OT Commish Silver 'on the fence' about intentional fouling

[ripcityboy]

Hell. At least it's legal. The Patriots deflates footballs in a championship game and no one cared. Isn't that big a deal...... Yes. I am a Jets fan.

 

[kjironman1]

Hell. At least it's legal. The Patriots deflates footballs in a championship game and no one cared. Isn't that big a deal...... Yes. I am a Jets fan.

As i remember they made a pretty big deal out of it.

 

[ripcityboy]

As i remember they made a pretty big deal out of it.

Yeah. I just want to see what kind of "punishment" the Pats get. Kraft ' s got his hand so far up Goodell ' s ass it's not even funny.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Well to me it's just a cheap way of trying to win a game and it's not really won by team defense like basketball is supposed to be.

 

[blue32]

It's not the god damned free-throws that are boring and turn people off, its all the fucking time outs in the fourth quarter. Jesus christ, commercial breaks every 30 seconds of basketball. lol

 

[BBert]

It's not the god damned free-throws that are boring and turn people off, its all the fucking time outs in the fourth quarter. Jesus christ, commercial breaks every 30 seconds of basketball. lol

My wife walks into the room. I'm watching the game.
"Will this be over soon?"
"There's only two minutes left. Score's tied."
"Oh, so 30 minutes? How can it take so long to play two minutes of a stupid game?"

Yes, it's the time outs and commercial breaks. Maddening.

 

[Strenuus]

Same could be said for defense on the opposing team though. Step your game up! Making one player hit free throws on the opposing team isn't winning it by defense.

So you're down 2 with 9 seconds left and the shot clock off and they inbounds... Defense will win you the game? You expect a steal every time? They do all the defense on the full court press, after that, it's over. So there was your only rebuddle.

 

[Strenuus]

It's not the god damned free-throws that are boring and turn people off, its all the fucking time outs in the fourth quarter. Jesus christ, commercial breaks every 30 seconds of basketball. lol

Every 3 minutes of basketball for every quarter has a mandatory time out that is 2 minues + long. Add in the myraid of timeouts of 30 second (which is still 2 minutes) and full timeouts. I forget how many there are for each time (7? 6?) So say you have 15 of those mandatory time outs. (under 9 minutes, under 6, under 3, and at the end of 1st, 2nd, 3rd) That's 42 minutes right there. (15 x 2 + 12 for the halftime, though that varies depending on whose carrying the game.) On top of that, you have all the time outs that coaches have. Add all that up, you're well up over 80 minutes. That's an hour and 20 minutes of no action. More money for them, more boredom for us. Not to mention the 4th quarter slogfest it usually is. Games typically last 2 1/2 hours, but if you did the math of it all, over half of it is not action. That's just sad.

 

[magnifier661]

Every 3 minutes of basketball for every quarter has a mandatory time out that is 2 minues + long. Add in the myraid of timeouts of 30 second (which is still 2 minutes) and full timeouts. I forget how many there are for each time (7? 6?) So say you have 15 of those mandatory time outs. (under 9 minutes, under 6, under 3, and at the end of 1st, 2nd, 3rd) That's 42 minutes right there. (15 x 2 + 12 for the halftime, though that varies depending on whose carrying the game.) On top of that, you have all the time outs that coaches have. Add all that up, you're well up over 80 minutes. That's an hour and 20 minutes of no action. More money for them, more boredom for us. Not to mention the 4th quarter slogfest it usually is. Games typically last 2 1/2 hours, but if you did the math of it all, over half of it is not action. That's just sad.

Or you could go simple. 48 minutes is actual play time. If it's 2.5 hours long, that's 1:45 of down time.

 

[Strenuus]

Or you could go simple. 48 minutes is actual play time. If it's 2.5 hours long, that's 1:45 of down time.

IT NEEDS TO BE ITOMIZED DAMNIT!!!!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Let's go the other way and move the FT line out more 3 feet!

The plain truth is that about 80% of high school students can shoot FTs better than DJ - and that matters, and it should.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

boohoo i cant hit a free throw so the rules should be changed! how about you are paid to be good, learn to make a free throw

 

[rasheedfan2005]

i havent touched a basketball in 3 years and i guarantee i could shoot deandre jordan percentage. especially if you were paying me millions wheter or not they went in, that's zero pressure.

 

[BigGameDamian]

So you're down 2 with 9 seconds left and the shot clock off and they inbounds... Defense will win you the game? You expect a steal every time? They do all the defense on the full court press, after that, it's over. So there was your only rebuddle.

That is not what I'm talking about. Say your down 6 with 3 minutes left and you go to hack-a-Jordan every time? Thats not trying to win by team defense. So they go to hack-a-Jordan or whomever to prove that one person can hit his free throws and keep the lead for his team.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I would also be ok with letting a coach substitute his free throw shooter after he gets fouled two times in a row and goes to the line. That way this wouldn't happen.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The whole purpose of a rule and a penalty is to discourage an action. If the penalty is insufficient to discourage the specified action, then the penalty needs to be altered.

It's not changing the rules to benefit the shooter; it's changing the rules because the penalty is not enough of a deterrant to the fouler

 

[barfo]

This is an easy problem to fix. Change the rules so that the player shooting the free throw has a 3 second shooting clock starting when he gets the ball. No requirement that anyone line up in any particular fashion. Player receives the ball from ref as soon as he's in position. If he's not in position in a certain amount of time, free throws are cancelled and ball goes to other team.

barfo

 

[H.C.]

Poor free throw shooting is poor basketball fundamentals.

I am, and will always be against making the game easier for players who have poor basketball fundamentals.
I am, and will always be for rewarding players who have solid basketball fundamentals.

Work on your craft, don't just rely on dunking, or for the refs/nba exe's to bail you out.
You get paid to play basketball. Play the game, work on your fundamentals.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Poor free throw shooting is poor basketball fundamentals.

I am, and will always be against making the game easier for players who have poor basketball fundamentals.
I am, and will always be for rewarding players who have solid basketball fundamentals.

Work on your craft, don't just rely on dunking, or for the refs/nba exe's to bail you out.
You get paid to play basketball. Play the game, work on your fundamentals.

Could actually be said for both sides.

 

[WarriorFan]

I'd much prefer they go the other way on this. When you are in the bonus, a non shooting foul is 1 and 1. Fouls at the end of college games are exciting as hell. Plus, if the argument is that all this fouling rarely affects the outcome, switching to 1 and 1 can definitely change that. Once you get to 10 fouls, then they can shoot 2. Maybe if you get to 15 fouls the coach can choose someone else to shoot, like on a technical foul.

 

[BBert]

That is not what I'm talking about. Say your down 6 with 3 minutes left and you go to hack-a-Jordan every time? Thats not trying to win by team defense. So they go to hack-a-Jordan or whomever to prove that one person can hit his free throws and keep the lead for his team.

I completely disagree. That is a legitimate defensive strategy. The object of defense is to disrupt the other team's flow, and to keep the other team from scoring, is it not? Let me answer that. Yes, it is.

 

[BBert]

I would also be ok with letting a coach substitute his free throw shooter after he gets fouled two times in a row and goes to the line. That way this wouldn't happen.

I'm glad you aren't in charge.

 

[BBert]

Poor free throw shooting is poor basketball fundamentals.

I am, and will always be against making the game easier for players who have poor basketball fundamentals.
I am, and will always be for rewarding players who have solid basketball fundamentals.

Work on your craft, don't just rely on dunking, or for the refs/nba exe's to bail you out.
You get paid to play basketball. Play the game, work on your fundamentals.

I agree.

The game is basketball. The object of the game is to put the basketball through the basketball hoop.

If a player cannot put the basketball through the basketball hoop, said player is the detriment to the game, not the strategy of exposing said player's inability to do so.

I find the whole idea of not permitting teams to defend their hoop by exposing their opponent's inability to score to be mind numbingly misguided.

If a player can't go left, you force them to go left. If a player can't shoot, you force them to shoot, or to shoot from a location from which they are less efficient. It happens all game long.

It's called "defense".

 

[BigGameDamian]

I would love to see a Houston vs. Clippers series. At the end of the game we get to see the Clippers do a Hack-A-Howard and the Rockets do a Hack-A-Jordan.

 

[BBert]

That would be epic (fail) and must see TV.

 

[Strenuus]

That is not what I'm talking about. Say your down 6 with 3 minutes left and you go to hack-a-Jordan every time? Thats not trying to win by team defense. So they go to hack-a-Jordan or whomever to prove that one person can hit his free throws and keep the lead for his team.

I don't even know if you know what you're talking about. *facepalm*

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I think white guys should start game with 1 point so they feel like they contributed.

 

[WillG]

You should be able to intentionally foul - but only if the player has the ball.
Where's the skill in walking up to some player just standing there and 'fouling him'.
If a team has put themselves in a poor position to win the game, then it shouldn't be that easy to bail themselves out.
If they don't want the best free throw shooter on the other team to have theball - then they're going to have to play some defense.

Make the intentional foul receiver have to have the ball, and limit it to the last 2 mins - otherwise you'll get smart-ass coaches ruining the whole of the 4th quarter - in time.

 

[RipCityBlazer]

The fact that has to even be discussed is mind boggling to me. If you have the talent to play in the NBA you should be able to shoot free throws. I actually enjoy seeing guys miss free throws and I love seeing DeAndre Jordan get pissed off when he gets intentionally fouled over and over again. How can you fix it? Work on your damn free throws dude.

 

[RipCityBlazer]

Let's go the other way and move the FT line out more 3 feet!

The plain truth is that about 80% of high school students can shoot FTs better than DJ - and that matters, and it should.

Exactly. I don't believe this guy works on his free throws as much as he should. If he was putting in the work and time he would be putting up a higher percentage. Its a damn free throw. Plus, didn't the Blazers win a game in LA by doing this strategy? I love it.