Condo vs. House

[julius]

yeah, i'm sure they end up eating a chili's whenever they're hungry too. Face it, the type of person who lives in a downtown condo is very different than a person who wants to live in an "upscale suburban neighborhood".

why does it have to be an "upscale suburban neighborhood"?

not all suburban neighborhoods are upscale. Hell, some of them are barely scale, let alone upscale.

priorities are different. if you buy in for location, you're buying in for the convenience for what the area offers. downtown, you have culture, nightlife, and ease of access to the lively sections of town. In the burbs, you're there for space, convenience, good schools and "safety".

ah, the old "safety" in quotes, which we all know means "whites don't want blacks/minorities near them so they move to the suburbs".

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

yeah. its true. Suburbs = teh whiteness. Its clean and washed for the masses. days spent at the mini-mall. nights spent at home.

In Portland, the suburbs are a vast array of intel engineers in mini-mcmansions obsessing over granite countertops, sub zeros and stainless steel BBQ grills.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

also, the houses in the burbs are generally ugly as fuck unless they were build pre-1970. They are ghastly creatures of oppulence that just look shitty. IMO.

 

[MickZagger]

also, the houses in the burbs are generally ugly as fuck unless they were build pre-1970. They are ghastly creatures of oppulence that just look shitty. IMO.

You've been hanging in Hillsboro way too much. Track houses are for sure ugly. The same person has the same exact setup 2 houses down.

 

[julius]

yeah. its true. Suburbs = teh whiteness. Its clean and washed for the masses. days spent at the mini-mall. nights spent at home.

In Portland, the suburbs are a vast array of intel engineers in mini-mcmansions obsessing over granite countertops, sub zeros and stainless steel BBQ grills.

you have an odd definition of suburbs. I grew up in the suburb, and my parents house wasn't a mini-mcmansion, didn't have granite countertops, and didn't have a stainless steel anything. No one in our neighborhood did either, and no one I knew from school did either.

Maybe where YOU grew up in the suburb (what, the west hills? private school-palooza?) that was an issue, but the rest of the suburbs are not near that.

 

[julius]

also, the houses in the burbs are generally ugly as fuck unless they were build pre-1970. They are ghastly creatures of oppulence that just look shitty. IMO.

The worst part of the population boom was the houses where all the trees were cut down (on hillsides) and the houses were all the same. And then the people complain when their houses slide when it rains.

my personal favorite part of Portland is parts of sellwood and parts of NE. Wide flat streets, lots of parks and old old houses.

maybe you are defining suburban different then me.

 

[MickZagger]

you have an odd definition of suburbs. I grew up in the suburb, and my parents house wasn't a mini-mcmansion, didn't have granite countertops, and didn't have a stainless steel anything. No one in our neighborhood did either, and no one I knew from school did either.

Maybe where YOU grew up in the suburb (what, the west hills? private school-palooza?) that was an issue, but the rest of the suburbs are not near that.

He has said he went to Jesuit.

Im much more of a city person as well, its where I spent most of my youth. But, the main reason why families decide to move to burbs is because they want a better atmoshphere for their kids.

 

[julius]

He has said he went to Jesuit.

oh? maybe I missed that. I don't remember a lot of what I read. In one eye, out the other.

having not gone to Jesuit, I don't know if it's true or not, but I would suspect it's more upper class then the average suburban school in the region.

Im much more of a city person as well, its where I spent most of my youth. But, the main reason why families decide to move to burbs is because they want a better atmoshphere for their kids.

 

[maxiep]

yeah. its true. Suburbs = teh whiteness. Its clean and washed for the masses. days spent at the mini-mall. nights spent at home.

In Portland, the suburbs are a vast array of intel engineers in mini-mcmansions obsessing over granite countertops, sub zeros and stainless steel BBQ grills.

Bad news for you: all of Portland = teh whiteness, urban or suburban.

 

[THE HCP]

Bad news for you: all of Portland = teh whiteness, urban or suburban.

Not my neighborhood FAMS!

 

[maxiep]

Not my neighborhood FAMS!

Dude, if I put your neighborhood in some of the neighborhoods I've lived in--SE DC, Alphabet City in NY or the South Side of Chicago--you'd know how cracker Portland is.

 

[THE HCP]

Dude, if I put your neighborhood in some of the neighborhoods I've lived in--SE DC, Alphabet City in NY or the South Side of Chicago--you'd know how cracker Portland is.

I here ya. I didn't realize that the only black people in the whole state lived in my neighborhood growing up. Actually it still catches me off guard a little when I'm in D.C. or Atlanta somewhere and there are so many people of color out n about, movies, restraunts whatever.

 

[maxiep]

I here ya. I didn't realize that the only black people in the whole state lived in my neighborhood growing up. Actually it still catches me off guard a little when I'm in D.C. or Atlanta somewhere and there are so many people of color out n about, movies, restraunts whatever.

I'll never forget when I first moved to DC. I needed some groceries, so I headed out to the local Safeway on SE Kentucky Ave around 2 AM. I picked up what I needed and am standing in line (it was packed for some reason). Something didn't quite feel right, put I couldn't put my finger on it. Suddenly, I figured it out: Out of the 50-80 people in the supermarket, I was the only white person. And my next thought was, "So this is what it feels like to be a minority..." Hell, I grew up in lily white LO, where the only black people were Blazers. Now, I don't think twice about it, but back then it blew my mind.

 

[maxiep]

And for the record, xericx, the same people living in the Pearl will be living in the 'burbs after they get married and have kids. The people that live in those fake loft districts are exactly like the people living in the suburbs, they're just at a different stage.

 

[THE HCP]

^ Hey I would LOVE to live down in one of those fake lofts if I was single!

 

[maxiep]

^ Hey I would LOVE to live down in one of those fake lofts if I was single!

Me too. My problem is I was lucky enough to live in a couple of real lofts in the Lower East Side in NY and Printer's Row in Chicago. You don't know happiness until you install a hoop at regulation height inside your apartment and shoot hoops after stumbling home drunk from a bar.

 

[THE HCP]

Me too. My problem is I was lucky enough to live in a couple of real lofts in the Lower East Side in NY and Printer's Row in Chicago. You don't know happiness until you install a hoop at regulation height inside your apartment and shoot hoops after stumbling home drunk from a bar.

That would be so dope! Always wanted glass garage door I could roll up in the summer on one end and a brick wall on the other! A hoop would be kick ass!

 

[maxiep]

That would be so dope! Always wanted glass garage door I could roll up in the summer on one end and a brick wall on the other! A hoop would be kick ass!

In my place in Chicago, I was even able to duct tape a regulation key on the concrete floor. They can be unsettling places to live, however, because the space is so big and the ceilings are so high. The only room with walls is the bathroom. I never had a closet, so all my stuff was on display. Still, I loved it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And for the record, xericx, the same people living in the Pearl will be living in the 'burbs after they get married and have kids. The people that live in those fake loft districts are exactly like the people living in the suburbs, they're just at a different stage.

yeah, like I said they have different priorities in life at those points. there's probably a point where the fast life gets to you and you want to "settle down" into the burbs.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The worst part of the population boom was the houses where all the trees were cut down (on hillsides) and the houses were all the same. And then the people complain when their houses slide when it rains.

my personal favorite part of Portland is parts of sellwood and parts of NE. Wide flat streets, lots of parks and old old houses.

maybe you are defining suburban different then me.

suburbs in portland are outlying areas. Sellwood and NE Portland wouldn't be "the burbs".

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburb

In the United States, suburbs have a prevalence of usually detached[9] single-family homes.[10]

Zoning patterns that separate residential and commercial development, as well as different intensities and densities of development. Daily needs are not within walking distance of most homes.

Subdivisions carved from previously rural land into multiple-home developments built by a single real estate company. These subdivisions are often segregated by minute differences in home value, creating entire communities where family incomes and demographics are almost completely homogeneous.[citation needed].

Shopping malls and strip malls behind large parking lots instead of a classic downtown shopping district.

A road network designed to conform to a hierarchy, including culs-de-sac, leading to larger residential streets, in turn leading to large collector roads, in place of the grid pattern common to most central cities and pre-World War II suburbs.

A greater percentage of one-story administrative buildings than in urban areas.

A greater percentage of Whites and less percentage of citizens of other ethnic groups than in urban areas. Black suburbanization grew between 1970 and 1980 by 2.6% as a result of central city neighborhoods expanding into older neighborhoods vacated by whites.

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[Bob Dobalina]

I here ya. I didn't realize that the only black people in the whole state lived in my neighborhood growing up. Actually it still catches me off guard a little when I'm in D.C. or Atlanta somewhere and there are so many people of color out n about, movies, restraunts whatever.

Did/Do you live in Alameda?

 

[julius]

suburbs in portland are outlying areas. Sellwood and NE Portland wouldn't be "the burbs".

So is sw and nw "the burbs"?

Or tigard, gresham, troutdale or hillsboro?

 

[julius]

Btw, I want to say I personally wouldn't want to live in a rich part of any town, (I skimmed over that phrasing).

That's probably the basis for my misunderstanding of the question.


Does anyone know the demographics of the condo areas vs the suburb areas in question? I dont know why one would be much different then the other

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So is sw and nw "the burbs"?

Or tigard, gresham, troutdale or hillsboro?

Tigard, Tualtin, Gresham, NW Portland past the hills, parts of SW portland, Hillsburrito, Beaverton, Clackamas, etc. Anyplace with large neighborhoods. do you really need an explanation what the "suburbs" are?

there's a stereotype of a suburban lifestyle vs. a downtown lifestyle.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Btw, I want to say I personally wouldn't want to live in a rich part of any town, (I skimmed over that phrasing).

That's probably the basis for my misunderstanding of the question.


Does anyone know the demographics of the condo areas vs the suburb areas in question? I dont know why one would be much different then the other

right now, if I was in Portland and had to get a house, I'd live in South East near hawthorne or something or the emerging parts of NE portland. The neighborhoods have a more earthy/living vibe to them. Maybe later in life, as I stated, when you want to settle down...the burbs have an appeal where you can wear some cheesy tommy bahama shirts and drink brews while BBQ'ing and not want to be bothered by the "city folk"

 

[julius]

Tigard, Tualtin, Gresham, NW Portland past the hills, parts of SW portland, Hillsburrito, Beaverton, Clackamas, etc. Anyplace with large neighborhoods. do you really need an explanation what the "suburbs" are?

there's a stereotype of a suburban lifestyle vs. a downtown lifestyle.

Your view of suburban is different the mine, that's all. My parents house was nothing nice but apparently they lived in the suburbs you look down upon. But my parents never had new cars (the last new car my father had was 40 years ago) and he kept his last car for 24 years. Not because he loved it, but because he could not afford a newer one. We couldn't afford to go to a private school nor have a car bought for us when in high school. They had the original plywood kitchen cabinets from when the house was built in the late 50's up until a few years ago (and they've owned their home for over 40 years now).

Your view of suburban life is different then mine, thus why I'm clarifying.

The nicest house in their neighborhood isn't anything close to a McMansion. the newest house in their area is probably from 1962. and *omfg* there are black people there and mexicans too!! and not just doing yard work (the only one in their neighborhood that currently has yw done is the family that owns a landscaping business.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Your view of suburban is different the mine, that's all. My parents house was nothing nice but apparently they lived in the suburbs you look down upon. But my parents never had new cars (the last new car my father had was 40 years ago) and he kept his last car for 24 years. Not because he loved it, but because he could not afford a newer one. We couldn't afford to go to a private school nor have a car bought for us when in high school. They had the original plywood kitchen cabinets from when the house was built in the late 50's up until a few years ago (and they've owned their home for over 40 years now).

Your view of suburban life is different then mine, thus why I'm clarifying.

The nicest house in their neighborhood isn't anything close to a McMansion. the newest house in their area is probably from 1962. and *omfg* there are black people there and mexicans too!! and not just doing yard work (the only one in their neighborhood that currently has yw done is the family that owns a landscaping business.

Do your parents live in Detroit?

 

[julius]

Do your parents live in Detroit?

Nope, portland.