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No one is saying covid isn't bad, so thats not the argument. Does th government have the right to mandate a particular medical treatment?

Can they mandate everyone to take chemo to prevent cancer? Citing 600k cancer deaths per year does not settle that argument.
 
No one is saying covid isn't bad, so thats not the argument. Does th government have the right to mandate a particular medical treatment?

Can they mandate everyone to take chemo to prevent cancer? Citing 600k cancer deaths per year does not settle that argument.
If you cough on me with cancer, do I then get cancer?
 
You must believe that the vaccine prevents transmission.
actually people need to stop saying this because it's known everywhere that an airborne virus can travel on anything...cardboard, cigarette smoke, door handle, touching your own face and not wearing eye protection etc....also vaccines are an insurance policy against death if infected....all this other false narrative stuff about vaccination boogey men is just false narrative.....social distancing, masking, hand washing and staying out of public crowded indoor places works ......as I've said....Taiwan and New Zealand are the gold standards for containing the virus and they have 100% compliance.....people who've relaxed from the safety protocols are all contributing to mutation after mutation instead of capping this off quickly....most people have not taken this issue seriously enough and just stubbornly refused to comply....so here we are...millions dead and on the 4th mutation wave. We need strict quarantine laws for travelers entering an airport or an airplane and back tracing when cases arrive.....we really dropped the ball on back testing which New Zealand and Taiwan stayed on top of for the last 2 years.....learn from success not failure would be the way forward...follow examples that have worked seems logical
 
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actually people need to stop saying this because it's known everywhere that an airborne virus can travel on anything...cardboard, cigarette smoke, door handle, touching your own face and not wearing eye protection etc....also vaccines are an insurance policy against death if infected....all this other false narrative stuff about vaccination boogey men is just false narrative.....social distancing, masking, hand washing and staying out of public crowded indoor places works ......as I've said....Taiwan and New Zealand are the gold standards for containing the virus and they have 100% compliance.....people who've relaxed from the safety protocols are all contributing to mutation after mutation instead of capping this off quickly....most people have not taken this issue seriously enough and just stubbornly refused to comply....so here we are...millions dead and on the 4th mutation wave. We need strict quarantine laws for travelers entering an airport or an airplane and back tracing when cases arrive.....we really dropped the ball on back testing which New Zealand and Taiwan stayed on top of for the last 2 years.....learn from success not failure would be the way forward...follow examples that have worked seems logical
Maybe people will stop saying it when others stop claiming it does. And this is in thr context of a mandate conversation. So your rant isnt really relevant. Also you are very mistsken uf you think those things will stop covid.
 
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Maybe people will stop saying it when others stop claiming it does. And this is in thr context of a mandate conversation. So your rant isnt really relevant. Also you are very mistsken uf you think those things will stop covid.
you should learn the difference between discourse and ranting....and safety protocols are proven to stem the spread where compliance was adhered too.....I have family in both those countries I sited and here in the US....we relaxed protocols and extended the spread by every means it could spread. I trust the science....doing so has kept me covid free as well as my family...I'm proof that doing what we did protects you....I also wouldn't travel over the last two years or go to a crowded indoor venue....choices New Zealand and Taiwan have contained the spread with mandates about protocol...when something is demonstrable...it's called scientific method. If you don't want to talk about this with me then it's all good but if you do please refrain from defining someone's opinion as an irrelevant rant next time.....you have every right to practice your own beliefs about the pandemic.
 
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No one is saying covid isn't bad, so thats not the argument. Does th government have the right to mandate a particular medical treatment?

Can they mandate everyone to take chemo to prevent cancer? Citing 600k cancer deaths per year does not settle that argument.

chemo is a treatment for cancer, not a preventative measure. so your analogy is flawed.

but let's imagine that there's a preventative that's discovered. Should the government mandate it?

There's a good argument for and against. Against: why should anyone else care if I want to die from cancer? For: very possibly, my cancer will end up costing other taxpayers and/or healthcare systems as I painfully croak from a completely avoidable disease.

But, cancer is not contagious, unlike covid.
It's very hard to make the argument that we shouldn't mandate vaccinations against contagious diseases, and in fact we already do. Polio, measles, etc etc

barfo
 
That's a pretty famous Drag Queen Brunch restaurant/bar in Miami.

This is the recommendation from New York, where she's from:

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-face-covering-faq.pdf


In any case, in light of this recent surge, people really shouldn't be partying in bars, inside or out. She represents her district in NY, a place with record COVID-19 infections. She should set the example, stay home and stay masked up, not escape NY to somewhere that is open.



DeSantis welcomes her, though:

“Glad to see AOC enjoying the Florida freedom and sunshine, but it’s sad that school children in NYC are forced to eat lunch outside in freezing temperatures this winter due to the draconian and useless COVID policies pushed by AOC and her fellow progressives,” DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw told The Daily Wire.


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chemo is a treatment for cancer, not a preventative measure. so your analogy is flawed.

but let's imagine that there's a preventative that's discovered. Should the government mandate it?

There's a good argument for and against. Against: why should anyone else care if I want to die from cancer? For: very possibly, my cancer will end up costing other taxpayers and/or healthcare systems as I painfully croak from a completely avoidable disease.

But, cancer is not contagious, unlike covid.
It's very hard to make the argument that we shouldn't mandate vaccinations against contagious diseases, and in fact we already do. Polio, measles, etc etc

barfo
Chemo could knock out cancer cells early, and thus be preventative. But what if I'm already immune to that type of cancer or very low risk? What if id prefer to take other measures to avoid cancer?
 
If the covid shot provided long lasting effective protection, that would be great, but we know it's short lived. How many shots will you all get? Would you get multiple per year?
 
Should excercise and good eating habits be enforced in the name of reducing consumption of health care?
 
Should excercise and good eating habits be enforced in the name of reducing consumption of health care?
I'm not sure where you live and what sort of authoritarian laws are there but where I live nobody is forced to do anything for their own health at all....you can eat, smoke and drink yourself to death if you want to.
 
I'm not sure where you live and what sort of authoritarian laws are there but where I live nobody is forced to do anything for their own health at all....you can eat, smoke and drink yourself to death if you want to.
That's good. But i see people making this argument about why the vaccine should be mandated.
 
That's good. But i see people making this argument about why the vaccine should be mandated.
Because you can make other people sick even if you survive it. It's called public safety protocol, not personal health protocol. You can't give your obesity or alcoholism , diabetes or cancer to someone else
 
Should excercise and good eating habits be enforced in the name of reducing consumption of health care?

Yes, for kids in school proper nutrition and physical education should be a requirement.

For people on public assistance like food stamps, there should be added financial incentive for people to purchase healthier foods.

Also in some countries with communist/socialized healthcare doctors are actually given financial bonuses if the overall health of their patients improves, things like BMI, non-smoking, etc.
 
Im in favor promoting health, but not through mandates. Plus there are all kinds of risk of avarice in letting a government control you to that level. I've not even seen any messaging from our public health encouraging excercise ir vitamin d.
 
If seatbelts work so well why did we add airbags?

If airbags work so well why do people still die in car accidents?

This is proof that seatbelts and airbags don't work.
 
If seatbelts work so well why did we add airbags?

Because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Airbag.

If airbags work so well why do people still die in car accidents?

Because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Funeral Home.

This is proof that seatbelts and airbags don't work.

Nothing works, because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Failure.

barfo
 
Because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Airbag.



Because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Funeral Home.



Nothing works, because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Failure.

barfo


There are cars with 10 airbags in them. 10! When does this nonsense stop? We were told 1 airbag would save lives. Then 2... 3... 4... etc... if airbags are so fucking good why do we need more of them?!?
 
If A then infinity...if people get vaccines, it's just like sending them to concentration camps!
Horse shit.
Remember when some homeless guy burned the Fox Christmas tree and they said it was just like murder?
 
Because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Airbag.



Because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Funeral Home.



Nothing works, because our elected representatives are in the pocket of Big Failure.

barfo
Didn't we almost impeach the Big Airbag twice?
 
That's good. But i see people making this argument about why the vaccine should be mandated.
Maybe it’s because hospitals and healthcare workers are overloaded with unvaccinated idiots dying and all that. Vaccinated don’t die and spend time in the hospital so then typical, and important life saving healthcare can be given. It’s impacting schools. It’s impacting jobs. Figure it out.
 
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