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Just got done watching a movie with the fam. My phone was blowing up from coworkers about the governor just extended the Declaration of Emergency in Oregon from May 7th.......to JULY 6th!!!!!!!!!!!

This seems like a big deal. I came on here thinking you guys were breaking this down? Is it not as big of a deal as I'm thinking?
 
MickZagger said:
And to lighten the mood I bring you guys Bittersweet

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I Saw them twice in Denver in the early to mid 90's when I lived in Colo Springs. Good solid band, just not quite edgy enough for me, but really good for what they did.
 
THE HCP said:
Just got done watching a movie with the fam. My phone was blowing up from coworkers about the governor just extended the Declaration of Emergency in Oregon from May 7th.......to JULY 6th!!!!!!!!!!!

This seems like a big deal. I came on here thinking you guys were breaking this down? Is it not as big of a deal as I'm thinking?
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Is that for real? 2 more months? We had a video conference this morning for work discussing it thinking it would be 2-4 more weeks likely. Not 8weeks min.

Summer is gone.

Companies are going to crumble and though their employees are being reimbursed at the moment, that wont last, and they will be joining the millions already filed and/or filed.

The inevitable crash will slide deeper and people will die from poverty and crime as people reach desperation.



Sensationalism, I know... but. Man. People change when they go hungry. Im tellin ya. History proves it.
 
It's Lord of the Flies time, kids!

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
Is that for real? 2 more months? We had a video conference this morning for work discussing it thinking it would be 2-4 more weeks likely. Not 8weeks min.

Summer is gone.

Companies are going to crumble and though their employees are being reimbursed at the moment, that wont last, and they will be joining the millions already filed and/or filed.

The inevitable crash will slide deeper and people will die from poverty and crime as people reach desperation.



Sensationalism, I know... but. Man. People change when they go hungry. Im tellin ya. History proves it.
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Maybe we'll finally see some of that wealth trickle down
 
THE HCP said:
Just got done watching a movie with the fam. My phone was blowing up from coworkers about the governor just extended the Declaration of Emergency in Oregon from May 7th.......to JULY 6th!!!!!!!!!!!

This seems like a big deal. I came on here thinking you guys were breaking this down? Is it not as big of a deal as I'm thinking?
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I don't think it means what you think it means

IMO, this was simple maintenance. During a state of emergency, the governor can set policies to protect public health. In this case, she was extending the emergency declaration in order ease restrictions instead of letting them expire when the order expired. She has already announced tentative plans to re-open parts of the state, and economy, by May 15. In conjunction with that, the State is 'planning' to ramp up testing significantly and hire at least 600 more people to do contact tracing in order to hopefully track the impact of easing restrictions and social distancing policies

I'd imagine rural counties and Eastern Oregon counties and towns will open, for the most part, within a couple of weeks. The higher population areas like the Willamette Valley and the coast will very likely be more delayed and measured in easing restrictions

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...onavirus-testing-tracing-reopening-plans.html

in other words, I wouldn't be inclined to overreact to the July 6 date. I think this was just dotting the i's. If the statute allows it I wouldn't be surprised if this 60 day extension is repeated several times, maybe until there is a widely available vaccine
 
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Orion Bailey said:
I Saw them twice in Denver in the early to mid 90's when I lived in Colo Springs. Good solid band, just not quite edgy enough for me, but really good for what they did.
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not a huge fan of theirs. But a fan of the song. Relaxing.

I am a big Dave Matthews fan which isn’t really edgy
 
RR7 said:
Maybe we'll finally see some of that wealth trickle down
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Doubt it. Its all in debts and loans. Most people's wealth is on paper, not actual greens. As corporations plummet, so does the wealth.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think it means what you think it means

IMO, this was simple maintenance. During a state of emergency, the governor can set policies to protect public health. In this case, she was extending the emergency declaration in order ease restrictions instead of letting them expire when the order expired. She has already announced tentative plans to re-open parts of the state, and economy by May 15. In conjunction with that, the State is 'planning' to ramp up testing significantly and hire at least 600 more people to do contact tracing in order to hopefully track the impact of easing restrictions and social distancing policies

I'd imagine rural counties and Eastern Oregon counties and towns will open, for the most part, within a couple of weeks. The higher population areas like the Willamette Valley and the coast will very likely be more delayed and measured in easing restrictions

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavi...onavirus-testing-tracing-reopening-plans.html

in other words, I wouldn't be inclined to overreact to the July 6 date. I think this was just dotting the i's. If the statute allows it I wouldn't be surprised if this 60 day extension is repeated several times, maybe until there is a widely available vaccine
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Thanks for the clarification sir.
 
MickZagger said:
not a huge fan of theirs. But a fan of the song. Relaxing.

I am a big Dave Matthews fan which isn’t really edgy
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Yeah, pretty much the same. saw them twice because they were from there, so they were big. Good shows. But Dave Mathews is way more creative and versatile... and has extremely talented musicians.

"Crash" is still one of my all time favorite songs.
 
I've debated 're-opening' policies with some people here, and the idea the eased restrictions would re-ignite the economy. My guess is that a big majority of people will not re-engage in 'normal' lives for a long time. We know (at least those of us who don't fondle assault weapons in public) that stay-at-home policies and social distancing keep us safer and have high value.

well, here's a chart that shows what I'm estimating from the entry angle:

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pretty clearly, people were shutting down that part of the economy well before the businesses were actually ordered closed. I expect the arc coming out of the other side to have a very gradual incline.

this is probably going to act a lot different than turning on a light switch. More like a dimmer switch turned all the way down that takes months to get the light back to 'normal'....and we'll very likely have a new normal with less light. And I doubt that restaurants and bars are the only types of businesses that will see this trend
 
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I'm not sure if it was posted but there was an excellent article in the NY Times about vaccine development. It has several interactive charts where you can select options like in Android/IOS:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html

it's not very encouraging in terms of these rosy timelines like next January that are being pushed. The big dark cloud of course is that we've never really developed a vaccine for any coronavirus.
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in case you missed the links in that article, here is a massive listing of all the therapies and vaccines that are under development:

https://www.bioworld.com/COVID19products#vac

some of the therapies may prove critical is we end up with a vaccine that takes a lot longer to develop

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and a little about Remdesivir:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what...rus-treatment-drug_l_5ead70ecc5b68d884e00af81
 
Every thread has to turn into some gotcha bullshit trying to get someone "on the record" of having some definitive stance or take on one thing after another, speaking for an entire group. Fuck is it tiring. Like some sorry excuse for a journalist trying to trap someone into a shitty soundbite.
 
wizenheimer said:
I've debated 're-opening' policies with some people here, and the idea the eased restrictions would re-ignite the economy. My guess is that a big majority of people will not re-engage in 'normal' lives for a long time. We know (at least those of us who don't fondle assault weapons in public) that stay-at-home policies and social distancing keep us safer and have high value.

well, here's a chart that shows what I'm estimating from the entry angle:

EW0C-5qU8AAQnyR




pretty clearly, people were shutting down that part of the economy well before the businesses were actually ordered closed. I expect the arc coming out of the other side to have a very gradual incline.

this is probably going to act a lot different than turning on a light switch. More like a dimmer switch turned all the way down that takes months to get the light back to 'normal'....and we'll very likely have a new normal with less light. And I doubt that restaurants and bars are the only types of businesses that will see this trend
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Yeah it might be slow, but would you rather have slow start now, or in a year or...? So not only is your prediction it’ll be slow, your saying because it’ll be slow they should stay closed longer. Doesnt that just extend how long restaurant's and other small businesses have to have enough capital to keep afloat? Not sure anyone has said if they open things up life will be back to normal that day. I dont think they should open things up today, but all this really seems to prove is that most small businesses are dead and even if they reopen they’ll never get back to where they were.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure if it was posted but there was an excellent article in the NY Times about vaccine development. It has several interactive charts where you can select options like in Android/IOS:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html

it's not very encouraging in terms of these rosy timelines like next January that are being pushed. The big dark cloud of course is that we've never really developed a vaccine for any coronavirus.
************************************************************

in case you missed the links in that article, here is a massive listing of all the therapies and vaccines that are under development:

https://www.bioworld.com/COVID19products#vac

some of the therapies may prove critical is we end up with a vaccine that takes a lot longer to develop

***********************************************************
and a little about Remdesivir:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what...rus-treatment-drug_l_5ead70ecc5b68d884e00af81
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Good info, but it when you say that we’ve never really developed a vaccine for a coronavirus, while true, you have to note the reason. In the case of SARS and MERS, both died out before a vaccine could be developed. In the case of the four coronaviruses that cause common colds, the symptoms are so mild that it isn’t worth the investment to develop a vaccine.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Yeah it might be slow, but would you rather have slow start now, or in a year or...? So not only is your prediction it’ll be slow, your saying because it’ll be slow they should stay closed longer. Doesnt that just extend how long restaurant's and other small businesses have to have enough capital to keep afloat? Not sure anyone has said if they open things up life will be back to normal that day. I dont think they should open things up today, but all this really seems to prove is that most small businesses are dead and even if they reopen they’ll never get back to where they were.
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what I want is a state to safely open WHEN they meet the qualifications to do so and to ease into opening the state. Right now, we have ZERO states that have met the minimum requirewment of having 14 consecutive days of decline and yet many states are going ahead anyway and trump is encouraging it and it is putting many people (especially my age) at a much higher risk.

Do you think we should follow the guidelines or just ignore and open anyway?
 
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