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Minstrel said:
Yeah, the Democrats tend to win between 85-92% of the black vote. 8-15% of the electorate (black voters who don't vote Democratic) is significant. There have always been black people (influential and otherwise) who claim that the "real racists" are the Democrats. I guess I'm not seeing the special significance to this, that hasn't been there for generations.
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The hoped-for-significance is that if these outliers are highlighted, maybe someone who would have voted democratic will decide not to vote.

Also, you know, the lines at the polls are sooooo long and both parties are the same and what's the point anyway, everything is controlled by corporations/the illuminati/aliens/Carol Baskin.

barfo
 
wizenheimer said:
disagree completely because I'm not talking about the particulars of crisis. I'm talking about national reaction and response to catastrophic disruptions in what was normal
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Well, okay then but what were the catastrophic circumstance of then and what did it force the average person to do?

I think that because we have changed so much, how we are able to spend our time being self sufficient has completely changed form then to now, this leaving people more vulnerable now with less ability to fend for themselves for a longer duration of time.

The particulars of the crisis determine the mobility of our economy. It it was a crisis of war, we would be kicking it in all gears right now.

The particulars of the crisis absolutely have an impact on how to respond.
 
Minstrel said:
Dr. Oz is a huckster who got sued for peddling random supplements as solutions to things they have no proven effect on.
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If that's true, then why isn't he Surgeon General, hmm? Something here smells fishy.

barfo
 
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It's judicious to put together plans and guidelines to reopen the economy...so everyone has as an idea of how it will work. It is reckless to prematurely instate those plans and cause thousands of unnecessary deaths.
 
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Chris Craig said:
It's judicious to put together plans and guidelines to reopen the economy...so everyone has as an idea of how it will work. It is reckless to prematurely instate those plans and cause thousands of unnecessary deaths.
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Not to worry, Trump is about to reveal THE PLAN. I have no doubt it will be detailed and well thought out, Jared does excellent work.

barfo
 
Chris Craig said:
I am confident that the majority of African Americans will vote Democrat in November...as long as they are allowed to vote by the Republicans.
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The Republicans got only 7% of the Black vote in 2016. Getting the black vote isn’t as important as Democrats getting theirs.
 
Chris Craig said:
It's judicious to put together plans and guidelines to reopen the economy...so everyone has as an idea of how it will work. It is reckless to prematurely instate those plans and cause thousands of unnecessary deaths.
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The reopening is just going to backfire. Just watch. Trump has to get the economy going to save his presidency though. It's the only way for him and he knows it. That's why he's fighting so hard.
 
Again, can we please keep this one thread about the coronavirus.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Well, okay then but what were the catastrophic circumstance of then and what did it force the average person to do?

I think that because we have changed so much, how we are able to spend our time being self sufficient has completely changed form then to now, this leaving people more vulnerable now with less ability to fend for themselves for a longer duration of time.

The particulars of the crisis determine the mobility of our economy. It it was a crisis of war, we would be kicking it in all gears right now.

The particulars of the crisis absolutely have an impact on how to respond.
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ok then...they didn't have the internet, cable TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube, or S2 back then. We have some advantage in particulars (although s2 might not be helping)

and while millions of GI's risked their lives fighting the Axis, now, millions of healthcare workers are risking their lives fighting covid

my main point though OB was that the country has only been on lockdown for a month, at most. Hell, Oregon's stay at home order wasn't in place till March 23...that's a week less than a month. People are acting like things have been locked down for 10 months. It's kind of loopy
 
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wizenheimer said:
ok then...they didn't have the internet, cable TV, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Youtube, or S2 back then. We have some advantage in particulars (although s2 might not be helping)

and while millions of GI's risked their lives fighting the Axis, now, millions of healthcare workers are risking their lives fighting covid

my main point though OB was that the country has only been on lockdown for a month, at most. Hell, Oregon's stay at home order wasn't in place till March 23...that's a week less than a month. People are acting like things have been locked down for 10 months. It's kind of loopy
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I gotcha. and my point is a month is alot longer now than it was back then because of people being more independent. More people grew their own food then and new how to work on their own house then. People were still able to be active and get their necessities handled on their own rather than relying on the economy or the government. So there for they were able to endure much longer.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I gotcha. and my point is a month is alot longer now than it was back then because of people being more independent. More people grew their own food then and new how to work on their own house then. People were still able to be active and get their necessities handled on their own rather than relying on the economy or the government. So there for they were able to endure much longer.
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I would disagree but then I remember that 6 hours with the in-laws on Thanksgiving day has seemed like 8.7 months
 
This is getting ridiculous. We can't stay locked down for a year or 18 months.

People are everywhere here. I'm working.

@Orion Bailey is right. There isn't any way for 330 million people in this country to survive without our economy. Very few of us can grow our own food even if we knew how.

There will be riots and it will not be pretty.

Let's have a nationwide vote and see what the people think.
 
More political games being played by congress DEMS & REPUB's in passing additional assistance.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
This is getting ridiculous. We can't stay locked down for a year or 18 months.

People are everywhere here. I'm working.

@Orion Bailey is right. There isn't any way for 330 million people in this country to survive without our economy. Very few of us can grow our own food even if we knew how.

There will be riots and it will not be pretty.

Let's have a nationwide vote and see what the people think.
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Pretty sweet economy coming if hundreds of thousands die
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
This is getting ridiculous. We can't stay locked down for a year or 18 months.

People are everywhere here. I'm working.

@Orion Bailey is right. There isn't any way for 330 million people in this country to survive without our economy. Very few of us can grow our own food even if we knew how.

There will be riots and it will not be pretty.

Let's have a nationwide vote and see what the people think.
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Polls suggest your viewpoint is in the minority for now.

barfo
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
435 thousand people died of malaria in 2017 and over 90 percent were in Africa.
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* so far, worldwide, the mortality rate of Covid-19 is 6.6% (5% in USA)

* the mortality rate of the flu is 0.1%

* the mortality rate of Malaria is 0.18%
 
calvin natt said:
Pretty sweet economy coming if hundreds of thousands die
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600 thousand die of heart disease every year. The hospitals are losing money as we speak.

People die every day.
wizenheimer said:
* so far, worldwide, the mortality rate of Covid-19 is 6.6% (5% in USA)

* the mortality rate of the flu is 0.1%

* the mortality rate of Malaria is 0.18%
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I don't believe those numbers for a second. When do you plan on testing the globe to find out the real number? 6 months? 12?
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
600 thousand die of heart disease every year. The hospitals are losing money as we speak.

People die every day.

I don't believe those numbers for a second. When do you plan on testing the globe to find out the real number? 6 months? 12?
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That’s irrelevant because our economy, our world, has that number baked into it already. We know people die and we plan for it. We do not plan for a surprised death toll in the hundreds of thousands if we open up too soon. If thousands and thousands of people die, they aren’t going to work. This hurts businesses. Or we keep people home longer, adapt as best we can, keep as many people alive as we can, have the government provide money in a smart way to businesses so they can keep paying people and come back when the time is right. If we have another stimulus bill that must be provided maybe next time Harvard, Yale and the like don’t get $14M when they have an endowment in the tens of Billions? Money should not be the issue. Doing stupid shit with it is the issue.

oh and also people who go protest and block traffic in front of hospitals should be run over.
 
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