OT Coaching changes around the NBA

[CupWizier]

I'd like to see a team go without a coach. I think this would be a perfect idea for SAC to run with, since they're such a shit organization and have wanted to experiment with the game in crazy ways (Cherry Picking!).

The idea would be to build a team full of vets who know how to play - you wouldn't want to waste developmental years with this. Build around Vince, Z-Bo and Shump and add others who are at a similar point in their career - either guys who were once great, or at least solid role players who have been around a while, but guys that are pretty cheap at this point in their careers. Get Tyson Chandler, Rudy Gay (again!), Pau or Marc, that one PG who use to be on the Kings whose name I can't remember. Then just let them run the team. Maybe you pick 5 players that the HC duties rotate between. But the players decide how they want to run practice, they come up with the sets they want to run, and their defensive system.

I think that would be more interesting than half the teams in the league currently are...and they wouldn't be any worse than the typical cellar dwellers!

What is worse than a cellar dweller? Isn't that as low as you can go and not really setting the bar very high for a team. I could just imagine the whining in this forum. It's bad enough as it is and we were a playoff team for all but one year with Stotts.

 

[Gronk Brady]

What is worse than a cellar dweller? Isn't that as low as you can go and not really setting the bar very high for a team. I could just imagine the whining in this forum. It's bad enough as it is and we were a playoff team for all but one year with Stotts.

I think the truly knowledgeable fans think big picture... to at least legitimately contend for a title if not win one. I enjoy drafting high lottery picks and watching them develope. It’s the hope that makes basketball truly exciting. Without hope there is not much fun in it if you ask me... and this team has no hope. Are the good enough to make the playoffs? Yes... but that’s about it. If I were Paul Allen I would throw 10-15 mil per at Jay Wright... trade Dame and CJ for younger players and picks and try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now. Current team will never compete for a title no matter how many bandaids you out on it

 

[hoopsjock]

I think the truly knowledgeable fans think big picture... to at least legitimately contend for a title if not win one. I enjoy drafting high lottery picks and watching them develope. It’s the hope that makes basketball truly exciting. Without hope there is not much fun in it if you ask me... and this team has no hope. Are the good enough to make the playoffs? Yes... but that’s about it. If I were Paul Allen I would throw 10-15 mil per at Jay Wright... trade Dame and CJ for younger players and picks and try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now. Current team will never compete for a title no matter how many bandaids you out on it

What team has completely stripped it down and won a championship in 3-5 years with younger players and draft picks? Why does that new team get 3-5 years but the current group has no hope after just 3 years since stripping it down?

You could probably say the Warriors but other than Steph Curry at #7 they didn't have a single player on their roster that they personally drafted in the top-10. The last Spurs team that won it had Duncan drafted 17 years prior but other than that didn't have a single one of their own lottery picks. The Cavs and earlier Spurs teams got the #1 pick in years that just happened to have players that would go on to be historic greats. The Mavs drafted Dirk with a draft day trade and suffered numerous playoff defeats in early rounds before figuring it all out ONE year in Dirk's 13th year.

Don't you dare say the 76ers either. This was year 5 of the most complete tear down in NBA history and they have exactly 1 playoff series win to show for it in those 5 years over a weak Miami Heat team. You can't count them until they actually accomplish something. You said 3-5 years too so they are heading into their 6th year.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Without hope there is not much fun in it if you ask me... ................ trade Dame and CJ for younger players and picks and try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now.

I guess everyone has a different definition of hope. Everyone looks to Philly and the Lakers as being the blueprint, but IMO both need free agents to actually save themselves from their 5 year miserable rebuild strategy. The Lakers will most definitely get FA help, but would Portland? Do we have homegrown super stars wanting to come back?

Philly is the only team where it looks to have worked. But until it does, it hasn't.
They need Embiid to stay healthy.

 

[KingSpeed]

Has the NBA coach of the year ever been jobless when he received the award? That would be pretty hilarious.

The closest was George Karl in 2013. He was named Coach of the Year and a few weeks later was fired.

 

[CupWizier]

I think the truly knowledgeable fans think big picture... to at least legitimately contend for a title if not win one. I enjoy drafting high lottery picks and watching them develope. It’s the hope that makes basketball truly exciting. Without hope there is not much fun in it if you ask me... and this team has no hope. Are the good enough to make the playoffs? Yes... but that’s about it. If I were Paul Allen I would throw 10-15 mil per at Jay Wright... trade Dame and CJ for younger players and picks and try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now. Current team will never compete for a title no matter how many bandaids you out on it

You aren't Paul Allen and you don;t have anything to do with team decisions and just because you think that's what should be done doesn't mean it should be done either.I also get tired of your false superiority complex when you make comments like "knowledgeable fans". What makes you think your knowledge is so superior? Ever coached? ever been a GM? Ever played at a higher level?

 

[KingSpeed]

veteran coaches are not getting the jobs so far...all assistants ..Charlotte, Knicks....Stan Van Gundy, Mike Woodson, Mo Cheeks,Mark Jackson, Kevin McHale, Jason Kidd, Jeff Van Gundy, Casey, Budenholzer....long list of vet coaches unemployed...landscape is changing...all of these guys will get or keep their assistant jobs in a heartbeat though.

Not all assistants. Knicks hired Fizdale.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wonder why the NBA coaches consider the regular season such a valuable indicator of a coach's achievement.

I know this is confusing, but as of 2017 we now have two different NBA Coach of the Year awards. The award Casey just won is the N.B.C.A. (National Basketball Coach's Association) Coach of the year. This is voted on by the 30 NBA head coaches only and the voting is at the end of the regular season (before the playoffs start):

"The N.B.C.A. introduced its own Coach of the Year Award last season, based on polling of the league’s 30 head coaches after the regular season"

The official NBA Coach of the Year award is different. This one has been around forever (also called the Red Auerbach Award) and is voted on by members of the media. This is the one most of us think of (rightly so) when we hear NBA Coach of the Year. That one hasn't been announced yet. It will be announced on June 25th at the NBA's Awards Show when all the other major regular season awards (MVP, ROY, DPOY, MIP, etc.) will also be announced.

BNM

 

[KingSpeed]

I think the truly knowledgeable fans think big picture... to at least legitimately contend for a title if not win one. I enjoy drafting high lottery picks and watching them develope. It’s the hope that makes basketball truly exciting. Without hope there is not much fun in it if you ask me... and this team has no hope. Are the good enough to make the playoffs? Yes... but that’s about it. If I were Paul Allen I would throw 10-15 mil per at Jay Wright... trade Dame and CJ for younger players and picks and try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now. Current team will never compete for a title no matter how many bandaids you out on it

If trading your best players gets you a championship in 3 years, lol, everyone would do it. Are you crazy? Even Cleveland, after tanking for LeBron, had to wait THIRTEEN YEARS before he actually brought them a championship.

 

[Gronk Brady]

If trading your best players gets you a championship in 3 years, lol, everyone would do it. Are you crazy? Even Cleveland, after tanking for LeBron, had to wait THIRTEEN YEARS before he actually brought them a championship.

Not saying that trading Dame is the right path... I personally would go that route to take advantage of Paul’s resources to get a coach like Jay Wright to lead a young team. When I say big picture I look at if a team can win a title or has a path... this team doesn’t

 

[KingSpeed]

Not saying that trading Dame is the right path... I personally would go that route to take advantage of Paul’s resources to get a coach like Jay Wright to lead a young team. When I say big picture I look at if a team can win a title or has a path... this team doesn’t

We already are a young team. We were the youngest team in the playoffs this year. Not Boston. Not Philly.

 

[Gronk Brady]

We already are a young team. We were the youngest team in the playoffs this year. Not Boston. Not Philly.

This team revolves entirely around Dame and CJ, who will be 28 and 27 next season... they are not going to get any better... they are who they are. Meanwhile other teams like Celtics, Philly, Utah, Milwaukee and others have their core players under 25 with a lot of room to make major strides in their game.

 

[hoopsjock]

This team revolves entirely around Dame and CJ, who will be 28 and 27 next season... they are not going to get any better... they are who they are. Meanwhile other teams like Celtics, Philly, Utah, Milwaukee and others have their core players under 25 with a lot of room to make major strides in their game.

Could you not come up with a team that won a title in 3-5 years after stripping it down?

 

[Gronk Brady]

Could you not come up with a team that won a title in 3-5 years after stripping it down?

I said legitimate contender... that means on a path to have a chance at a title.

 

[Boob-No-More]

If trading your best players gets you a championship in 3 years, lol, everyone would do it. Are you crazy? Even Cleveland, after tanking for LeBron, had to wait THIRTEEN YEARS before he actually brought them a championship.

And he had to leave so they could get 3 more No. 1 overall picks in 4 years. They basically went through two rounds of tanking - 5 years before landing LeBron and then 4 more years of tanking while he took his act to South Beach.

I guess we could always trade Dame to GSW, tank for 4 years and hope he comes back.

BNM

 

[CupWizier]

This team revolves entirely around Dame and CJ, who will be 28 and 27 next season... they are not going to get any better... they are who they are. Meanwhile other teams like Celtics, Philly, Utah, Milwaukee and others have their core players under 25 with a lot of room to make major strides in their game.

So no player at the age of 27 and 28 ever had a better year after they turned that age? Lillard didn't shoot well in the playoffs. Do you think it can't improve from this year?

 

[hoopsjock]

I said legitimate contender... that means on a path to have a chance at a title.

Your exact words were "try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now."

How about just naming some teams that simply contended for titles within 3-5 years after stripping everything down?

After losing in the 2nd round of the 2005 playoffs Seattle/OKC made the playoffs in their 5th year and lost in the 1st round. Year 6 they made the jump to the WCF and year 7 made it all the way to the NBA Finals but never won a title. Can you think of a better example?

 

[Gronk Brady]

Your exact words were "try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now."

How about just naming some teams that simply contended for titles within 3-5 years after stripping everything down?

After losing in the 2nd round of the 2005 playoffs Seattle/OKC made the playoffs in their 5th year and lost in the 1st round. Year 6 they made the jump to the WCF and year 7 made it all the way to the NBA Finals but never won a title. Can you think of a better example?

Philly and Boston this year to name a few... I’m not gonna waste my time going through history for you. If you want to be happy with mediocrity that is your choice.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Your exact words were "try to build a championship team 3-5 years from now."

How about just naming some teams that simply contended for titles within 3-5 years after stripping everything down?

After losing in the 2nd round of the 2005 playoffs Seattle/OKC made the playoffs in their 5th year and lost in the 1st round. Year 6 they made the jump to the WCF and year 7 made it all the way to the NBA Finals but never won a title. Can you think of a better example?

I have a question for you... if Dame and CJ are kept together with Stotts as coach this upcoming season, and Blazers win 40 some games again and get bounced in first round again, are you gonna still be patient for the year after... just curious where your limit is for waiting on this team

 

[CupWizier]

Philly and Boston this year to name a few... I’m not gonna waste my time going through history for you. If you want to be happy with mediocrity that is your choice.

Philly was a title contender this year? I thought they lost in the second round 4-1. Didn't we do that the year before? Boston was given a miracle by Brooklyn/New Jersey but still haven't won a title.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Philly was a title contender this year? I thought they lost in the second round 4-1. Didn't we do that the year before? Boston was given a miracle by Brooklyn/New Jersey but still haven't won a title.

Man, you have an excuse for everything... Boston is in final 4 teams in NBA... FACT. Philly was a few rookie end of game mistakes from being there themselves... if you actually watched the games you would appreciate the talent and how hard those teams play... makes you realize how far the Blazers are with much older core players

 

[hoopsjock]

Man, you have an excuse for everything... Boston is in final 4 teams in NBA... FACT. Philly was a few rookie end of game mistakes from being there themselves... if you actually watched the games you would appreciate the talent and how hard those teams play... makes you realize how far the Blazers are with much older core players

In the EASTERN CONFERENCE! Man, I wish we got to play Miami in the 1st round like the 76ers did.

 

[riverman]

Boston is in final 4 teams in NBA... FACT.

They have a fan msg board too....you like Boston...hey...you can cheer for them all the time..choices.

 

[hoopsjock]

Philly and Boston this year to name a few... I’m not gonna waste my time going through history for you. If you want to be happy with mediocrity that is your choice.

The Blazers have done what Philly has done this year with 2 almost completely different teams over the last 5 years that it took Philly to get to this point.

While I give you that Boston has an amazing core of young draft picks thanks to a miracle trade, their success over the last few years has mostly been due to trades and free agents (IT, Crowder, Horford) and their best two players aren't even playing right now but were also not young players or draft picks (Kyrie and Hayward). They never really stripped it down completely.

You don't want to waste your time because you know you can't come up with any good ones.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Philly and Boston this year to name a few... I’m not gonna waste my time going through history for you. If you want to be happy with mediocrity that is your choice.

Boston did not strip it down to the extent you are talking about. They only missed the playoffs one year and they still won 25 games. They traded their old stars who were in their mid 30's. Can we rely on finding someone as stupid as the Nets to deal with? Can we rely on attracting free agents like Boston does? Did Al Horford give us any love when when he signed with Boston?

Edit: Damn Hoopsjock you keep typing faster then me and saying the same damn thing.

 

[Gronk Brady]

I have a question for you... if Dame and CJ are kept together with Stotts as coach this upcoming season, and Blazers win 40 some games again and get bounced in first round again, are you gonna still be patient for the year after... just curious where your limit is for waiting on this team

Can you answer my question Hoopsjock?

 

[hoopsjock]

I have a question for you... if Dame and CJ are kept together with Stotts as coach this upcoming season, and Blazers win 40 some games again and get bounced in first round again, are you gonna still be patient for the year after... just curious where your limit is for waiting on this team

NO!

I am on record as saying if they are going to keep the core of this team intact that they need to go all-in this summer with the tax-MLE, the Trade Exceptions, and draft picks. They have the flexibility to get better this summer despite being over the cap. I want to see if they learn from this adversity. If they once again are hovering around .500 halfway through the season then I will be upset. If they make the playoffs and get throttled again and if Dame can't use the way he was defended to get better for the future when he sees it again then yes blow it up. I think it is possible to grow every summer without making major changes.

 

[hoopsjock]

Can you answer my question Hoopsjock?

I was typing it out.

 

[Gronk Brady]

NO!

I am on record as saying if they are going to keep the core of this team intact that they need to go all-in this summer with the tax-MLE, the Trade Exceptions, and draft picks. They have the flexibility to get better this summer despite being over the cap. I want to see if they learn from this adversity. If they once again are hovering around .500 halfway through the season then I will be upset. If they make the playoffs and get throttled again and if Dame can't use the way he was defended to get better for the future when he sees it again then yes blow it up. I think it is possible to grow every summer without making major changes.

I can respect that you have a limit... mine is just a half season to full season sooner. Seems like many in here though will follow Neil to his grave

 

[Gronk Brady]

NO!

I am on record as saying if they are going to keep the core of this team intact that they need to go all-in this summer with the tax-MLE, the Trade Exceptions, and draft picks. They have the flexibility to get better this summer despite being over the cap. I want to see if they learn from this adversity. If they once again are hovering around .500 halfway through the season then I will be upset. If they make the playoffs and get throttled again and if Dame can't use the way he was defended to get better for the future when he sees it again then yes blow it up. I think it is possible to grow every summer without making major changes.

Look, if I’m wrong I will happily eat crow... as I have said before I’m a die hard Blazers fan and team success means more than my ego in a forum debate... I just see no path for this roster centered around Dame/CJ combo... it sucks that I will have to wait another year for others to see what I see now