Congratulations, Insurance Companies and Big Pharm

[chris_in_pdx]

You've won. Health Care reform and a possible National Health Care initiative by the government is dead. Again. Just like in the 90's, you successfully squashed any and all attempts are reigning in your ultimate power in deciding the lives and deaths of millions of Americans. Insurance companies continue to rape massive profits from the American people while providing less and less coverage, and Big Pharm continues its stranglehold on the Health Culture of this country by promoting/forcing more and more pills down our throats to "make our lives better" (and their shareholder's dividend fatter).

Fairly soon, Health Care in this country will be a privilage of the rich, and the middle class/poor will have to rely on the butcher shop scraps of the health care industry and whatever third-rate medications that the industry delegates to the generic black market.

Once again, Money Talks and we all pay.

 

[Denny Crane]

The pharmaceutical lobby was for the Bill.

The Bill mandated that people buy insurance from the insurance companies. I think they do pretty well without that kind of help, don't you?

 

[maxiep]

Um, you mean they lost, right? Both were supporters of the bill because they were paid off by the Obama Administration.

The winners tonight were the American People who don't have a bureaucrat standing between them and their doctor deciding what kind of healthcare we can receive.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

why do you hate america

 

[maxiep]

why do you hate america

A people forced to serve their government isn't America. It's the other way around.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

The winners tonight were the American People who don't have a bureaucrat standing between them and their doctor deciding what kind of healthcare we can receive.

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I wonder what the weather is like in your fantasy world.

Bureaucrats don't just work for the government you know.

 

[blazerboy30]

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I wonder what the weather is like in your fantasy world.

Please highlight which parts of the healthcare bills that would have made overall healthcare spending decrease. Please detail the points in the bills that would have resulted in reduced insurance company profits.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Please highlight which parts of the healthcare bills that would have made overall healthcare spending decrease. Please detail the points in the bills that would have resulted in reduced insurance company profits.

The current bill? None, because the Democrats are no better, they compromised and bargained away everything that could have been beneficial to the American people and what we are left with is a flat-out gift to Big Insurance and Big Pharm. Maybe it's a blessing that it'll be killed once and for all.

There's no one in government anymore that looks out for the Common American. It's all about whose lining their pocket, and that goes for both parties. Us true progressives have at least one thing in common with the Tea Baggers: government doesn't represent us anymore, and hasn't for a long time. All we get is bullshit talk and no action, at least none for us, plenty for Big Corp and Fat Cats.

 

[blazerboy30]

The current bill? None, because the Democrats are no better, they compromised and bargained away everything that could have been beneficial to the American people and what we are left with is a flat-out gift to Big Insurance and Big Pharm. Maybe it's a blessing that it'll be killed once and for all.

So we agree that you starting this thread was completely retarded.

 

[Sug]

A people forced to serve their government isn't America. It's the other way around.

Acirema?

 

[Sug]

The bill can still pass as is from the senate, and really the Dems have no other option. If they run from the reform they got nothing.

 

[ABM]

Acirema?

racecar

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

A people forced to serve their government isn't America. It's the other way around.

rep'd

That is a very profound saying.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

The bill can still pass as is from the senate, and really the Dems have no other option. If they run from the reform they got nothing.

There's nothing now. My OP was a lament that nothing good came from this whole endeavor. It was a waste of time to distract us from the real issue, the further inverting of the financial pyramid and the continued movement of the United States to a corporate-dominated totaliarian state like in "Rollerball".

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

You've won. Health Care reform and a possible National Health Care initiative by the government is dead. Again. Just like in the 90's, you successfully squashed any and all attempts are reigning in your ultimate power in deciding the lives and deaths of millions of Americans. Insurance companies continue to rape massive profits from the American people while providing less and less coverage, and Big Pharm continues its stranglehold on the Health Culture of this country by promoting/forcing more and more pills down our throats to "make our lives better" (and their shareholder's dividend fatter).

Fairly soon, Health Care in this country will be a privilage of the rich, and the middle class/poor will have to rely on the butcher shop scraps of the health care industry and whatever third-rate medications that the industry delegates to the generic black market.

Once again, Money Talks and we all pay.

I disagree.

First, the health care bill may still go thru as the socialists have planned for.

Second, there's a reason why the majority of the population do not support this bill and rather want real health care reform. This election confirms that. There are so many better ways to reform health care- why not use one of them?

 

[maxiep]

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I wonder what the weather is like in your fantasy world.

Bureaucrats don't just work for the government you know.

Funny. That's exactly who bureaucrats work for. As for the fantasy world in which I lived, it was Washington, DC, for almost a decade. Do you have any idea what kind of bubble that place is? Well-meaning people who want to make a difference get captured by the system all the time.

The bottom line is that my health and the care I receive is none of the government's business. It's between me and my physician. If I want a second opinion, I'll ask for it.

 

[Eastoff]

Funny. That's exactly who bureaucrats work for. As for the fantasy world in which I lived, it was Washington, DC, for almost a decade. Do you have any idea what kind of bubble that place is? Well-meaning people who want to make a difference get captured by the system all the time.

The bottom line is that my health and the care I receive is none of the government's business. It's between me and my physician. If I want a second opinion, I'll ask for it.

This is me asking for a second opinion from the health insurance companies.

 

[maxiep]

This is me asking for a second opinion from the health insurance companies.

There are plenty of health insurance companies. If you don't like the one you have, change it. There's only one government. When they say "no", that's it. You can't even pay for it on your own.

 

[yakbladder]

I disagree.

First, the health care bill may still go thru as the socialists have planned for.

Second, there's a reason why the majority of the population do not support this bill and rather want real health care reform. This election confirms that. There are so many better ways to reform health care- why not use one of them?

BP, I don't know what's happened to you in the last few months but you've become uber-polarized.

If you think socialists would support the bill as it is, then I think you need to go back and study up. There is barely anything in that bill that would support a socialist. How about a little more fact checking and a little less name calling?

 

[maxiep]

BP, I don't know what's happened to you in the last few months but you've become uber-polarized.

If you think socialists would support the bill as it is, then I think you need to go back and study up. There is barely anything in that bill that would support a socialist. How about a little more fact checking and a little less name calling?

Why? That bill wasn't only the first step to a single-payer system, but it built the slippery slope. All you have to do is play out the end game. Think chess not checkers.

 

[Eastoff]

Why? That bill wasn't only the first step to a single-payer system, but it built the slippery slope. All you have to do is play out the end game. Think chess not checkers.

wouldn't regulation be the first step to a single payer system? your argument is very gray. IMO the first step to single payer system, is a single payer system.

 

[maxiep]

wouldn't regulation be the first step to a single payer system? your argument is very gray. IMO the first step to single payer system, is a single payer system.

Forcing insurance companies to cover everyone while allowing a massive loophole in the form of a cheap penalty. Forcing people to take a public option if they changed their insurance or didn't choose the right kind of insurance. The intent was to make private insurance so expensive (look up "moral hazard") that the insurance companies would go out of business, leaving such a mess only the government could come in and "save" it. And, voila, you have single-payer through the back door.

 

[MARIS61]

There are plenty of health insurance companies. If you don't like the one you have, change it. There's only one government. When they say "no", that's it. You can't even pay for it on your own.

Do you even read your posts before you hit submit?

 

[MARIS61]

The failure of the Senate and House to provide any real reform that will change the absurd cost of healthcare in America is bad news now, good news later.

This will be the #1 issue until we have universal healthcare in America. It's not going to go away, because disease and death and pain and anguish are daily reminders that some very despicable people are getting filthy rich off the suffering of good people.

Whether Obama get's another term or not, Hillary Clinton is 100% guaranteed to be his successor.

Republicans have pissed away any chance they had for the office in this decade over an issue they are destined to lose anyway, eventually.

 

[MARIS61]

Why? That bill wasn't only the first step to a single-payer system, but it built the slippery slope. All you have to do is play out the end game. Think chess not checkers.

Think compassion, not conspiracy.

It might help to take off your tin foil hat.

 

[MARIS61]

There are plenty of health insurance companies. If you don't like the one you have, change it.

Funny thing is, they (the insurance companies) refuse to allow anyone to do that unless they are certified 100% healthy.

That's one of the things we're trying to reform.

Maybe you should actually learn what it's all about, then post.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Why? That bill wasn't only the first step to a single-payer system, but it built the slippery slope. All you have to do is play out the end game. Think chess not checkers.

That's it man! Game over! Game over, man!

Seriously. Is everything a slippery slope for you?

 

[maxiep]

That's it man! Game over! Game over, man!

Seriously. Is everything a slippery slope for you?

Okay. Where do you think it stops? Please provide your reasoning. You should also ask yourself the question why the Democrats were so anxious to get anything passed, it didn't matter what was in the bill.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

BP, I don't know what's happened to you in the last few months but you've become uber-polarized.

If you think socialists would support the bill as it is, then I think you need to go back and study up. There is barely anything in that bill that would support a socialist. How about a little more fact checking and a little less name calling?

That's a good point.

Also, I love the word "uber".

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Funny thing is, they (the insurance companies) refuse to allow anyone to do that unless they are certified 100% healthy.

That's one of the things we're trying to reform.

Maybe you should actually learn what it's all about, then post.

Needless to say, you're wrong- and know it. Honestly, for a reasonably intelligent person, you sure do post things you know to be untrue.

Health carriers take a large percentage of new insureds with pre existing conditions, My daughter got good health care with an illness that costs the new carrier $2,000,000 in 2 years.