Combative Obama warns Supreme Court on health law (1 Viewer)

[jlprk]

The reason Democrats had to negotiate within their party was because the bill is so conservative. They made it conservative to try for Republican votes. Now that they know only Democrats will vote for it and pass it, they will start over and write it the way Democrats want it.

You guys should have quit while you were ahead.

 

[Denny Crane]

LOL. Clinton tried to pass national health care and almost lost reelection because of it. In fact, the House which had been Democrat for nearly 50 years (and the senate) went republican in the 1994 mid-term election.

Democrats didn't want to take the blame for passing unpopular legislation, so they trolled as hard as they could to get at least one (the most liberal) republican vote so they could declare it bipartisan.

Yet there were no negotiations between the dominantly democratic controlled senate and house and the minority republicans. There was no seat at the table at all. Why would you expect republicans to vote for the Bill they had no input in crafting?

The Bill was written by Reid and Peolosi with no attempt to get broad support for it. With a filibuster proof senate and huge majority in the house, they couldn't craft a bill that their own party could love and vote for. In the midterms, republicans had a huge electoral victory, taking over the house and gaining an impressive 7 seats in the senate. Not only was the Bill unacceptable to republicans and plenty o Democrats on capital hill, it was not acceptable to the people who vote for them.

They knew only democrats would vote for it and "pass" it, they wrote it the way Democrats want it.

Face it, they are addicted to corporate (Insurance Company) donations.

 

[PapaG]

If your ambition is to be a quality troll, you should drop everything and take reading lessons immediately. I didn't talk about what will pass Congress. I said that if this Republican-negotiated (irrelevant whether any Repubs voted for it, they basically authored the anti-taxation payment method) bill is overturned, this energizing issue will be a boon to Democrats in the upcoming campaign. We need something to get mad about to fight all you overpaid rich guys, and the right of health care is perfect to motivate us to work to win elections.

Once again, you're clueless. Hint - not a single Republican voted for the final version of the bill, yet in both the House and Senate, some Democrats voted against it. What's it like to be in your 60s and still not know basic political and constitutional facts, yet still feel the need to comment on them? Is it some sort of masochism that's just ingrained in your psyche?

 

[Ed O]

The reason Democrats had to negotiate within their party was because the bill is so conservative. They made it conservative to try for Republican votes. Now that they know only Democrats will vote for it and pass it, they will start over and write it the way Democrats want it.

They can't even author a budget. There's no way they can come up with a pure lefty health care replacement bill.

Ed O.

 

[jlprk]

Denny's post is completely revisionist history, and Papa's shows his oft-stated jealousy of age. (Maris, Boob, me.) Speaking of age, demographics are what is impelling the U.S. to join the civilized world with a national health care program because it will eventually save money.

You guys keep saying the legislation won't succeed. Irrelevant. None of my posts assume it will succeed, though I think it will eventually, if not this bill then the one in Obama's second term. My posts just say that its failure will energize Democrats to keep fighting for it, which will energize other issues, which will cause some Democratic wins over the years where they wouldn't have won.

You guys obviously read only conservative sites and are thus convinced you're in the majority. We'll see in November. I am disgusted with Obama for being so conservative, but if this bill goes down and he gets bellicose about it, I'll be a strong vote for him, and will voice my opinion to others. There are millions of Democrats like me. A failure will energize the base.

 

[Denny Crane]

Revisionist history?

You don't remember the Democrats getting swept out of office in 2004?

You don't remember HillaryCare?

LOL

 

[PapaG]

Revisionist history?

You don't remember the Democrats getting swept out of office in 2004?

You don't remember HillaryCare?

LOL

I think you meant 1994.

 

[PapaG]

Denny's post is completely revisionist history, and Papa's shows his oft-stated jealousy of age. (Maris, Boob, me.) Speaking of age, demographics are what is impelling the U.S. to join the civilized world with a national health care program because it will eventually save money.

You guys keep saying the legislation won't succeed. Irrelevant. None of my posts assume it will succeed, though I think it will eventually, if not this bill then the one in Obama's second term. My posts just say that its failure will energize Democrats to keep fighting for it, which will energize other issues, which will cause some Democratic wins over the years where they wouldn't have won.

You guys obviously read only conservative sites and are thus convinced you're in the majority. We'll see in November. I am disgusted with Obama for being so conservative, but if this bill goes down and he gets bellicose about it, I'll be a strong vote for him, and will voice my opinion to others. There are millions of Democrats like me. A failure will energize the base.

Actually, I reference your age because it amazes me how little you seem to know about things.

Boob's age reference was for calling me a "bitch" when I once again rattled him.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Revolution

The gains in seats in the mid-term election resulted in the Republicans gaining control of both the House and the Senate in January 1995. Republicans had not held the majority in the House for forty years, since the 83rd Congress (elected in 1952).

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-22/...on-initiatives-hillary-clinton?_s=PM:POLITICS

Will Obama's health care plan mirror the 1994 Clinton failure?


The plan's failure emboldened Republicans and led to huge Democratic losses in the 1994 midterm elections, allowing the GOP to take control of Congress and stymie other Clinton initiatives.

 

[Denny Crane]

LOL. Clinton tried to pass national health care and almost lost reelection because of it. In fact, the House which had been Democrat for nearly 50 years (and the senate) went republican in the 1994 mid-term election.

Democrats didn't want to take the blame for passing unpopular legislation, so they trolled as hard as they could to get at least one (the most liberal) republican vote so they could declare it bipartisan.

Yet there were no negotiations between the dominantly democratic controlled senate and house and the minority republicans. There was no seat at the table at all. Why would you expect republicans to vote for the Bill they had no input in crafting?

The Bill was written by Reid and Peolosi with no attempt to get broad support for it. With a filibuster proof senate and huge majority in the house, they couldn't craft a bill that their own party could love and vote for. In the midterms, republicans had a huge electoral victory, taking over the house and gaining an impressive 7 seats in the senate. Not only was the Bill unacceptable to republicans and plenty o Democrats on capital hill, it was not acceptable to the people who vote for them.

They knew only democrats would vote for it and "pass" it, they wrote it the way Democrats want it.

Face it, they are addicted to corporate (Insurance Company) donations.

Yeah, 1994.