Coming Luxury Tax implications

[TBpup]

@hoopsjock and @Hoopguru got me to thinking about this with what might happen to Jake this Summer.

How Neil deals with cap space this summer will be very interesting.

Does he re-sign Aminu? The Lux Tax line will be ~$132,000,000 for next year. The Blazers are currently at $127,625,654 and that is without re-signing Aminu, Hood or Curry.

They will still have Nicholson, Varejao, and Ezeli on the books.

Even if they don't re-sign Aminu, Hood or Curry, they will still have to fill at least some of those roster spots. Jake's QO is at $1.9M but he is likely to get higher offers than that which the Blazers will have to match. That will likely eat up all the room to the tax level and more right there.

Expiring contracts:
Turner - $18.6M
Harkless - $11.5M
Leonard - $11.3M

That is ~$41,400,000 of expiring salary. Would Detroit like to have all of that ending salary for Blake Griffin? (~$34.5M next year) They could take that on and still be under the Lux tax line. But then Portland is committed to being at or over the tax line for years to come.

Unfortunately, as we talked about in the last podcast, there are 62 expiring contracts for the upcoming season. There will be a lot of teams with expiring deals which negates how valuable the expiring deals the Blazers have are just from a supply/demand standpoint.

This is a chance for Neil to make a big splash with someone like Griffin or the Blazers reset with a lot of money coming off their tax line that still won't leave them much under the Salary Cap.

Things could get interesting.

 

[Scalma]

Let’s just assume he wasn’t bullshitting. Olshey mentioned they had a deal on the table that involved “astronomical” money that Jody OKd. He also mentioned the player didn’t end up getting traded anywhere else.

Good bet he was talking about Griffin. He’ll probably revisit it this summer, assuming he doesn’t get fired.

 

[TBpup]

Let’s just assume he wasn’t bullshitting. Olshey mentioned they had a deal on the table that involved “astronomical” money that Jody OKd. He also mentioned the player didn’t end up getting traded anywhere else.

Good bet he was talking about Griffin.

I believe both Griffin and Davis were discussed at some level. With Davis I see it being a matter of not having enough assets or the Pelicans just wanting to wait to see what Boston's offer will be.

With Griffin, I expect it would have had more to do with the contracts offered were not expiring and next year they will be.

Who knows, but 'astronomical dollars that didn't end up getting traded'....well, there are only so many of those that were available.

 

[Scalma]

I believe both Griffin and Davis were discussed at some level. With Davis I see it being a matter of not having enough assets or the Pelicans just wanting to wait to see what Boston's offer will be.

With Griffin, I expect it would have had more to do with the contracts offered were not expiring and next year they will be.

Who knows, but 'astronomical dollars that didn't end up getting traded'....well, there are only so many of those that were available.

The reason I don’t think it was Anthony Davis is because his contract expires after next season. It felt like Olshey was hinting at taking on a ton of future money, since the question he was answering had to do with Jody Allen. Griffin is the only obvious name to me.

I think an Evan, Moe, Collins, pick swap for Griffin will be in play this summer.

 

[TBpup]

The reason I don’t think it was Anthony Davis is because his contract expires after next season. It felt like Olshey was hinting at taking on a ton of future money, since the question he was answering had to do with Jody Allen. Griffin is the only obvious name to me.

I think an Evan, Moe, Collins, pick swap for Griffin will be in play this summer.

Davis is expiring....but it you are taking him on, you are 'hoping' to commit to astronomical money in the future. Still, agreed it could have very well more likely been Griffin.

 

[rotary111]

I hope they can figure out the ownership piece soon. My guess would be they try and clear the books as much as possible for the new ownership to form a new plan. Although reports have been that Jody is willing to spend if necessary.

Does the fact that we are somewhat in limbo make a difference to players who may be considering Ptown?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Almost get the feeling that until the summer of 2020, we just get to sit back and watch because not much is going to change. Maybe next deadline someone will be willing to take on our expiring deals but I'm not even all that hopeful those will get turned into anything useful.
Least we got a pretty good team to watch, Nurk and Dame are good enough to keep things interesting.

 

[blue9]

Better not re-sign Aminu or Curry - waste of money. Hood? We'll see.

 

[hoopsjock]

Let’s just assume he wasn’t bullshitting. Olshey mentioned they had a deal on the table that involved “astronomical” money that Jody OKd. He also mentioned the player didn’t end up getting traded anywhere else.

Good bet he was talking about Griffin. He’ll probably revisit it this summer, assuming he doesn’t get fired.

If we take Olshey at his word the only players that make sense would be Griffin or Love. You would think Love would be easier to get but Cleveland seems to not know what they are doing with him. The only other player I can think of that would fit the astronomical part is Wiggins, but I doubt that. I guess Wall and Conley could fit under that description but those make no sense.

 

[hoopsjock]

@hoopsjock and @Hoopguru got me to thinking about this with what might happen to Jake this Summer.

How Neil deals with cap space this summer will be very interesting.

Does he re-sign Aminu? The Lux Tax line will be ~$132,000,000 for next year. The Blazers are currently at $127,625,654 and that is without re-signing Aminu, Hood or Curry.

They will still have Nicholson, Varejao, and Ezeli on the books.

Even if they don't re-sign Aminu, Hood or Curry, they will still have to fill at least some of those roster spots. Jake's QO is at $1.9M but he is likely to get higher offers than that which the Blazers will have to match. That will likely eat up all the room to the tax level and more right there.

Expiring contracts:
Turner - $18.6M
Harkless - $11.5M
Leonard - $11.3M

That is ~$41,400,000 of expiring salary. Would Detroit like to have all of that ending salary for Blake Griffin? (~$34.5M next year) They could take that on and still be under the Lux tax line. But then Portland is committed to being at or over the tax line for years to come.

Unfortunately, as we talked about in the last podcast, there are 62 expiring contracts for the upcoming season. There will be a lot of teams with expiring deals which negates how valuable the expiring deals the Blazers have are just from a supply/demand standpoint.

This is a chance for Neil to make a big splash with someone like Griffin or the Blazers reset with a lot of money coming off their tax line that still won't leave them much under the Salary Cap.

Things could get interesting.

If you want Griffin I think you have to root for Detroit to not make the playoffs and kind of end the season with a thud. If they go on a run and make the playoffs then I think they'll continue to build around him.

As far as what a deal this summer for him would look like my guess would be something like Turner, Harkless, Collins, rights to whoever we draft with our 2019 1st (picking for them), and a 2020 1st (we can trade both our 2019 pick and 2020 pick if we wait until the draft takes place). We'd probably have to throw in Simons or Trent as well. We'd basically have to hope for both the Pistons to start viewing his contract negatively instead of positively and that other teams with expiring contracts aren't willing to give up two 1st rounders and a young player for him because of that contract.

I know this is going to sound crazy and I'm certainly not wishing for Griffin to get hurt but another injury would significantly lower his value and probably keep other interested teams away. The Blazers would still potentially take the risk because he'd be one of the few "stars" we could get without having to trade our back court or Nurk.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you want Griffin I think you have to root for Detroit to not make the playoffs and kind of end the season with a thud. If they go on a run and make the playoffs then I think they'll continue to build around him.

As far as what a deal this summer for him would look like my guess would be something like Turner, Harkless, Collins, rights to whoever we draft with our 2019 1st (picking for them), and a 2020 1st (we can trade both our 2019 pick and 2020 pick if we wait until the draft takes place). We'd probably have to throw in Simons or Trent as well. We'd basically have to hope for both the Pistons to start viewing his contract negatively instead of positively and that other teams with expiring contracts aren't willing to give up two 1st rounders and a young player for him because of that contract.

I know this is going to sound crazy and I'm certainly not wishing for Griffin to get hurt but another injury would significantly lower his value and probably keep other interested teams away. The Blazers would still potentially take the risk because he'd be one of the few "stars" we could get without having to trade our back court or Nurk.

I don't want him to get hurt, but I want him to become increasingly frustrated with his teammates and with losing.

I would gladly part with Turner, Harkless, Collins, Simons, 2019 draftee, and 2020 #1 for Blake. Going into next year with Dame, CJ, Jake, Blake and Nurk would be incredibly exciting.

 

[wizenheimer]

Let’s just assume he wasn’t bullshitting. Olshey mentioned they had a deal on the table that involved “astronomical” money that Jody OKd. He also mentioned the player didn’t end up getting traded anywhere else.

Good bet he was talking about Griffin. He’ll probably revisit it this summer, assuming he doesn’t get fired.

the problem with believing all that is accurate, even though it could be, is that Jody Allen may have approved a trade that was something like Turner + Meyers + Harkless + (maybe)1st for Blake Griffin

that would have dropped this year's tax down to nearly nothing, and shaved more than 7M off of next year's salary base. Of course Jody Allen would 'approve' something like that. And just about certainly, Detroit would have rejected that deal since it was such a lowball offer. I mean, I could make an "astronomical" offer of 12M for a 36 million ranch/resort; that would allow me to say I tried, but the reality would be it was never a serious offer

I'm not saying that was the offer...maybe Olshey was including multiple 1sts & Zach (haha!)...or maybe it was for Love. I'm imagining both Detroit and Cleveland are having a little bit of buyer's remorse for those contracts, but I seriously doubt they are ready to dump them for negative value just yet

 

[Chris Craig]

@hoopsjock and @Hoopguru got me to thinking about this with what might happen to Jake this Summer.

How Neil deals with cap space this summer will be very interesting.

Does he re-sign Aminu? The Lux Tax line will be ~$132,000,000 for next year. The Blazers are currently at $127,625,654 and that is without re-signing Aminu, Hood or Curry.

They will still have Nicholson, Varejao, and Ezeli on the books.

Even if they don't re-sign Aminu, Hood or Curry, they will still have to fill at least some of those roster spots. Jake's QO is at $1.9M but he is likely to get higher offers than that which the Blazers will have to match. That will likely eat up all the room to the tax level and more right there.

Expiring contracts:
Turner - $18.6M
Harkless - $11.5M
Leonard - $11.3M

That is ~$41,400,000 of expiring salary. Would Detroit like to have all of that ending salary for Blake Griffin? (~$34.5M next year) They could take that on and still be under the Lux tax line. But then Portland is committed to being at or over the tax line for years to come.

Unfortunately, as we talked about in the last podcast, there are 62 expiring contracts for the upcoming season. There will be a lot of teams with expiring deals which negates how valuable the expiring deals the Blazers have are just from a supply/demand standpoint.

This is a chance for Neil to make a big splash with someone like Griffin or the Blazers reset with a lot of money coming off their tax line that still won't leave them much under the Salary Cap.

Things could get interesting.

There are 62 expirings next year, but do any other teams have three expirings that add up to $41 million that can be sent out to equal the salary for an incoming player like Griffin?

 

[wizenheimer]

There are 62 expirings next year, but do any other teams have three expirings that add up to $41 million that can be sent out to equal the salary for an incoming player like Griffin?

3 for 1 trades are hard because most teams have full rosters or only one opening. Besides that, Turner + Meyers/Harkless for Blake is a legal 2 for 1 deal and would give Detroit the benefit of reducing salary. Pistons would never go for that though, IMO. Blazers will have to include some positive assets, even if they are minor, some combination of Zach, Simons, Trent, & picks

 

[blue9]

If you want Griffin I think you have to root for Detroit to not make the playoffs and kind of end the season with a thud. If they go on a run and make the playoffs then I think they'll continue to build around him.

As far as what a deal this summer for him would look like my guess would be something like Turner, Harkless, Collins, rights to whoever we draft with our 2019 1st (picking for them), and a 2020 1st (we can trade both our 2019 pick and 2020 pick if we wait until the draft takes place). We'd probably have to throw in Simons or Trent as well. We'd basically have to hope for both the Pistons to start viewing his contract negatively instead of positively and that other teams with expiring contracts aren't willing to give up two 1st rounders and a young player for him because of that contract.

I know this is going to sound crazy and I'm certainly not wishing for Griffin to get hurt but another injury would significantly lower his value and probably keep other interested teams away. The Blazers would still potentially take the risk because he'd be one of the few "stars" we could get without having to trade our back court or Nurk.

I think that's a HUGE overpay. Griffin's contract reduces the package that DET will get for him. Turner will no longer be a negative asset (neutral, but not negative). The fact that NYK got two picks and no players for Porzingis (a younger, cheaper, better? player) means DET will likely get one pick and one asset (Collins/Simons?) in addition to filler.

 

[hoopsjock]

I think that's a HUGE overpay. Griffin's contract reduces the package that DET will get for him. Turner will no longer be a negative asset (neutral, but not negative). The fact that NYK got two picks and no players for Porzingis (a younger, cheaper, better? player) means DET will likely get one pick and one asset (Collins/Simons?) in addition to filler.

The Knicks did get Dennis Smith Jr too. In two games with the Knicks he's scored 25 and 31 points, with 6 assists and 8 assists. I don't think you can call that no players.

Griffin is averaging 25 points, 8 rebounds, and 5 assists per game with good efficiency numbers and playmaking ability. You aren't going to get him for too cheap.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Who starts for the Blazers in the playoffs? That shapes the coming Luxury Tax. I wonder
if Aminu will be relegated to the bench, and then let go for tax reasons.

 

[hoopsjock]

Who starts for the Blazers in the playoffs? That shapes the coming Luxury Tax. I wonder
if Aminu will be relegated to the bench, and then let go for tax reasons.

Just to be clear (for everyone not specifically you), there is no way to reduce the tax bill for this season now. We can only add to it if we fill the 15th roster spot.

The tax bill for next season can be changed up until the trade deadline of 2020. Look at the Rockets this year as to how to get under the tax line at the last minute. It's difficult but it can be done.

With how much expiring contracts came into play for trades this year I wonder if Olshey will think it will be like that next year too and sign Aminu to a one year deal. That way after December 15th we could use him as an expiring contract too.

 

[TBpup]

There are 62 expirings next year, but do any other teams have three expirings that add up to $41 million that can be semt out to equal the salary for an incoming player like Griffin?

Alphabetical Teams...............Teams w/the most Expiring $$
ATL - $34.2M (3 players)...............TOR - $105.5 (5 players)
BRK - $28.0M (4 players)..............CLE - $79.7M (6 players)
BOS _ $52.4M (3 players)..............NYK - $79.6M (1 players)
CHA - $51.0M (5 players)...............GSW - $70.1M (4 players)
CLE - $79.7M (6 players)................MIA - $63.2M (4 players)
DAL - $21.3M (2 players)................MEM- $60.3M (4 players)
DEN - $46.5M (3 players)...............BOS - $52.4M (3 players)
DET - $38.5M (3 players)................CHA - $51.0M (5 players)
GSW - $70.1M (4 players)...............DEN - $46.5M (3 players)
LAC - $27.6M (2 players)................DET - $38.5M (3 players)
MEM - $60.3M (4 players)..............POR - $38.2M (3 players)
MIA - $63.2M (4 players)................WAS - $36.0M (2 players)
NOP - $30.9M (4 players)...............UTA - $35.3M (4 players)
NYK - $79.6M (1 players)................MIL - $34.6M (3 players)
OKC - $17.3M (3 players).................SAS - $32.2 (4 players)
ORL - $23.2M (2 players)................BRK - $28.0M (4 players)
PHI - $25.0M (2 players).................LAC - $27.6M (2 players)
PHX - $12.5M (1 player)...................SAC - $26.7 (2 players)
POR - $38.2M (3 players)................PHI - $25.0M (2 players)
SAC - $26.7 (2 players).....................ORL - $23.2M (2 players)
SAS - $32.2 (4 players).....................DAL - $21.3M (2 players)
TOR - $105.5 (5 players)..................OKC - $17.3M (3 players)
UTA - $35.3M (4 players).................PHX - $12.5M (1 player)
WAS - $36.0M (2 players)................NYK - $6.9M (1 players)

Okay @Chris Craig you owe me big time. This took a while to put together because there were a couple of errors in the sites I used to get the information and even now, I'm not positive every team is correct....but you get the idea.

This is EXACTLY what we were talking about on the last podcast. There are so many teams with expiring deals and in the rankings, Portland is 11th in terms of amount of expiring dollar amount. Expiring contracts will be worth so much less because there are so many teams with them and many with more contract value or number of players to choose from to make a deal.

I was bothered by what Neil did but didn't realize it was this bad. The Blazers have been hamstrung by these contract from the beginning and now that they are finally coming to an end, unless there is some serious magic, are worth very little as ending contracts.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Who starts for the Blazers in the playoffs? That shapes the coming Luxury Tax. I wonder
if Aminu will be relegated to the bench, and then let go for tax reasons.

Wouldn't who finishes the game be a bigger indicator then who starts?
I can see Jake and or Hood NOT starting but still finishing games.....and be more important to re-sign this summer.

 

[hoopsjock]

Alphabetical Teams...............Teams w/the most Expiring $$
ATL - $34.2M (3 players)...............TOR - $105.5 (5 players)
BRK - $28.0M (4 players)..............CLE - $79.7M (6 players)
BOS _ $52.4M (3 players)..............NYK - $79.6M (1 players)
CHA - $51.0M (5 players)...............GSW - $70.1M (4 players)
CLE - $79.7M (6 players)................MIA - $63.2M (4 players)
DAL - $21.3M (2 players)................MEM- $60.3M (4 players)
DEN - $46.5M (3 players)...............BOS - $52.4M (3 players)
DET - $38.5M (3 players)................CHA - $51.0M (5 players)
GSW - $70.1M (4 players)...............DEN - $46.5M (3 players)
LAC - $27.6M (2 players)................DET - $38.5M (3 players)
MEM - $60.3M (4 players)..............POR - $38.2M (3 players)
MIA - $63.2M (4 players)................WAS - $36.0M (2 players)
NOP - $30.9M (4 players)...............UTA - $35.3M (4 players)
NYK - $79.6M (1 players)................MIL - $34.6M (3 players)
OKC - $17.3M (3 players).................SAS - $32.2 (4 players)
ORL - $23.2M (2 players)................BRK - $28.0M (4 players)
PHI - $25.0M (2 players).................LAC - $27.6M (2 players)
PHX - $12.5M (1 player)...................SAC - $26.7 (2 players)
POR - $38.2M (3 players)................PHI - $25.0M (2 players)
SAC - $26.7 (2 players).....................ORL - $23.2M (2 players)
SAS - $32.2 (4 players).....................DAL - $21.3M (2 players)
TOR - $105.5 (5 players)..................OKC - $17.3M (3 players)
UTA - $35.3M (4 players).................PHX - $12.5M (1 player)
WAS - $36.0M (2 players)................NYK - $6.9M (1 players)

Okay @Chris Craig you owe me big time. This took a while to put together because there were a couple of errors in the sites I used to get the information and even now, I'm not positive every team is correct....but you get the idea.

This is EXACTLY what we were talking about on the last podcast. There are so many teams with expiring deals and in the rankings, Portland is 11th in terms of amount of expiring dollar amount. Expiring contracts will be worth so much less because there are so many teams with them and many with more contract value or number of players to choose from to make a deal.

I was bothered by what Neil did but didn't realize it was this bad. The Blazers have been hamstrung by these contract from the beginning and now that they are finally coming to an end, unless there is some serious magic, are worth very little as ending contracts.

I'm just sick of the excuses. The Nuggets got out of the tax before the season started. The Bucks planned ahead and got rid of two of their bad contracts (Henson and Dellavedova) to give them room for re-signing Middleton and Brogdon this summer. The Wizards were able to shed salary and get below the tax line. The Rockets got rid of Knight's contract for next year and got under the tax. The Mavs dumped Barnes. To say that teams were only interested in expiring contracts is bullshit. The only way it makes sense is if they really are willing to go as far as it takes this summer into the tax. Even that seems a little reckless though.

 

[Titan]

I am kinda glad Neil at least kept our 1st pick because we are going to need as much picks we can muster to make our expiring contracts look good compared to all the other expirings.

Also TBpup already hit on it earlier but wish we didn’t use the stretch provisions, we would have been better to just take the hits in the past seasons.

If Detroit fails to make the playoffs, hope they blow it up. Bucks, Raptors, Sixers all went in and don’t count out the C’s. They all can’t make the finals and some will get left behind in the semis, maybe one of them blows it up this summer. I’m hoping the Raptors blow it up.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I'm just sick of the excuses. The Nuggets got out of the tax before the season started. The Bucks planned ahead and got rid of two of their bad contracts (Henson and Dellavedova) to give them room for re-signing Middleton and Brogdon this summer. The Wizards were able to shed salary and get below the tax line. The Rockets got rid of Knight's contract for next year and got under the tax. The Mavs dumped Barnes. To say that teams were only interested in expiring contracts is bullshit. The only way it makes sense is if they really are willing to go as far as it takes this summer into the tax. Even that seems a little reckless though.

Sorry if this has been answered already but what happens if we do not re-sign Aminu or Curry. How much can we offer Layman and Hood?

 

[hoopsjock]

Sorry if this has been answered already but what happens if we do not re-sign Aminu or Curry. How much can we offer Layman and Hood?

It depends a little bit on what the final cap number is but as of right now we'd have...

Tax-MLE of $5.6 million - This is the max we could offer Hood (or Curry).

Layman (assuming we offer the $1.9 million qualifying offer) can be re-signed for any amount, even a max contract, but we'd probably be deep in the tax then.

Aminu can also be re-signed for any amount but he's unrestricted so unlike Layman we don't have a chance to match if he signs elsewhere.

 

[hoopsjock]

I am kinda glad Neil at least kept our 1st pick because we are going to need as much picks we can muster to make our expiring contracts look good compared to all the other expirings.

Also TBpup already hit on it earlier but wish we didn’t use the stretch provisions, we would have been better to just take the hits in the past seasons.

If Detroit fails to make the playoffs, hope they blow it up. Bucks, Raptors, Sixers all went in and don’t count out the C’s. They all can’t make the finals and some will get left behind in the semis, maybe one of them blows it up this summer. I’m hoping the Raptors blow it up.

The stretch provisions do suck but we'd be on the repeater tax clock if we didn't stretch those guys because there would have been no way to duck the tax last year. I don't know how much that matters but it would result in much larger tax payments down the road.

 

[TBpup]

Upon further review, there are currently $1,011,600,000 in expiring contracts at the end of next season. That is $1.011Billion with a 'B'. The Blazers have $37M of that....around 3.65%.

Granted, they are 3.33% of the league so it comes out at about the same percentage but when you start factoring where teams are with the Luxury Tax, over the cap, etc, along with some of the number of teams with MASSIVE amounts more than they have, it is a blip.

Neil is going to have to get creative.

 

[wizenheimer]

Alphabetical Teams...............Teams w/the most Expiring $$
ATL - $34.2M (3 players)...............TOR - $105.5 (5 players)
BRK - $28.0M (4 players)..............CLE - $79.7M (6 players)
BOS _ $52.4M (3 players)..............NYK - $79.6M (1 players)
CHA - $51.0M (5 players)...............GSW - $70.1M (4 players)
CLE - $79.7M (6 players)................MIA - $63.2M (4 players)
DAL - $21.3M (2 players)................MEM- $60.3M (4 players)
DEN - $46.5M (3 players)...............BOS - $52.4M (3 players)
DET - $38.5M (3 players)................CHA - $51.0M (5 players)
GSW - $70.1M (4 players)...............DEN - $46.5M (3 players)
LAC - $27.6M (2 players)................DET - $38.5M (3 players)
MEM - $60.3M (4 players)..............POR - $38.2M (3 players)
MIA - $63.2M (4 players)................WAS - $36.0M (2 players)
NOP - $30.9M (4 players)...............UTA - $35.3M (4 players)
NYK - $79.6M (1 players)................MIL - $34.6M (3 players)
OKC - $17.3M (3 players).................SAS - $32.2 (4 players)
ORL - $23.2M (2 players)................BRK - $28.0M (4 players)
PHI - $25.0M (2 players).................LAC - $27.6M (2 players)
PHX - $12.5M (1 player)...................SAC - $26.7 (2 players)
POR - $38.2M (3 players)................PHI - $25.0M (2 players)
SAC - $26.7 (2 players).....................ORL - $23.2M (2 players)
SAS - $32.2 (4 players).....................DAL - $21.3M (2 players)
TOR - $105.5 (5 players)..................OKC - $17.3M (3 players)
UTA - $35.3M (4 players).................PHX - $12.5M (1 player)
WAS - $36.0M (2 players)................NYK - $6.9M (1 players)

Okay @Chris Craig you owe me big time. This took a while to put together because there were a couple of errors in the sites I used to get the information and even now, I'm not positive every team is correct....but you get the idea.

This is EXACTLY what we were talking about on the last podcast. There are so many teams with expiring deals and in the rankings, Portland is 11th in terms of amount of expiring dollar amount. Expiring contracts will be worth so much less because there are so many teams with them and many with more contract value or number of players to choose from to make a deal.

I was bothered by what Neil did but didn't realize it was this bad. The Blazers have been hamstrung by these contract from the beginning and now that they are finally coming to an end, unless there is some serious magic, are worth very little as ending contracts.

good work...and you also have to keep in mind there will be 1-year deals signed this summer that immediately become expiring contracts. Those type of short-term deals have been increasing since the new TV contracts

The stretch provisions do suck but we'd be on the repeater tax clock if we didn't stretch those guys because there would have been no way to duck the tax last year. I don't know how much that matters but it would result in much larger tax payments down the road.

just off the top of my head, I'm thinking without those stretch provisions, this would be Portland's 3rd straight year of paying tax. If so, then next year they'd be a repeater tax team if they went over the line. That would almost guarantee a big NYET from the Vulcans on breaching the threshold

 

[oldmangrouch]

Upon further review, there are currently $1,011,600,000 in expiring contracts at the end of next season. That is $1.011Billion with a 'B'. The Blazers have $37M of that....around 3.65%.

Granted, they are 3.33% of the league so it comes out at about the same percentage but when you start factoring where teams are with the Luxury Tax, over the cap, etc, along with some of the number of teams with MASSIVE amounts more than they have, it is a blip.

Neil is going to have to get creative.

So, we're boned?

 

[hoopsjock]

Upon further review, there are currently $1,011,600,000 in expiring contracts at the end of next season. That is $1.011Billion with a 'B'. The Blazers have $37M of that....around 3.65%.

Granted, they are 3.33% of the league so it comes out at about the same percentage but when you start factoring where teams are with the Luxury Tax, over the cap, etc, along with some of the number of teams with MASSIVE amounts more than they have, it is a blip.

Neil is going to have to get creative.

Just curious where you got the numbers from? I picked Boston randomly and it kind of depends on options picked up. Plus you have guys like Jaylen Brown who would be on the final year of their rookie deal so even though they are expiring it's not quite the same. On the flip side those numbers don't factor in anyone who signs a one year deal this summer either.

 

[Chris Craig]

Alphabetical Teams...............Teams w/the most Expiring $$
ATL - $34.2M (3 players)...............TOR - $105.5 (5 players)
BRK - $28.0M (4 players)..............CLE - $79.7M (6 players)
BOS _ $52.4M (3 players)..............NYK - $79.6M (1 players)
CHA - $51.0M (5 players)...............GSW - $70.1M (4 players)
CLE - $79.7M (6 players)................MIA - $63.2M (4 players)
DAL - $21.3M (2 players)................MEM- $60.3M (4 players)
DEN - $46.5M (3 players)...............BOS - $52.4M (3 players)
DET - $38.5M (3 players)................CHA - $51.0M (5 players)
GSW - $70.1M (4 players)...............DEN - $46.5M (3 players)
LAC - $27.6M (2 players)................DET - $38.5M (3 players)
MEM - $60.3M (4 players)..............POR - $38.2M (3 players)
MIA - $63.2M (4 players)................WAS - $36.0M (2 players)
NOP - $30.9M (4 players)...............UTA - $35.3M (4 players)
NYK - $79.6M (1 players)................MIL - $34.6M (3 players)
OKC - $17.3M (3 players).................SAS - $32.2 (4 players)
ORL - $23.2M (2 players)................BRK - $28.0M (4 players)
PHI - $25.0M (2 players).................LAC - $27.6M (2 players)
PHX - $12.5M (1 player)...................SAC - $26.7 (2 players)
POR - $38.2M (3 players)................PHI - $25.0M (2 players)
SAC - $26.7 (2 players).....................ORL - $23.2M (2 players)
SAS - $32.2 (4 players).....................DAL - $21.3M (2 players)
TOR - $105.5 (5 players)..................OKC - $17.3M (3 players)
UTA - $35.3M (4 players).................PHX - $12.5M (1 player)
WAS - $36.0M (2 players)................NYK - $6.9M (1 players)

Okay @Chris Craig you owe me big time. This took a while to put together because there were a couple of errors in the sites I used to get the information and even now, I'm not positive every team is correct....but you get the idea.

This is EXACTLY what we were talking about on the last podcast. There are so many teams with expiring deals and in the rankings, Portland is 11th in terms of amount of expiring dollar amount. Expiring contracts will be worth so much less because there are so many teams with them and many with more contract value or number of players to choose from to make a deal.

I was bothered by what Neil did but didn't realize it was this bad. The Blazers have been hamstrung by these contract from the beginning and now that they are finally coming to an end, unless there is some serious magic, are worth very little as ending contracts.

Thanks Tbpup, that's a bit of work. I guess it will depend on what teams move those players during the offseason as opposed to the trade deadline. The summer of 2020 is going to be a crazy Free agency. Too, how many teams want Griffin? Will be going after him?