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Or not, school shootings and violent crime has been on a steady decline since the 1970s... but media coverage has gone up.

Yeah the local news details every violent crime but they skip the thousands of feelgood stories out there.

This case is different; a kindergarden killing spree would be the top story in any time period.
 
Just got this email from our school district.

December 14, 2012
To: All Tigard-Tualatin Families

In light of the Clackamas Town Center shooting on Tuesday and the Newtown Connecticut elementary school shooting this morning, our schools have received several phone calls from parents concerned about safety and wanting to know how to talk to their children about these incidents.

Student safety is our highest priority. Even though we have strong procedures in place, we are continuing to be extra vigilant about security in all of our schools. We practice lockout and lockdown procedures so our teachers and students will know how to respond in those situations. We also have a strong police presence in our buildings thanks to our School Resource Officers and to our partnerships with the Tigard and Tualatin police departments.

If your child is asking about these incidents or expresses fear, experts say you should talk to them about it. (If your child is not worried or wanting to talk, it’s important for parents to refrain from expressing their own fears.) Below are some tips on Talking to Children about Traumatic Events adapted from advice by Naomi Zikmund-Fisher, a school crisis consultant:
 When violence, disaster or major accidents are in the news, it's often difficult to know what to say to your children. What follows are some general tips to help you help your children through whatever may be frightening them -- and you.


• As an adult, make sure you are ready emotionally to talk about this with children first.
• If your kids are discussing it, you need to discuss it. If you don't, you send the message that it is too horrible to discuss, and sometimes what kids imagine is worse than the facts.


• Stick to the facts. After an event, there may be lots of rumors and unfounded information. Stick to what is known and say "We don't know" for the questions that don't have answers.


• Emphasize that the crisis event is a big deal because it is unusual. Kids don't have the perspective we do as adults. Let them know that what makes the news is the rare, not the common.


• It is important to listen and not judge. Everyone deals with a crisis experience in their own way. Some kids don't want to talk about it and some kids do. Some kids may seem to be "inappropriate" in what they say. Respond to the feelings and not the content -- a kid who says, "That was so cool!" shouldn't be reprimanded. Just say, "I'm sure those people were really scared" or "I was scared when I heard about it."
• Children need you to model that it's okay to talk about the feelings. It is okay cry and be sad.


• When the main facts and feelings have come out, it's time to get on with your regular routine. It is not healthy for anyone to continue to dwell on a crisis for an extended period of time. Be mindful of the media flurry and monitor television time. 


• Short-term normal reactions include changes in appetite and sleep. It may also turn up in children's artwork and in conversations about other frightening or sad things they have experienced. All of these things should fade as time goes on. If they don't, you may wish to consult your pediatrician or someone in the mental health field.
 
kind of disturbing how many Adam Lanza accounts have popped up on facebook in the last couple of hours. What's wrong with people?

man its the same thing you see in online games..without personal, face to face interaction, it is like living in a cartoon world. They feel that they can say and do anything and suffer no penalty.
 
Both of the shooter's parents are dead and his girlfriend is missing.
 
"I don't know what we can do about it, but at least figuring out who they are would be a step in the right direction."

Well, we've figured it out -- they're us. I mean they're human. I mean, they're animals. I mean, they're subject, to greater and lesser extents, to their emotional experiences and uncritical beliefs.

Anyway, I like your idea of targeting the mentally ill. If more of us trained and carried concealed, greater chance these outbreaks would be nipped in the bud, so to speak.
 
Totally uncalled for post, and by a surprising source.

You're right, and I'm sorry. I'm just hot as hell over this situation, and I'm definitely not thinking straight. I'm sorry for being so crass and poorly thought out.
 
If the kids were carrying assault rifles this could have been prevented

Anyone that thinks gun laws don't need to be looked at is an idiot
 
...what about the early speculation of the "missing second shooter"? :dunno:
 
From a woman who works at the local hospital -

Catarina Rodrigues ‏@catarina026 A 7 yr old boy came up to me & asked if I ever saw anyone die. I said "yes, sadly". He holds my hand & says "I saw my best friend die today"
 
If you really want to talk about gun control, you need to look at factors such as race and gun violence. Blacks in America make up 13% of the population yet account for 57% of the gun related homicides. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm#orace There's something going on in that culture that glorifies guns and murder.

These crazy whites or asians doing these big shootings are outliers, meanwhile in the cities across america, its ingrained into the culture. Do you honestly believe there aren't more than 30 gun related homicides that will occur in the inner cities this weekend? It happens alot more than people think. This is just more spectacular and as I said, is an outlier...which is why it gets so much attention.

But this is obviously about white republicans in the NRA. :MARIS61:
 
Might have something to do with desperation and poverty, too, which has a correlation with racial divides (not necessarily causation, of course).
 
If you really want to talk about gun control, you need to look at factors such as race and gun violence. Blacks in America make up 13% of the population yet account for 57% of the gun related homicides. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm#orace There's something going on in that culture that glorifies guns and murder.

These crazy whites or asians doing these big shootings are outliers, meanwhile in the cities across america, its ingrained into the culture. Do you honestly believe there aren't more than 30 gun related homicides that will occur in the inner cities this weekend? It happens alot more than people think. This is just more spectacular and as I said, is an outlier...which is why it gets so much attention.

But this is obviously about white republicans in the NRA. :MARIS61:

I don't know where to begin with this. I think I'll just save myself grief and put you on ignore.
 
What he said:

And now it has happened again, bang, like clockwork, one might say: Twenty dead children—babies, really—in a kindergarten in a prosperous town in Connecticut. And a mother screaming. And twenty families told that their grade-schooler had died. After the Aurora killings, I did a few debates with advocates for the child-killing lobby—sorry, the gun lobby—and, without exception and with a mad vehemence, they told the same old lies: it doesn’t happen here more often than elsewhere (yes, it does); more people are protected by guns than killed by them (no, they aren’t—that’s a flat-out fabrication); guns don’t kill people, people do; and all the other perverted lies that people who can only be called knowing accessories to murder continue to repeat, people who are in their own way every bit as twisted and crazy as the killers that they defend. (That they are often the same people who pretend outrage at the loss of a single embryo only makes the craziness still crazier.)
 
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...it_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.
 
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...it_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.

I love the gun-defender's position.

1. Guns aren't more dangerous than a whole bunch of other things - if you want to kill someone else you don't need a gun!
2. You can't take away my gun! It's irreplaceable! How am I going to protect myself?
 
I love the gun-defender's position.

1. Guns aren't more dangerous than a whole bunch of other things - if you want to kill someone else you don't need a gun!
2. You can't take away my gun! It's irreplaceable! How am I going to protect myself?

My position is there are 80,000,000 gun owners in the country and a very small fraction of 1% of them are used in harmful ways.

The anti-gun position seems to be "a guy lost control of his car and hit 20 people so let's get rid of all the cars."
 
My position is there are 80,000,000 gun owners in the country and a very small fraction of 1% of them are used in harmful ways.

The anti-gun position seems to be "a guy lost control of his car and hit 20 people so let's get rid of all the cars."

If the only thing a car could do was kill or maim people, then you might be even close to correct.
 
what do you suggest rasta? i asked you this before, whats your answer to all of this?
 
I don't know where to begin with this. I think I'll just save myself grief and put you on ignore.


Well, u be ignant then! :MARIS61:

again, these are statistics of the breakdown of gun murders. of course you can't see this, but I could really give a flying fuck.

this incident is isolated. it is statistically insignificant. basically in the scheme of gun violence as a whole, its not even close to what the real problem is with guns in america. its just a crazy guy going off the deep end. the whole "ra ra ra..ban guns" is nothing more than feel good rhetoric.
 
If the only thing a car could do was kill or maim people, then you might be even close to correct.

Guns do a whole lot more than kill or maim people. There are 300,000,000 guns in the USA, but nowhere near 300,000,000 shootings.
 
Guns do a whole lot more than kill or maim people. There are 300,000,000 guns in the USA, but nowhere near 300,000,000 shootings.

what else do you use them for? What USE does a gun provide other than killing or maiming?
 

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