 2 of your high horses at once.
 
Sure--but does denying a press pass to a particular journalist equate to censorship? And is there any evidence that they dislike CNN's content any more than they dislike MSNBC's, or ABC's, or any of the other organizations Trump calls "fake news"?

One just needs to be a passive viewer of some of the news to know that Trump's preferred target is CNN as he pretty much bad mouths the network at every rally or press conference and much more than any of the other networks.
 

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