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JoshuaHall said:
Well, unlike most people, I readily admit I HAVE NO IDEA.

And here’s why:

A majority of the issue, in my opinion, is that we have no fucking clue on a) how to contain it, b) how to prevent it and c) how to prevent it from reoccurring and d) the legislation passed doesn’t help many people.

As China, South Korea and pretty much every other country that has even attempted to slightly lift regulations has found out, it comes right back and starts infecting people.

This also doesn’t take into account what will happen when people can fly again.

We also don’t know if “herd immunity” will work.

And the idea that we could’ve been more prepared with tests is a false one, in my opinion. Everyone cites Germany, but they have something like 80 million people — and South Korea who has maybe 60 million — don’t quote me on that though.

When problems arise in larger territories and populations, the problems are exponential in their impact rather than a linear line.

In my opinion, it’s a no win situation for whoever was in charge.

THAT SAID...

Without getting into the politics of it all, neither party had/has the average persons “best” interest at heart given the bailouts and legislation passed.

For example, one independent candidate stated that if this was *really* about the people, you could’ve paid every family in America 5,000 for 3 months with that 2 trillion stimulus package rather than butchering it up and down the block to give a fraction of that as a one time payment. And before people scream socialism, this was a libertarian. If you’re gonna pass something like that, at least have it benefit the people.

That is just one example but their are many more.

It’s been apparent for at least 10-12 years that the parties are virtually identical and that we live in a Corporatocracy - in fact I did a thesis on this in college — then got into politics for a period of time.

Also, the media is doing absolutely no favors in “uniting” the country nor is it doing anything to help “reduce fear and panic.” If they reported *actually relevant* topics Trump never would’ve won the election to begin with, which is a whole new topic.

But I’ll say this... I would’ve trusted pretty much any random party outside of Republicans and Democrats to handle the LEGISLATION piece better as they aren’t beholden to corporations. (Funny how corporations donate massively to both parties, huh?)

The actual health piece I think is impossible given the size of our country and the amount of people.
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Lol typed this out on my phone and man that was longer than I thought

feeling like wizenheimer
 
magnifier661 said:
Lol I would assume no. Speaking of which, have you ever seen those Mexican Cartel assassinations? They literally fire like 20 rounds into the face. It’s said because they don’t want their families to have an open casket.
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I haven't seen it no. I have heard of it. Pretty fucking gruesone
 
JoshuaHall said:
Well, unlike most people, I readily admit I HAVE NO IDEA.

And here’s why:

A majority of the issue, in my opinion, is that we have no fucking clue on a) how to contain it, b) how to prevent it and c) how to prevent it from reoccurring and d) the legislation passed doesn’t help many people.

As China, South Korea and pretty much every other country that has even attempted to slightly lift regulations has found out, it comes right back and starts infecting people.

This also doesn’t take into account what will happen when people can fly again.

We also don’t know if “herd immunity” will work.

And the idea that we could’ve been more prepared with tests is a false one, in my opinion. Everyone cites Germany, but they have something like 80 million people — and South Korea who has maybe 60 million — don’t quote me on that though.

When problems arise in larger territories and populations, the problems are exponential in their impact rather than a linear line.

In my opinion, it’s a no win situation for whoever was in charge.

THAT SAID...

Without getting into the politics of it all, neither party had/has the average persons “best” interest at heart given the bailouts and legislation passed.

For example, one independent candidate stated that if this was *really* about the people, you could’ve paid every family in America 5,000 for 3 months with that 2 trillion stimulus package rather than butchering it up and down the block to give a fraction of that as a one time payment. And before people scream socialism, this was a libertarian. If you’re gonna pass something like that, at least have it benefit the people.

That is just one example but their are many more.

It’s been apparent for at least 10-12 years that the parties are virtually identical and that we live in a Corporatocracy - in fact I did a thesis on this in college — then got into politics for a period of time.

Also, the media is doing absolutely no favors in “uniting” the country nor is it doing anything to help “reduce fear and panic.” If they reported *actually relevant* topics Trump never would’ve won the election to begin with, which is a whole new topic.

But I’ll say this... I would’ve trusted pretty much any random party outside of Republicans and Democrats to handle the LEGISLATION piece better as they aren’t beholden to corporations. (Funny how corporations donate massively to both parties, huh?)

The actual health piece I think is impossible given the size of our country and the amount of people.
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Very well thought out response. Makes a lot of sense really.
 
magnifier661 said:
:lol: it’s funny because it’s true!
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It really is! I suggest Trump also push for Medicare for All, government-funded university for everyone who wants it and universal basic income--it'll forever kill Democrats' zeal for it. It sounds like a fantastic plan to me, and I heartily endorse it.

Let's you and I hope that his advisors are clever enough to get him to do it.
 
The Navy is testing everyone on the aircraft carrier T. Roosevelt. About 75% of the results are in. It is too early for a complete study report, but, here is some early info for you to ponder.

600 have tested positive, so far.
Only 40% of the 600 had any symptoms

That mean 60% of those that tested positive had no symptoms and felt healthy.. However, they were able to spread the virus.

This may help explain the rapid spread. There maybe 100s of thousands with the virus, and spreading it, without knowing.

The Covid 19 virus maybe a very stealthy virus.
 
Minstrel said:
It really is! I suggest Trump also push for Medicare for All, government-funded university for everyone who wants it and universal basic income--it'll forever kill Democrats' zeal for it. It sounds like a fantastic plan to me, and I heartily endorse it.

Let's you and I hope that his advisors are clever enough to get him to do it.
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Lol touché
 
oldfisherman said:
The Navy is testing everyone on the aircraft carrier T. Roosevelt. About 75% of the results are in. It is too early for a complete study report, but, here is some early info for you to ponder.

600 have tested positive, so far.
Only 40% of the 600 had any symptoms

That mean 60% of those that tested positive had no symptoms and felt healthy.. However, they were able to spread the virus.

This may help explain the rapid spread. There maybe 100s of thousands with the virus, and spreading it, without knowing.

The Covid 19 virus maybe a very stealthy virus.
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Yeah, I believe even Dr Fauci was talking about a 40-50% infected being asymptomatic.
 
it's seems that in every other story about the pandemic, it's made clear that the US simply needs to perform tests at a level many times over what they are currently testing...and they need thorough contact tracing and isolation as the follow-up to any and all positive tests

I saw an epidemiologist on the TV today say that at the minimum, the US needs to be testing 700,000-1 million each day, but it would be better if it was 2 million/day. So far, we've tested only 3.4M

apparently, the bottlenecks aren't at the labs; the bottlenecks are that there's not enough people trained to perform tests, not enough PPE for the testers we do have, and not enough basic material, like swabs & solutions, to perform the tests. That's pretty pathetic that we're having those issues 2 months after it became apparent what the needs were going to be
 
wizenheimer said:
it's seems that in every other story about the pandemic, it's made clear that the US simply needs to perform tests at a level many times over what they are currently testing...and they need thorough contact tracing and isolation as the follow-up to any and all positive tests

I saw an epidemiologist on the TV today say that at the minimum, the US needs to be testing 700,000-1 million each day, but it would be better if it was 2 million/day. So far, we've tested only 3.4M

apparently, the bottlenecks aren't at the labs; the bottlenecks are that there's not enough people trained to perform tests, not enough PPE for the testers we do have, and not enough basic material, like swabs & solutions, to perform the tests. That's pretty pathetic that we're having those issues 2 months after it became apparent what the needs were going to be
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Read something about a spit test being approved? Don't know if it got posted in here but that would solve a lot of problems.
 
Dogs might be able to sniff out the coronavirus

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Dogs might join the good fight to prevent the spread of the coronavirus in humans–especially for those who are symptom free, according to a team of researchers.

Due to the urgent need of coronavirus testing, preparations to intensively train dogs to detect asymptomatic carries of the virus have started and could be ready in six weeks, according to the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

“It’s very early stages,” says James Logan, head of LSHTM’s Department of Disease Control.

“We know diseases have odors — including respiratory diseases such as influenza — and that those odors are in fact quite distinct. There is a very, very good chance that Covid-19 has a specific odor, and if it does I am really confident that the dogs would be able to learn that smell and detect it.”

Dogs have a highly developed sense of smell and are able to sniff out subtle changes in skin temperature –they already are used to diagnosis various medical conditions in humans like malaria, diabetes, Parkinson’s disease and cancer.

The LSHTM has even trained Labradors and cocker spaniels to detect malaria–by sniffing.

“Our previous work demonstrated that dogs can detect odors from humans with a malaria infection with extremely high accuracy — above the World Health Organization standards for a diagnostic,” said Logan in a press release.

If the project is successful, dogs will be able supplement ongoing testing by screening for the virus accurately and could “triage” 250 people per hour– by the summer in England.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/dogs-might-be-able-to-sniff-out-the-coronavirus/
 
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