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Just a little blurb from a Toronto blog:

I've also heard rumours that Portland is after Rudy Gay and Mike Conley, Greg Odens buddy.
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What's interesting is Wheels mentioned the other day on his radio show that he thinks the Blazers are going after Rudy Gay (and not Amare). Could there be something to this?
 
If so, I love Chris Wallace. I would assume untouchables are Roy, Rudy, LMA, and Oden. I'm not sure if Memphis would want Bayless with Mayo in the back court...they'd probably want someone more like sergio...Sergio and Marc Gasol connection. Outlaw would probably be gone as would the RELC and probably one or two other guys.
 
If we can get them for parts, I would be all over it. Rudy Gay is the fucking champ.
 
nm, we'd have to do some crazy salary matching to make it work....if it happens, I say Rudy and Sergio are gone.

Checked ESPN Trade Checker,

Sergio, Rudy and Outlaw for Conley and Gay.

Addition by subtraction. I'd do it I think.
 
I like Rudy Gay, but I can't give up on Rudy Fernandez yet!
 
If we could just do GAy that would be awesome. Bayless is better than Conley, and so is Blake. And I think Bayless will forever be better than Conley. But I'd def trade Rudy and even Batum for Gay along with Outlaw and whoever outside of the core-4.

I would love a lineup of Bayless, Roy, Gay, Aldridge and Oden... damn... bench of... Blake, Rudy, Batum/Webster, Outlaw, Pryz or whoever we don't trade.
 
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Can't we give them sergio, Trout, rlec, ike and shiv/shav and some picks, for Gay and some Ref love?
 
as long as there's so much irrational gay love around here i have to keep harping on this. considering his reputation gay is one of the most overrated players in the entire league. he's a volume shooter who plays little perimeter defense, is an underacheiving rebounder, turns the ball over way too much, and hasn't shown anything resembling the leadership qualities a team's best player should. he's not better than outlaw right now, and batum may have just as much upside and is 2 1/2 years younger. gay would add very little that we don't already have, and he's gonna want a near-max deal in a year. considering it would take either aldridge (or something franchise-crippling like bayless/rudy/draft picks/take back bad contracts) to get him, he makes NO SENSE.
 
craigehlo said:
Wow. The overvalue of Travis Outlaw has now hit an all time high on this board.
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you mean the overvalue of gay. i've watch him play 20+ games this year. he may have more upside but right now he's not a better all-around player or contributer than outlaw.
 
Outlaw isn't that great! He kicks ass 60% of the time on offense, and 20% of the time on defense.
That's not even 100%!1111!1!!ONEONEoneone! lol
 
crowTrobot said:
you mean the overvalue of gay. i've watch him play 20+ games this year. he may have more upside but right now he's not a better all-around player or contributer than outlaw.
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18.8 /Reb 5.7 /Ast 1.7 are solid numbers from a 3rd year player.

This biggest difference between them is between the ears. Outlaw doesn't look to pass much and has fallen in love with the jumpshot. Gay would really help this team dictate the temp and stop the slow starts.
 
craigehlo said:
18.8 /Reb 5.7 /Ast 1.7 are solid numbers from a 3rd year player.
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14.85 PER, .521 TS%, .093 rebound rate, 2.9 turnovers/game, -6 net on/offcourt are pretty crappy numbers for a player that would take major pieces to get and that will want a near-max extension this fall.

This biggest difference between them is between the ears.
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that's debatable.

Outlaw doesn't look to pass much and has fallen in love with the jumpshot.
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outlaw has a higher assist rate this year.

Gay would really help this team dictate the temp and stop the slow starts.
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no more than starting rudy f. and having roy guard the SF would.
 
Jesus Christ!

Does anyone here ever read other team pages or papers?

Rudy Gay is blasted because he won't play defense.

If you look at PER by position, SF is the weakest position on Memphis.

And before last nights debacle, Travis had a higher PER than Gay.
 
Dear Chris Wallace:

Rudy Gay sucks. He's overrated and probably will never recover his top-notch prospect status.

Yours truly,

Ed O.

P.S. Please trade Rudy Gay to Portland immediately.
 
this works...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cjqnyr

We're left with this...

Blake/Conley
Roy/Bayless
Gay/Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Przybilla

of course, we also have Jaric and his 6.5m over 3 seasons. The biggest concern is left with our undersized 2nd unit. TBH, if we did pull something like this, I would have to think Amare would be included in a 3 team deal. The suns probably could be bought off for a cheaper price than Memphis given Sarver's track record of being the cheapest in the league.
 
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roydezlaw said:
Jesus Christ!

Does anyone here ever read other team pages or papers?

Rudy Gay is blasted because he won't play defense.

If you look at PER by position, SF is the weakest position on Memphis.

And before last nights debacle, Travis had a higher PER than Gay.
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If I was to base my opinion of players strictly off of forums, blogs and papers then there would likely be only 20 legit players in the NBA and the rest would be scrubs who should be thanking god they aren't playing in the Latvian pro-am league.

As for Rudy Gay specifically I can't comment on him based on this season because I've only seen him play 3 times, so maybe he really has fallen off and sucks a big fat one, but I have to seriously wonder if part of his woes haven't been the utter disaster that coaching staff has been during his brief career; have the Grizzlies actually been doing their best job at developing all that young talent simultaneously? I don't know if there is any way to answer that question satisfactorily, but if I was a betting man I'd wager Rudy's best days are ahead of him and not behind him.

The PER comparison is interesting, but I don't think it really tells you the whole story about how a player gets their points. In Travis' case I know his numbers are skewed heavily by his reliance on the corner three pointer and the fact that he's hitting it at a very good clip this year, take that away and I seriously wonder if Travis would have a PER higher than 11. :dunno:

It doesn't really matter, I can't imagine Memphis would be in any great hurry to dump Gay unless there was some pretty substantial talent coming back and major cap relief
 
Rudy Gay has 10x more talent and upside than Outlaw. Comparing the two is just foolish imo.
 
i think Gay and Luol Deng are experiencing the same problems. there should be no doubt that they are very, very good players and have shown even more potential. but their situations w/ each team has been disastrous.

OJ Mayo has been a drain on Gay and i think Rose and Gordon never can help w/ Deng.

i'd love to have either one on the Blazers. each is a bona fide starter.
 
free_lafrentz said:
this works...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cjqnyr

We're left with this...

Blake/Conley
Roy/Bayless
Gay/Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Przybilla

of course, we also have Jaric and his 6.5m over 3 seasons. The biggest concern is left with our undersized 2nd unit.
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in terms of production vs. cost rudy f. is one of the most valuable bargain players in the entire league, we have him locked up for at least 3 more years at peanuts, the fans LOVE him, and he seems to be a great fit with roy. i seriously doubt we'd even consider including him for anything short of a superstar deal, which gay/conley certainly is not.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If I was to base my opinion of players strictly off of forums, blogs and papers then there would likely be only 20 legit players in the NBA and the rest would be scrubs who should be thanking god they aren't playing in the Latvian pro-am league.
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We agree about that.

There was a knock on Gay coming out of UCONN about his attitude and it has to be a concern when he's not giving his all for the team he's on.

With his size and athletic abilities...being on a bad team...he should be dominating the league.
 
RoyToy said:
Rudy Gay has 10x more talent and upside than Outlaw. Comparing the two is just foolish imo.
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I wasn't comparing them.

Rudy Gay was a gifted basketball player that suceeded in one of the best college programs in the nation that was drafted as a franchise player.

He's on a bad team.

Travis Outlaw was a raw high school basketball player that was drafted as a project.

He's on a good team.

Rudy Gays PER should be so much higher than Travis but it's not.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The PER comparison is interesting, but I don't think it really tells you the whole story about how a player gets their points. In Travis' case I know his numbers are skewed heavily by his reliance on the corner three pointer and the fact that he's hitting it at a very good clip this year, take that away and I seriously wonder if Travis would have a PER higher than 11. :dunno:
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outlaw shot pretty well from 3 most of last year too. no reason to think it's not something he'll continue to do.

gay doesn't take quite as many 3's, but he does similarly live off of jumpshots, and actually averages less FT per possession than outlaw.
 
Look at what Conley has been doing since Iavoroni was fired. Some folks might view it as showcasing him, but the change is quite dramatic.
 
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