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HailBlazers said:
look at Israel, who's preppimg for a 2nd booster, to see the case rates are growing similarly.

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Factcheck: "Missing context. The claim ignores the fact that Israel has only a fraction of the COVID-19 cases that it had in January, before vaccines were widespread. Furthermore, the majority of adults in Israel are now vaccinated with two Pfizer shots. No vaccine is perfect at preventing breakthrough cases, but the data shows vaccines are reducing the number of people who are severely ill, hospitalized or die from the virus."
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Factcheck: "Missing context. The claim ignores the fact that Israel has only a fraction of the COVID-19 cases that it had in January, before vaccines were widespread. Furthermore, the majority of adults in Israel are now vaccinated with two Pfizer shots. No vaccine is perfect at preventing breakthrough cases, but the data shows vaccines are reducing the number of people who are severely ill, hospitalized or die from the virus."
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If you can't bring your comments back around to basketball please take them to the OT forum... this shit has no place in here.
 
HailBlazers said:
look at Israel, who's preppimg for a 2nd booster, to see the case rates are growing similarly.

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Case rates only go up the same in people over 55, per ynet.co.il - and of the severe cases in people under 60, 84% are not vaccinated.

.. and if you zoom into the time the 3rd dose was approved and give it the 3 weeks overhead since approval to deployment, you already see that the booster is slowing it even further. There is certainly a snake-oil merchant here, and it seems that you are the one spreading it.

https://www.ynetnews.com/health_science/article/bjvnboo7y
"Those figures indicated that 84% of younger seriously ill patients were those who did not receive the vaccine, compared to 3.4% who received the third jab."
Published: 09.22.21, 13:01
 
HailBlazers said:
look at Israel, who's preppimg for a 2nd booster, to see the case rates are growing similarly.

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LOL....my gawd....you're posting a link from ZeroHedge. What next...an episode from Alex Jones?

wasn't Israel just about fully vaccinated 8 months ago?

that chart means nothing without time frame references. What percentage of vaccinated breakthrough infections were Delta, and what percentage occurred in people who had their 2nd shot more than 6 months ago?

https://www.google.com/search?q=zer...hUKEwjHxt-Eu5rzAhWF6p4KHQ5QARAQ4dUDCAk&uact=5
 
blazerkor said:
If you can't bring your comments back around to basketball please take them to the OT forum... this shit has no place in here.
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I don't appreciate you calling a factcheck "shit". I think every citizen has the duty to call out falseness no matter where they see it.
 
And I'm not sure if vaccination discussion is really off-topic; the success of a team can depend on their vaccination status and compliance with covid protocols.
 
I appreciate doing seniors and those with compromised immune issues first. Unlike how Oregon handled the first vaccines and lost lives because of it.
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL....my gawd....you're posting a link from ZeroHedge. What next...an episode from Alex Jones?

wasn't Israel just about fully vaccinated 8 months ago?

that chart means nothing without time frame references. What percentage of vaccinated breakthrough infections were Delta, and what percentage occurred in people who had their 2nd shot more than 6 months ago?

https://www.google.com/search?q=zer...hUKEwjHxt-Eu5rzAhWF6p4KHQ5QARAQ4dUDCAk&uact=5
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The time frame was this summer. I thought you could appreciate an intelligently presented and thorough argument backed with stats and facts. Guess not.
 
SIeepwalker said:
"Please stop with your facts and statistics, those are not allowed while discussing Covid"
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Look so I'll respond to this while it's over here In OT.

All I'm saying is you never know what the person who is reading your graph and statement might be going through and every Graph is a stat that as we all know can be bent to make your point.

Here's the deal. Personally i have two direct family members who's lives have been changed permanently and two friends that have died. My brothers wife is now blind from lack of oxygen to the brain and my brother can no longer breathe without oxygen. My wife TODAY at this very moment is in Eugene taking care of her grandmother on her death bed because she was too ill for the hospital to even try to help. At her age and health they would not give her an ICU bed because they felt it would waste the space for another who might live. The ICU's are full. Her grandmother will in fact die from this virus. There is a hard cold FACT for you.
Yes you can rationalize this death because she is old and most likely only had a handful of years left at most but fact remains, her life has been cut short by this virus.

To this date over 700,000 people in the US have died or have had complication from this virus that lead to their deaths. People like you were all saying "It's just the Flu" only a short time ago. It's not the Flu my friend. This virus has killed Millions and Millions of people worldwide and you still want to keep your head in the sand. Other countries are begging for the vaccine. We have ample doses for EVERY US citizen to be vaccinated and you all want to play games?

Here is a story written by Arron Blake who is a senior reporter for the Washington Post. He is probably as middle of the road as you can get on this and he has spend almost the entire last 2 years on this subject. He has linked this info and it is conpletely verifiable if you wish to do further research. I personally have looked into it and i was pleasantly surprised at exactly how thorough it is.
Dated July 22nd 2021 it is fairly recent but it explains why the graph that was posted is not only incorrect but deceiving.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/

Here are some more facts-
Yes you can still contract the virus if vaccinated. (Fact)
If you are vaccinated you are close to 700% lest likely to contract the virus (Fact)
Yes you can still transmit the virus if you happen to contract it. (Fact)
Here is the good part. Because you are almost 700% less likely to contract the virus you are also 7 fold less likely to transmit the virus.

Here is the better part. You are not only 7 fold less likely to transmit it but if the other person is vaccinated as well they also are 700% less likely to contract the virus.

Try to understand here. If the Nation could actually get the other 30-35% of the people that could vaccinate to get vaccinated the country could possibly get back on track faster and things could actually get back to normal. No more masks. No more shut downs. Beds available in ICU's for those who do need them. People being able to get medical procedures done that need them. Our economy that is starting to feel the stress of a recession would be able to start to recover.

Please read that article. Please understand that it's not about just you.

Peace be with you all and God's Speed!
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Look so I'll respond to this while it's over here In OT.

All I'm saying is you never know what the person who is reading your graph and statement might be going through and every Graph is a stat that as we all know can be bent to make your point.

Here's the deal. Personally i have two direct family members who's lives have been changed permanently and two friends that have died. My brothers wife is now blind from lack of oxygen to the brain and my brother can no longer breathe without oxygen. My wife TODAY at this very moment is in Eugene taking care of her grandmother on her death bed because she was too ill for the hospital to even try to help. At her age and health they would not give her an ICU bed because they felt it would waste the space for another who might live. The ICU's are full. Her grandmother will in fact die from this virus. There is a hard cold FACT for you.
Yes you can rationalize this death because she is old and most likely only had a handful of years left at most but fact remains, her life has been cut short by this virus.

To this date over 700,000 people in the US have died or have had complication from this virus that lead to their deaths. People like you were all saying "It's just the Flu" only a short time ago. It's not the Flu my friend. This virus has killed Millions and Millions of people worldwide and you still want to keep your head in the sand. Other countries are begging for the vaccine. We have ample doses for EVERY US citizen to be vaccinated and you all want to play games?

Here is a story written by Arron Blake who is a senior reporter for the Washington Post. He is probably as middle of the road as you can get on this and he has spend almost the entire last 2 years on this subject. He has linked this info and it is conpletely verifiable if you wish to do further research. I personally have looked into it and i was pleasantly surprised at exactly how thorough it is.
Dated July 22nd 2021 it is fairly recent but it explains why the graph that was posted is not only incorrect but deceiving.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/

Here are some more facts-
Yes you can still contract the virus if vaccinated. (Fact)
If you are vaccinated you are close to 700% lest likely to contract the virus (Fact)
Yes you can still transmit the virus if you happen to contract it. (Fact)
Here is the good part. Because you are almost 700% less likely to contract the virus you are also 7 fold less likely to transmit the virus.

Here is the better part. You are not only 7 fold less likely to transmit it but if the other person is vaccinated as well they also are 700% less likely to contract the virus.

Try to understand here. If the Nation could actually get the other 30-35% of the people that could vaccinate to get vaccinated the country could possibly get back on track faster and things could actually get back to normal. No more masks. No more shut downs. Beds available in ICU's for those who do need them. People being able to get medical procedures done that need them. Our economy that is starting to feel the stress of a recession would be able to start to recover.

Please read that article. Please understand that it's not about just you.

Peace be with you all and God's Speed!
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great post and I'm really sorry about your family tragedy and hope that ends for you soon
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Look so I'll respond to this while it's over here In OT.

All I'm saying is you never know what the person who is reading your graph and statement might be going through and every Graph is a stat that as we all know can be bent to make your point.

Here's the deal. Personally i have two direct family members who's lives have been changed permanently and two friends that have died. My brothers wife is now blind from lack of oxygen to the brain and my brother can no longer breathe without oxygen. My wife TODAY at this very moment is in Eugene taking care of her grandmother on her death bed because she was too ill for the hospital to even try to help. At her age and health they would not give her an ICU bed because they felt it would waste the space for another who might live. The ICU's are full. Her grandmother will in fact die from this virus. There is a hard cold FACT for you.
Yes you can rationalize this death because she is old and most likely only had a handful of years left at most but fact remains, her life has been cut short by this virus.

To this date over 700,000 people in the US have died or have had complication from this virus that lead to their deaths. People like you were all saying "It's just the Flu" only a short time ago. It's not the Flu my friend. This virus has killed Millions and Millions of people worldwide and you still want to keep your head in the sand. Other countries are begging for the vaccine. We have ample doses for EVERY US citizen to be vaccinated and you all want to play games?

Here is a story written by Arron Blake who is a senior reporter for the Washington Post. He is probably as middle of the road as you can get on this and he has spend almost the entire last 2 years on this subject. He has linked this info and it is conpletely verifiable if you wish to do further research. I personally have looked into it and i was pleasantly surprised at exactly how thorough it is.
Dated July 22nd 2021 it is fairly recent but it explains why the graph that was posted is not only incorrect but deceiving.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/

Here are some more facts-
Yes you can still contract the virus if vaccinated. (Fact)
If you are vaccinated you are close to 700% lest likely to contract the virus (Fact)
Yes you can still transmit the virus if you happen to contract it. (Fact)
Here is the good part. Because you are almost 700% less likely to contract the virus you are also 7 fold less likely to transmit the virus.

Here is the better part. You are not only 7 fold less likely to transmit it but if the other person is vaccinated as well they also are 700% less likely to contract the virus.

Try to understand here. If the Nation could actually get the other 30-35% of the people that could vaccinate to get vaccinated the country could possibly get back on track faster and things could actually get back to normal. No more masks. No more shut downs. Beds available in ICU's for those who do need them. People being able to get medical procedures done that need them. Our economy that is starting to feel the stress of a recession would be able to start to recover.

Please read that article. Please understand that it's not about just you.

Peace be with you all and God's Speed!
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Dang. I'm sorry man.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I don't appreciate you calling a factcheck "shit". I think every citizen has the duty to call out falseness no matter where they see it.
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You have a right to your own opinions but you do not have a right to your own facts.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
And I'm not sure if vaccination discussion is really off-topic; the success of a team can depend on their vaccination status and compliance with covid protocols.
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The way it's being discussed, it's off topic.
 
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