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People who never experienced actual persecution or discrimination just love to sob about what victims they are. Led of course by twice impeached loser who is not only greatest ever but most unfairly treated.

Wearing a mask and getting a vaccine is not the equivalent of slavery, Jim Crow segregation, apartheid, Nazi holocaust or genocide.
 
crandc said:
People who never experienced actual persecution or discrimination just love to sob about what victims they are. Led of course by twice impeached loser who is not only greatest ever but most unfairly treated.

Wearing a mask and getting a vaccine is not the equivalent of slavery, Jim Crow segregation, apartheid, Nazi holocaust or genocide.
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Once again, you’ve failed to present any argument without completely diving off the hyperbole deep end. I wasn’t crying victimhood, I would hate to cut in on your action. I was presenting hypotheticals based on the extreme measures people are suggesting we enact against the unvaccinated. None of those things have happened yet, so there are no victims.
You appear to have zero concept of pretty average people having a few differing opinions than you. They must all be Trump following Qanon capitol insurrectionists.
 
jonnyboy said:
Once again, you’ve failed to present any argument without completely diving off the hyperbole deep end. I wasn’t crying victimhood, I would hate to cut in on your action. I was presenting hypotheticals based on the extreme measures people are suggesting we enact against the unvaccinated. None of those things have happened yet, so there are no victims.
You appear to have zero concept of pretty average people having a few differing opinions than you. They must all be Trump following Qanon capitol insurrectionists.
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Paris Hilton is pregnant.
 
jonnyboy said:
I wasn’t crying victimhood,
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yeah...you were...even if it was in 3rd person...you hopped right on the second class citizen train in light of businesses not wanting unvaccinated people in their business....that's what you want to argue yet you seem strangely concerned about the economy even though vaccination resistance has prolonged our shutdown and had multiple setbacks....the argument you want to keep having has already been countered and disproven here multiple times ...I think you are just enjoying the devil's advocate role with whataboutisms.....simple...at one point you seemed to come to terms with it but you keep walking it back....I don't want unvaccinated teachers in my grandkids classrooms...let's start there...I don't want unvaccinated surgeons working on me either...it's a long list. You want to live in a Wyoming bubble...go ahead...just don't ignore why you have to do that with false information about what this virus is and how it's spreading.
 
Personal insults and proclaiming what someone REALLY thinks. Sounds like someone has no real argument.
 
riverman said:
yeah...you were...even if it was in 3rd person...you hopped right on the second class citizen train in light of businesses not wanting unvaccinated people in their business....that's what you want to argue yet you seem strangely concerned about the economy even though vaccination resistance has prolonged our shutdown and had multiple setbacks....the argument you want to keep having has already been countered and disproven here multiple times ...I think you are just enjoying the devil's advocate role with whataboutisms.....simple...at one point you seemed to come to terms with it but you keep walking it back....I don't want unvaccinated teachers in my grandkids classrooms...let's start there...I don't want unvaccinated surgeons working on me either...it's a long list. You want to live in a Wyoming bubble...go ahead...just don't ignore why you have to do that with false information about what this virus is and how it's spreading.
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You had to assume a lot of my intentions there to patch that thought together.

“You think this”
“You want that”

I like how you said I’m claiming I’m a victim, then admit I was playing devils advocate a couple sentences later. Followed by, you guessed it, more whining from the person pointing the finger.

“I don’t want this”
“I want that”

Sounds like a the actual whiners are trying to flip the script because they can’t tell people what to do. That’s called projection.
 
jonnyboy said:
What do you call fully vaccinated people who choose not to get experimental mRNA covid treatment?

Antivaxxers!!!

Your belittling language is just childish and most of your arguments end before they even start.

It’s abundantly clear that vaccination isn’t the actual goal for you and the other more aggressive posters on here, it’s to assert dominance and flex on people you feel are inadequate, probably for reasons other than a vaccine.
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Covidiots, obviously.

My goal is plain and simply the most efficient and effective solution to problems, while enabling as much harmless individual freedom as possible.

Refusing free and safe methods to eliminate the spread of a pandemic is not harmless personal freedom.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Covidiots, obviously.

My goal is plain and simply the most efficient and effective solution to problems, while enabling as much harmless individual freedom as possible.

Refusing free and safe methods to eliminate the spread of a pandemic is not harmless personal freedom.
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Your goal is just that, YOUR goal. It stops after you, and isn’t imposed on anyone else.
 
jonnyboy said:
Your goal is just that, YOUR goal. It stops after you, and isn’t imposed on anyone else.
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You asked a question, which I answered.

You also made a claim about a group's goal (which appears to include myself).

I'm simply correcting your claim as it relates to me.

If that's not a conversation you want to have I'd suggest you avoid broaching it.
 
If someone wants to live on an island by themself, and not get polio vaccine, measles vaccine, smallpox vaccine, Covid vaccine, fine.

If you want to live in a society, part of that is collective responsibility. Don't steal or murder. Stop at red light. Dispose of bodily waste properly.

And get vaccinated.
 
crandc said:
If someone wants to live on an island by themself, and not get polio vaccine, measles vaccine, smallpox vaccine, Covid vaccine, fine.

If you want to live in a society, part of that is collective responsibility. Don't steal or murder. Stop at red light. Dispose of bodily waste properly.

And get vaccinated.
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So what should we do with the people who steal, ignore red lights, and urinate on sidewalks? Do we have an island to send them to?
 
riverman said:
you had one intention....whining about business owners not allowing people who have chosen to live with the risk from putting their repeat customers at risk.....you seem to wake up and try to flip the script on common sense everyday here...I'd say it's become an obsession ...good luck with your choices...
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I literally never once whined about businesses banning anyone. If so, quote where I did. I said let’s see if they actually do it. Let’s see if they are actually willing to lose a large chunk of business. You are just angrily ranting at this point.
 
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Its not illegal though. Unless they are purposefully infecting people with COVID, I don't see the parallels.

What's next, should we ban people with AIDS or any STD from having intercourse?
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If you aren't vaccinated, aren't masking, and you're going to crowded public places you are doing everything possible to infect others with Covid-19.

That's like driving down the wrong lane deliberately. Maybe you don't mean to hurt anybody, but eventually you're going to get in an accident.

And if your refusal to use common sense gets somebody else hurt you should be held financially and criminally liable. Only it's much harder to track who a person caught a virus from, so you can't make reactionary rules.

They need to be preventative.
 
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jonnyboy said:
That actually brings up an interesting point. What tax rate do you guys think the second-class should pay after segregation is re-implemented?

Surely we should pay less right? Since we won’t be entitled to the same basic freedoms as the first class?
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You are entitled to them just get the fucking shot. I mean you’ll all always be second class in my mind, but you’re still entitled to everything normal people are entitled to. Just get vaxxed.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If you aren't vaccinated, aren't masking, and you're going to crowded public places you are doing everything possible to infect others with Covid-19.

That's like driving down the wrong lane deliberately. Maybe you don't mean to hurt anybody, but eventually you're going to get in an accident.

And if your refusal to use common sense gets somebody else hurt you should be held financially and criminally liable. Only it's much harder to track who a person caught a virus from, so you can't make reactionary rules.

They need to be preventative.
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Perhaps we should mark those that get vaccinated. Makes it easier to identify. We can ask to see their mark. Maybe a tattooed QR code.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
It's only a matter of time until a version of covid starts infecting the vaccinated more widespread and more serious versus unvaccinated persons.
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Lol, nice imagination you've got there.

Seriously though, it's beyond time to get everyone vaccinated. I'd prefer to pay people to do it, but if that doesn't get enough on board we'll have to make it mandatory.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Perhaps we should mark those that get vaccinated. Makes it easier to identify. We can ask to see their mark. Maybe a tattooed QR code.
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I have proof that I'm vaccinated on my phone. Takes 1 second to prove it. Google pay app.
 
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