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BonesJones said:
Why wouldn't Messina come here? He's been dying for the chance to coach an NBA team and we could offer him a decent amount of salary...
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One thing I would be concerned about a coach like him is that he seems to not stay very long and moves from job to job. We don't need a temporary coach that might want to bolt back to Europe either.
 
oldmangrouch said:
The Blazers have one of the league's highest payrolls. When was that ever true for Utah?

How would Stotts have done without PA's deep pockets?
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and it was just a few years ago that we had the lowest payroll and now have some large expiring contracts. It's not like we have been the highest for a period of time.
 
CupWizier said:
and it was just a few years ago that we had the lowest payroll and now have some large expiring contracts. It's not like we have been the highest for a period of time.
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I was responding to the comment that Sloan never won a title. He was a very good coach who worked for a comparatively fiscally conservative organization. Who knows what he could have done with an owner like PA, Cuban, or Buss who wasn't afraid to spend to win? Spending may not guarantee a title, but it sure doesn't hurt! :cheers:
 
CupWizier said:
One thing I would be concerned about a coach like him is that he seems to not stay very long and moves from job to job. We don't need a temporary coach that might want to bolt back to Europe either.
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Assistant for San Antoniobfor 5 years... I dont think he'd be a "flight risk" at all. Euro teams and assistant gigs dont indicate he'd be moving around as an NBA head coach, especially when he hasnt even had that opportunity.
 
BonesJones said:
Assistant for San Antoniobfor 5 years... I dont think he'd be a "flight risk" at all. Euro teams and assistant gigs dont indicate he'd be moving around as an NBA head coach, especially when he hasnt even had that opportunity.
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You are using one stop as an example. Bottom line, he has coached at many places throughout his career and is a foreigner. There have been coaches who like the challenge of new opportunities. You can't say for sure he won't be the same if he was to coach here and it is something that should be addressed.
 
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CupWizier said:
You are using one stop as an example. Bottom line, he has coached at many places throughout his career and is a foreigner. There have been coaches who like the challenge of new opportunities. You can't say for sure he won't be the same if he was to coach here and it is something that should be addressed.
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That one stop was an NBA stop compared to Euro stops.. He spent 8 years as an NBA assistant for only two teams. He hasn't bounced around the NBA.

You could say that last thing about any coach though. Him bouncing around Europe a bit is a non-factor to me. You give him a 5-year contract and the power to make executive decisions and I highly doubt he bounces on that. The only way he does is if he ends up being amazing for us, and in that case, it's still the right decision to hire him.
 
oldmangrouch said:
The Blazers have one of the league's highest payrolls. When was that ever true for Utah?

How would Stotts have done without PA's deep pockets?
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Shouldn't guys on bad contracts be an indictment on the GM not the coach?

How many players do the Blazers have that are non-rookie, team friendly deals?
 
Tince said:
Shouldn't guys on bad contracts be an indictment on the GM not the coach?

How many players do the Blazers have that are non-rookie, team friendly deals?
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Actually, this was an indictment of the "Sloan never won a title" argument.
 
BonesJones said:
Assistant for San Antoniobfor 5 years... I dont think he'd be a "flight risk" at all. Euro teams and assistant gigs dont indicate he'd be moving around as an NBA head coach, especially when he hasnt even had that opportunity.
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Beat me to it. 5 years sitting as an assistant waiting for Pop to retire.
 
Tince said:
Shouldn't guys on bad contracts be an indictment on the GM not the coach?
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you'd think, but finding accountability is bop-a-mole around here

if you criticize the GM, the GM supporters will say the coach isn't using the roster right

when you criticize the coach, the coaching supporters will say the GM hasn't done his job

if you criticize the bad contracts, the GM supporters will say that was Paul Allen

Bazemore is fair game though
 
wizenheimer said:
you'd think, but finding accountability is bop-a-mole around here

if you criticize the GM, the GM supporters will say the coach isn't using the roster right

when you criticize the coach, the coaching supporters will say the GM hasn't done his job

if you criticize the bad contracts, the GM supporters will say that was Paul Allen

Bazemore is fair game though
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Bazemore: Uniting Blazer fans since 2019!
 
BonesJones said:
That one stop was an NBA stop compared to Euro stops.. He spent 8 years as an NBA assistant for only two teams. He hasn't bounced around the NBA.

You could say that last thing about any coach though. Him bouncing around Europe a bit is a non-factor to me. You give him a 5-year contract and the power to make executive decisions and I highly doubt he bounces on that. The only way he does is if he ends up being amazing for us, and in that case, it's still the right decision to hire him.
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No way would I ever give a new coach the executive power to make player personnel decisions as they have enough work to do just to prepare and coach a team. It rarely works out well as Doc Rivers was relieved of that role a couple years ago and Stan Van Gundy struggled at Detroit trying to do both and they were experienced NBA coaches. If a new coach is hired next year I would want him to just concentrate on coaching.
 
CupWizier said:
but he's not at San Antonio anymore as he's coaching in the Italian league now.
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He was at San Antonio for 5 years. The league average for a coach whether it be head coach or assistant is 2-3 years. If you want to be exact it's 2.4 years.

My statement was in response to your statement.

CupWizier said:
One thing I would be concerned about a coach like him is that he seems to not stay very long and moves from job to job.
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He has a stint with Virtus Bolona that covered 7 years where he won the Euro League Championship twice.
He has a stint with CSKA Moscow where he stayed 5 years.
Then he stayed with the Spurs for another 5 years.
This is not a coach that just jumps ship for the next shiny job.
The reason he has had as many jobs as he has had is because he is good. Very very good.
 
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how many years left for terry??? 3 or 5??
 
kjironman1 said:
He was at San Antonio for 5 years. The league average for a coach weather it be head coach or assistant is 2-3 years. If you want to be exact it's 2.4 years.

My statement was in response to your statement.


He has a stint with Virtus Bolona that covered 7 years where he won the Euro League Championship twice.
He has a stint with CSKA Moscow where he stayed 5 years.
Then he stayed with the Spurs for another 5 years.
This is not a coach that just jumps ship for the next shiny job.
The reason he has had as many jobs as he has had is because he is good. Very very good.
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I never said I was opposed to hiring him possibly next off season if the team decides to go in a new direction, but I definitely don't like bonesy's idea of handing over player personnel decisions as well and that appears what he wants. I was merely pointing out that he has floated around to several teams which may or may not be a concern but at least it needs to be addressed. Also, why hasn't he ever been offered a head coaching job in the NBA? They may not be red flags but should be considered yellow flags.
 
CupWizier said:
I never said I was opposed to hiring him possibly next off season if the team decides to go in a new direction, but I definitely don't like bonesy's idea of handing over player personnel decisions as well and that appears what he wants. I was merely pointing out that he has floated around to several teams which may or may not be a concern but at least it needs to be addressed. Also, why hasn't he ever been offered a head coaching job in the NBA? They may not be red flags but should be considered yellow flags.
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Semieducated guess, his desire for Pops like control worries teams. That rarely works out. (though IIRC it is more common in Euro Leagur) For all we know, he has been offered jobs and turned them down because they wouldn't give him what he wanted. :dunno:
 
Off-the-wall question.

Is there someplace that has a list of all Blazer coaches, preferably with their W-L records? Thanks.
 
That list of coaches gives an interesting snapshot of how franchise priorities change.

In length of tenure, Stotts is 2nd to Dr Jack with 8 seasons. This is despite the fact that Adelman (6 seasons) and Dunleavy (4 seasons) both had clearly better records in both the regular season and the play-offs.

It's also interesting that Lenny Wilkens was only given 2 seasons when his teams were crippled by injuries (primarily Walton). Wilkens (one of the classiest guys in league history) is all but forgotten in Portland because he was followed as coach by Dr Jack.

For the benefit of younger posters, Wilkens is in the HOF as both a player and coach and after being fired in Portland won a title in Seattle.
 
Strenuus said:
Stotts is the worst coach we have ever had. Anyone with any coaching pedigree would be better.

There is no argument. Good day.
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You're right, how could Sarge ever compare to 6 straight trips to the playoffs and the WCF last year?

And Mo Cheeks - wow, now there's another fantastic coach!!
 
oldmangrouch said:
That list of coaches gives an interesting snapshot of how franchise priorities change.

In length of tenure, Stotts is 2nd to Dr Jack with 8 seasons. This is despite the fact that Adelman (6 seasons) and Dunleavy (4 seasons) both had clearly better records in both the regular season and the play-offs.

It's also interesting that Lenny Wilkens was only given 2 seasons when his teams were crippled by injuries (primarily Walton). Wilkens (one of the classiest guys in league history) is all but forgotten in Portland because he was followed as coach by Dr Jack.

For the benefit of younger posters, Wilkens is in the HOF as both a player and coach and after being fired in Portland won a title in Seattle.
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I always felt that Wilken's wasn't given a fair chance as he started off as a player coach and his last year here he was missing Walton for a large chunk of the season and had two players in Wicks and Petrie that didn't gel very well together. No way to prove it, but I think he would have been able to bring home a championship with the same roster Ramsey was given. I hated the Sonics but I was glad that Wilken's was able to show what he could do winning the championship and taking the team to the finals the year prior.
 
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