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crandc said:
Republicans are blocking Corona virus relief bill. They oppose paid leave. They added an anti abortion clause. This bill has absolutely nothing to do with abortion. Political grandstanding; they can say Democrats are putting abortion above nation's health, which is actually what they are doing.

Trump meets with CEOs but not doctors, nurses, low wage workers.

Who cares if a bunch of losers get sick? Big donors can pay for health care.
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Pelosi's original bill unConstitutionally raided the Social Security Fund with no stated limit, and sent much of these stolen retirement funds overseas for pet pork-barrel projects for Dems. It did an end-run around state laws pertaining to abortion providers and illegally used federal funds to support them. Over half of the funds in her original bill had absolutely nothing to do with the coronavirus. It was a political attempt at theft of taxpayer $ to support political goals of her party. I doubt it was changed much.

As literally nobody who voted on it has read it completely, it is likely another potential American success like Obamacare, turned sour and unworkable by her graft-ridden swamp. It will likely need some graft edited out before the Senate passes it.

Why would you want POTUS Trump to waste time meeting with nurses and low-wage workers? Photo ops with potential voters when he could be meeting with CDC and the Surgeon General? TDS!

He has and is meeting with the best doctors in the world.

He is meeting with CEO's because American Businesses are the largest and best equipped group in the world to defeat the virus. And they will need to bear much of the costs in protecting American workers, like the nurses and low-wage workers you mentioned.

No government or army anywhere has the personnel, the expertise, the knowledge, the systems already in place, the inventors, the scientists, the medical facilities and staffing, the sheer ingenuity and ambition that exists nowhere else in the world.
 
According to my chiropractor yesterday, friends of his just paid $99 for a direct flight from PDX to Maui. And flights to Vegas are as low as $19. Too bad I’m not interested in either place......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
According to my chiropractor yesterday, friends of his just paid $99 for a direct flight from PDX to Maui. And flights to Vegas are as low as $19. Too bad I’m not interested in either place......
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I don’t know about that. The Pahoa area on the Big Island could be a great place to ride this out. Freshest air on the planet (as long as the volcano isn’t erupting), cheap rents, not many people, warm weather. Doesn’t sound too bad to me.
 
Grocery stores are a madhouse right now.

Great, now you people take this seriously and go the absolute opposite direction.
 
illmatic99 said:
Grocery stores are a madhouse right now.

Great, now you people take this seriously and go the absolute opposite direction.
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Not sure what you mean - wouldn't we be attracted to a madhouse? Birds of a feather....

barfo
 
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Grocery stores are a madhouse right now.

Great, now you people take this seriously and go the absolute opposite direction.
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My wife had to go to 5 stores yesterday to just get her normal groceries... This morning the local stores were mostly restocked though, had to make a run for moving supplies.
 
No shortage of supplies here in La Pine stores, but most people around here already have a good stock of staples because, you know, common sense.

Contrast that with the mild amount of panic and empty shelves in Bend and Sisters due to them being the snowflake cities of Beautiful Central Oregon.
 
I think I mentioned my friend with all the guns and ammo before. This is the way my pantry always looks. My wife has stayed away from the stores. We probably don't have as much TP as all the people who have been stocking up but anyway...my buddy with the guns and 1000s of rounds of ammo is ready to come here with his wife if it gets necessary.

I've been making fun of her for the pantry being like this for years. There is probably 2 months worth of toilet paper behind the doorIMG_20200314_124613_01.jpg
 
One more thing people...jesus. My wife's co-worker took her 77 year old mom to Sam's Club on Thursday.

I asked why she would do that. My wife said because her mom didn't have a membership. I said she could go to Sam's Club and buy stuff for her mom and take it to her instead of exposing her to a thousand panicking morons who might actually be sick.

This is the prequel to Idiocracy.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
One more thing people...jesus. My wife's co-worker took her 77 year old mom to Sam's Club on Thursday.

I asked why she would do that. My wife said because her mom didn't have a membership. I said she could go to Sam's Club and buy stuff for her mom and take it to her instead of exposing her to a thousand panicking morons who might actually be sick.

This is the prequel to Idiocracy.
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I cant convince my parents to stay in, they simply think its all stupid, and if they get it and die oh well. Its weird cause they’re both intelligent adults most of the time, college educated, run businesses, but this thing their ego’s seem to be too big to say ok were a high risk demographic lets chill for a bit.
 
How Britain’s Insanely Risky Coronavirus Experiment Will Affect the U.S.

LONDON—On Thursday, Boris Johnson delivered the most chilling warning from a British prime minister since Winston Churchill prepared the country for potential destruction during World War Two. “I must level with you,” Johnson said, looking like a man who had just emerged from a doctor’s office after receiving a terrible diagnosis. “Many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time.”

His message was stark, and somehow seemed to hit even harder coming from a man who has built his political career on flippant clownery. The novel coronavirus can no longer be contained in the United Kingdom, he said, and all that can be done now is to mitigate the worst effects of it to give the doctors and nurses in the country’s already creaking national health service a fighting chance to save as many lives as possible.

But the strict containment measures now familiar around the planet—population lockdowns, prohibition of mass gatherings, and travel bans—were notable only by their absences. Johnson’s government has diverged with the rest of the world and decided to take a much less draconian approach, and his scientific advisers have admitted the strategy could see as much as 60 percent of the population catch the coronavirus.

In point of fact, Britain is effectively encouraging a potentially deadly virus to spread to the majority of the people who live here. Remember, the U.K. is one of the only European countries which is still allowed to send flights to the United States under President Donald Trump’s travel ban. That will change, however, come Monday night when a travel ban on the U.K. and Ireland will kick in, according to a Saturday announcement by Vice President Mike Pence.

The logic goes like this: if a large section of the population is exposed to the coronavirus now, it will likely help people develop a level of immunity, and then Britain will be in the best possible position to defend itself from a much worse outbreak of the virus in the future. The strategy reportedly has been shaped by the history of the deadly Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918, which saw a second, much larger spike in deaths months after the first outbreak.

Sir Patrick Vallance, England’s chief scientific adviser, said the government was looking “to build up some kind of herd immunity so more people are immune to this disease and we reduce the transmission.” The strategy is based on science—but the entire British population is now effectively taking part in a mass untested experiment, and one which could result in the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of people.

Sixty percent of the British population is just under 40 million people. Even if Britain experiences a low mortality rate from the virus, that would lead to an expected 300,000 deaths. If the mortality rate is higher, such as in Italy, it’s not unthinkable that the number of deaths rises over a million.

While the strategy has its supporters in the scientific community, many have reacted with sheer horror. Anthony Costello, a pediatrician and former World Health Organization director, wrote that it’s not even clear yet that catching the coronavirus will result in immunity. Costello urged the U.K. to change course, asking: “Is it ethical to adopt a policy that threatens immediate casualties on the basis of an uncertain future benefit?”

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the current director-general of the World Health Organization, has also urged countries to continue with containment measures. “The idea that countries should shift from containment to mitigation is wrong and dangerous,” he said. “We urge all countries to take a comprehensive approach tailored to their circumstances—with containment as the central pillar.”

Other scientists have said Johnson appears to have missed the point when it comes to containment, saying that if the spread of the disease is delayed for enough time, an effective therapy or treatment could be developed and make the virus much easier to defeat, without risking as many lives.

Johnson’s gamble also has been questioned by his political allies. Jeremy Hunt, the former health secretary who remains a high-profile lawmaker in Johnson’s own Conservative party, described the prime minister’s approach as “surprising and concerning” and warned that it could lead to Britain’s outbreak becoming worse than Italy’s within a matter of weeks.

And it’s not just British lives at risk from the strategy. Flights from Britain were, mystifyingly, still free to cross the pond to the U.S. despite Trump’s decision to ban journeys from the rest of Europe. Trump previously said he decided to exclude the U.K. because it was “doing a good job” on battling the virus, but admitted Friday that he now may have to add it to the list. On Saturday, he included the U.K. in the ban.

Following days of criticism, Johnson has indicated that he may tweak his strategy. His government has banned hundreds of local elections and the London mayoral election for a year, and British media reported Friday night that mass gatherings could be banned from next weekend.

But these tentative moves come as governments around the world declare emergencies, close borders, shut schools, impose strict entry and quarantine requirements, and carry out mass testing on their populations.

Johnson has chosen a wildly different course from governments around the world. The question now is if his mass experiment will define his legacy as an ingenious pioneer, or as the mad professor who foolishly gambled with the lives of millions.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I cant convince my parents to stay in, they simply think its all stupid, and if they get it and die oh well. Its weird cause they’re both intelligent adults most of the time, college educated, run businesses, but this thing their ego’s seem to be too big to say ok were a high risk demographic lets chill for a bit.
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I think they are right but would try to get them to stay in too. So uhhhhhhhh, I didn't really want to bring it up but honesty is the best policy.......

My mom is quarantined in Texas right now. She was on the cruise ship that is in Oakland.

I read that they suspect somone else but I won't be surprised if my mom brought it on the ship. She and her new husband were sick just before the cruise. She lives in Washington....SW Washington not Seattle area though.


I'm going to live my life like normal. I always washed my hands and when I was sick if I was at work I told people to stay away.

The worst thing about this is being contagious without having symptoms. We will NEVER be able to quarantine that away unless the world stands still for a month and that ain't happening.

If a skeleton crew can keep the electricity and water on I'll stay home for a month no problem. Who's with me?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I cant convince my parents to stay in, they simply think its all stupid, and if they get it and die oh well. Its weird cause they’re both intelligent adults most of the time, college educated, run businesses, but this thing their ego’s seem to be too big to say ok were a high risk demographic lets chill for a bit.
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Try a little scripture on them:

Proverbs 15:31
He who listens to a life-giving rebuke will be at home among the wise.
 
Rastapopoulos said:


'Murica
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Seeing people Hoard toilet paper as they have, if shit goes down, yall will need some firepower to mow down the people going after you.

Humans are selfish animal savages, and when time gets desperate, you'll be having to defend yourself.

Look at the LA riots after Rodney King, that shit can go nationwide.
 
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