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It appears Flynn is actually guilty of nothing. So what despicable threat did he avoid with his guilty plea?

This whole process is disgusting.
Flynn pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI with regard to his communications with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. In late 2016, the two allegedly spoke about the U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia. Flynn was fired from the White House on Feb. 13, 2017, after he misled Trump administration officials, including Vice President Pence, on his communications.

Flynn also admitted to making false statements about his work as an unregistered foreign agent to benefit the Turkish government. Flynn was under investigation by the Justice Department for that work when he became national security adviser.
 
It appears Flynn is actually guilty of nothing.

Other than some felonies.

So what despicable threat did he avoid with his guilty plea?

Going to trial and then likely jail for his crimes.

This whole process is disgusting.

Next time be more careful who you vote for.

barfo
 
Why don't you guys just say you're sure Cohen and Trump and crew are all guilty instead of make the pretend assertion that innocent people don't ever plead guilty?

People take the hit all the time in order to avoid the possibility of spending serious time in prison..
They do it but not all the time. It's rare.
 
Can you post the article. It's behind a paywall.

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The Mystery of Michael Flynn’s Guilty Plea
He pleaded guilty to a crime FBI agents said he didn’t commit."

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The Mystery of Michael Flynn’s Guilty Plea
He pleaded guilty to a crime FBI agents said he didn’t commit.

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May 6, 2018 5:07 p.m. ET

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Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn leaves federal court in Washington, Dec. 1, 2017. Photo: Susan Walsh/Associated Press
One of the stranger moments of Robert Mueller’s special counsel probe is Michael Flynn’s Dec. 1, 2017 guilty plea for lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The former White House national security adviser pleaded guilty to a single count of making false statements, even though then FBI director James Comey had told Congress in March that the two FBI agents who interviewed Mr. Flynn believed he hadn’t lied.

These columns reported this Comey testimony based on sources at the time of Mr. Flynn’s plea (“The Flynn Information,” Dec. 1, 2017). Now comes confirmation from a less redacted version of the House Intelligence Committee’s Russia report released late Friday. On pages 53-54, the report notes that in March 2017 “Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents . . . discerned no physical indications of deception. They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’” The quotes are from the committee transcript of Mr. Comey’s remarks.

The report goes on to say that then Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe “confirmed the interviewing agent’s initial impression and stated that the ‘conundrum that we faced on their return from the interview is that although [the agents] didn’t detect deception in the statements that he made in the interview . . . the statements were inconsistent with our understanding of the conversation that he had actually had with the ambassador.’”

Recall that the inconsistency concerned whether Mr. Flynn had discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. Vice President Mike Pence had said publicly that Mr. Flynn had not discussed sanctions, and once it came to light that he had, Mr. Flynn resigned.

But Mr. McCabe also nonetheless told the House Intelligence Committee that “‘the two people who interviewed [Flynn] didn’t think he was lying, [which] was not [a] great beginning of a false statement case.’”

All of this relates to the mystery of why Mr. Flynn pleaded guilty to making false statements. It made little sense for him to lie since as a seasoned intelligence officer he would know the U.S. eavesdrops on the Russian ambassador. He also willingly sat for the FBI interview with no legal counsel, suggesting he felt no risk in doing so.

Certainly the statements about the FBI agent’s impression of Mr. Flynn would not have helped Mr. Mueller’s case at trial had Mr. Flynn not pleaded guilty. The plea deal noted that Mr. Flynn’s sentence would depend on his “assistance in the investigation,” and perhaps Mr. Flynn felt he lacked the money to defend himself in court. He also may have wanted to spare his son, whom Mr. Mueller was also targeting.

In any case it is a dubious practice for a prosecutor to force a cooperating witness to plead guilty to a crime he didn’t commit. Perhaps Mr. Flynn is supplying testimony behind the scenes that puts all of this in a better light, but the facts on the public record to date don’t reflect well on Mr. Mueller’s prosecutorial tactics toward Mr. Flynn.

The House report also reflects poorly on Mr. Comey’s credibility. Despite the transcript of his testimony, Mr. Comey at least three times on his book tour has denied telling Congress that the FBI agents did not think Mr. Flynn was lying. “Did you tell lawmakers that FBI agents didn’t believe former national security adviser Michael Flynn was lying intentionally to investigators?” Fox News’ Bret Baier asked Mr. Comey on April 26.

“No,” Mr. Comey replied, adding that “I didn’t believe that and didn’t say that.” Asked a similar question by NBC’s Chuck Todd, Mr. Comey responded, “Not true. And I don’t know what people heard me say, if they’re reporting it accurately, what they heard me say, they misunderstood. But that’s not accurate.”

Perhaps Mr. Comey’s memory is faulty, as happens with human beings, though then he might commiserate with Mr. Flynn. On the other hand, Mr. Comey has jailed many Americans for false statements to the FBI, with no accommodation for mistakes of memory.

The latest House release also shows again the games that the Department of Justice and FBI are playing with redactions. The FBI has for weeks fought Intelligence Committee requests to declassify this portion of its report, though the only harm from public knowledge is to Mr. Comey’s reputation and to the credibility of Mr. Mueller’s prosecution."
 
On pages 53-54, the report notes that in March 2017 “Director Comey testified to the Committee that ‘the agents . . . discerned no physical indications of deception. They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.’” The quotes are from the committee transcript of Mr. Comey’s remarks.

The report goes on to say that then Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe “confirmed the interviewing agent’s initial impression and stated that the ‘conundrum that we faced on their return from the interview is that although [the agents] didn’t detect deception in the statements that he made in the interview . . . the statements were inconsistent with our understanding of the conversation that he had actually had with the ambassador.’”

That doesn't say Flynn isn't a liar - just that if he is a liar, he's good at it.

barfo
 
That doesn't say Flynn isn't a liar - just that if he is a liar, he's good at it.

barfo

Well, it pretty well says, Mueller would have no creditable witness to aid him on the stand in a trial.
 
Well, it pretty well says, Mueller would have no creditable witness to aid him on the stand in a trial.

Witnesses aren't so critical if you have hard evidence. See, e.g., Manafort trial.

barfo
 
Witnesses aren't so critical if you have hard evidence. See, e.g., Manafort trial.

barfo

Geez barf, don't reach so far! You could fall off the ladder!

Accusing Flynn off lying to the FBI and FBI agents don't agree is not going to go to trial, with any hope of conviction.
Then consider that whole damn sting is part of a giant hoax, with manufactured evidence to be circle jerked into and investigation!
Open your eyes man! You have been had!
 
Geez barf, don't reach so far! You could fall off the ladder!

Your concern is touching!

Accusing Flynn off lying to the FBI and FBI agents don't agree is not going to go to trial, with any hope of conviction.

Correct, it's not going to trial. He pleaded guilty, remember? He's being sentenced shortly.

Then consider that whole damn sting is part of a giant hoax, with manufactured evidence to be circle jerked into and investigation!
Open your eyes man! You have been had!

One of us has been had, that much is true.

barfo
 
Hypothetical here.

3 students claim you touched them inappropriately. They hate you for whatever reason and file false charges.

You risk 40 years in prison if you go to trial.

Or take a plea deal and do 3-5. Maybe you don't even have to register as a sex offender. Even if YOU stand your ground and take it to trial you don't think someone else would take the deal?

You know someone would.
This scenario is so unlikely that I wonder if it's ever happened. Three women?
That makes me wonder if 15 women, such as in the Trump case, could have conspired to get a person in legal trouble by blaming him for indecent sexual relations.
 
And when Trump uses the very same term? Does that reveal his class?

barfo

Of course not as marzy holds trump to no accountability and makes excuses every time the heat gets turned up. Word has it trump is known as Mr. Freeze as the room turns ice cold whenever he enters a room.
 
And when Trump uses the very same term? Does that reveal his class?

barfo

I have never heard him refer to the President of the United States as a son of a bitch.

I don't think you have either.
 
I have never heard him refer to the President of the United States as a son of a bitch.

I don't think you have either.

Oh, I see. It only shows lack of class when applied to a president?

Interesting.

barfo
 
Oh, I see. It only shows lack of class when applied to a president?

Interesting.

barfo

Ha!
Well perhaps you hear it often. I admit, I hadn't considered this possibility.
 
Lol he actually shit himself
Ever notice everytime he sits on a chair he squats like he's on the toilet? He's constantly swaying too...weird way to present yourself if you ask me..during the campaign they had one of those of Hillary with the shit stain on her white pants suit....pretty sure they're all photo shopped
 
Our entire legal system is based on plea deals. People cop to shit they didn’t do every day by the truckload.

I get the virtue of not pleading guilty to a crime you didn’t commit, but it happens all day long. It’s like, go to trial and maybe get 3 years, or cop a deal and get probation. No brainer for pretty much everyone unless you have big lawyer money.

It’s unfortunate, but it’s reality.
 
Ever notice everytime he sits on a chair he squats like he's on the toilet? He's constantly swaying too...weird way to present yourself if you ask me..during the campaign they had one of those of Hillary with the shit stain on her white pants suit....pretty sure they're all photo shopped

Not so sure on the trump one as it's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that trump is always full of shit.
 
Why don't you guys just say you're sure Cohen and Trump and crew are all guilty instead of make the pretend assertion that innocent people don't ever plead guilty?

People take the hit all the time in order to avoid the possibility of spending serious time in prison..

WTF are you saying?? I've ALWAYS said this asshat of a president is guilty... :dunno:

Look up my name and the word Treason.
 
WTF are you saying?? I've ALWAYS said this asshat of a president is guilty... :dunno:

Look up my name and the word Treason.
You are another one that stops using logic when you talk about Trump. I KNOW you think he is guilty. Then you say stupid things like this to back up your beliefs.
So you really think innocent people decide to plead guilty?

I hope not...
 
Really quickly:

Would you ever plead guilty to a felony you didn't commit when you know said guilty plea would relieve you of your 2nd amendment right?
Not just no but hell no.
 
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