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Seems like "sick shit..." would be more appropriate.

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Doctors who touted ivermectin as covid fix now pushing it for flu, RSV

First, the group of doctors championed ivermectin as a covid panacea. Itfailed to live up to the hype. Now, they’re promoting the anti-parasitic to prevent and treat the flu and RSV.

TheFront Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, formed in 2020 to “prevent and treat covid,” is touting ivermectin for common respiratory infections amid a dramatic drop in prescriptions for the drug as clinical trials undermined claims of its efficacy against covid.

There is no clinical data in humans to support using ivermectin for flu or RSV, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other medical experts.

And yet, the alliance publishes “treatment protocols” promotingthe use of ivermectin for flu, RSV and covid that it says have been downloaded more than a million times. It also recommends a network of hundreds of medical providers and pharmacies that can provide prescriptions for ivermectin, often throughvirtual visits that can run hundreds of dollars.

“Profiting from bunk and nonsense has no place in ethical medicine,” said Arthur Caplan, head of the division of medical ethics at the New York University Grossman School of Medicine who called the alliance’s promotion of ivermectin forcovid,flu and RSV “fraud during a pandemic on a significant scale.”

The alliance’s co-founders Pierre Kory,a Wisconsin critical care doctor, and Paul Marik, whose medical license expired in 2022 according to Virginia licensing records, declined through the alliance’s spokesman to be interviewed. Marik said through the spokesman that he chose not to renew his license.

Kory responded over email, through the spokesman,to questions about the group recommending ivermectin for flu and RSV despite the lack of scientific evidence and accusations of profiteering from medical misinformation.

“Ivermectin has been found to have strong antiviral properties and is effective as part of a protocol that includes other medications and supplements,” Kory said in a written statement.

He said doctors and medical scientists associated with the alliance began exploring how “covid-like” respiratory infections “might respond to novel treatments” anddeveloped the protocol for RSV and flu “using medical and scientific research (including over 80 references to peer reviewed studies) as well as clinical data from doctors currently treating patients.”

But the CDC and other medical experts strongly advise against such protocols.

“Ivermectin is not recommended by CDC for prevention or treatment of influenza, and there are no data from clinical trials of ivermectin for prevention or treatment of influenza in people,” CDC spokeswomanKristen Nordlund said. “It’s important to note that currently, ivermectin has not been proven as a way to prevent or treat RSV.”

The CDC has warned that ivermectin, commonly taken as a pill, can interact with medications such as blood thinners and that overdosing on ivermectin can result in gastrointestinal symptoms and neurological effects.

Nordlund also noted that the alliance itself points out on its website that there is “no (published) clinical data on the use of ivermectin in the treatment of influenza.”

While the CDC can refute the alliance’s claims, the agency does not regulate free speech — or doctors’ licenses. It has been rare for medical boards to discipline doctors for spreading misinformation, even as groups like the alliance gained influence during the coronavirus pandemic and helped shape the health decisions made by many Americans.

Studies the alliance points to as supporting the use of ivermectin for RSV and flu were conducted in test tubes, which means their conclusions have not been tested in humans, medical experts say.

“If you threw Coca-Cola into cell culture, you would see an antiviral effect. But you wouldn’t want to be squirting Coca-Cola up your nose against the flu and RSV,” said John P. Moore, a professor of microbiology and immunology at Weill Cornell Medical College.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...COfS5RtohJg_MwiGEqfHdmnWCs2ziJJgvYB_C6Vy6inM8
 
SlyPokerDog said:
“If you threw Coca-Cola into cell culture, you would see an antiviral effect. But you wouldn’t want to be squirting Coca-Cola up your nose against the flu and RSV,”
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tlongII said:
Did Covid-19 originate in a Chinese lab?
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Most likely scenario.
However, I doubt we will ever have conclusive evidence. Even if we did have more evidence, ~40% of people wouldn't believe it (regardless of what the evidence suggested).
 
Taiwanese early on in the pandemic said their research found that it started in the wet market and wasn't a lab leak. They avoided massive covid infections all through the pandemic. They claim it was the Pandolin which is a covid host. They also have no reason to cover up China's blunders.
 
riverman said:
Taiwanese early on in the pandemic said their research found that it started in the wet market and wasn't a lab leak. They avoided massive covid infections all through the pandemic. They claim it was the Pandolin which is a covid host. They also have no reason to cover up China's blunders.
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Makes the most sense.
 
I think it's most likely a leak from the Wuhan lab. I doubt it was intentional, but I believe a Wuhan leak is most likely.
 
tlongII said:
I think it's most likely a leak from the Wuhan lab. I doubt it was intentional, but I believe a Wuhan leak is most likely.
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I think that's purely western propoganda. Taiwan has a top shelf research dept and also traced the SARS epidemic down to the source in 2003...I'll take their scientific results over our "china flu" Trump era guess work. Global pandemics shouldn't be politically weaponized but that's what Trump did concerning China and went as far as denying the thing altogether for far too long...also it entered our country mostly from Europe at that point which was not quarantined from traveling here until it was too late..Taiwan closed it's borders on day one and avoided the shitstorm we went through as did New Zealand and Denmark.
 
riverman said:
I think that's purely western propoganda. Taiwan has a top shelf research dept and also traced the SARS epidemic down to the source in 2003...I'll take their scientific results over our "china flu" Trump era guess work. Global pandemics shouldn't be politically weaponized but that's what Trump did concerning China and went as far as denying the thing altogether for far too long...also it entered our country mostly from Europe at that point which was not quarantined from traveling here until it was too late..Taiwan closed it's borders on day one and avoided the shitstorm we went through as did New Zealand and Denmark.
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I think the US Intelligence community is taking the opposite view more and more as time goes by.
 
riverman said:
Taiwanese early on in the pandemic said their research found that it started in the wet market and wasn't a lab leak. They avoided massive covid infections all through the pandemic. They claim it was the Pandolin which is a covid host. They also have no reason to cover up China's blunders.
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This definitely makes the most sense.
 
From the Wall Street Journal...

WASHINGTON—The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.

The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a


From the House Foreign Affairs Committee...

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/pr...ng-covid-19-pandemic-originated-at-wuhan-lab/
 
tlongII said:
From the Wall Street Journal...

WASHINGTON—The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.

The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a


From the House Foreign Affairs Committee...

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/pr...ng-covid-19-pandemic-originated-at-wuhan-lab/
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This is a "most likely happened" statement, not a confirmation...as I said...propoganda....I'll take Taiwanese scientists over our Energy Dept speculation at this point but it's a topic that can be used to pressure China...which is what I think our "Intelligence committee." is probably floating around. It's an easy sell in the American media given the sentiments folks have about China. If Taiwan comes to this conclusion, I'll buy it.
 
How in the hell would our energy department know what happened? Why would they even weigh in on this?
 
Phatguysrule said:
How in the hell would our energy department know what happened? Why would they even weigh in on this?
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My thoughts exactly. It makes them seem totally ineffectual. Meanwhile, neo nazis are attacking our grid and Texas has blackouts after a light storm. Get your shit together.
 
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tlongII said:
They manage our nuclear weapons. I'm sure they keep an eye on China and Russia.
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They fired the whole top command of our nuclear team of about 6 people for negligence a couple days ago....I don't think excellence was the reason.
 
I worked in the Navy with Nixon's propaganda machine...we don't always tell the truth about our adversaries or even our own troops more often than people realize.
 
Phatguysrule said:
How does that make them authorities on biology, virology, or epidemiology? Those are the professions who's opinions I'd be interested in....
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I could see the DOE being tight with the CIA. Part of monitoring other countries' nukes is by spycraft. The CIA could have picked up something and is using the DOE to leak it.

That said, no one in the public or press has read the complete report. All that has been leaked is by the GOP to the WSJ.

IMO this is similar to Barr saying the Mueller report exonerated Trump when we were finally able to see the final report it clearly didn't.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I could see the DOE being tight with the CIA. Part of monitoring other countries' nukes is by spycraft. The CIA could have picked up something and is using the DOE to leak it.

That said, no one in the public or press has read the complete report. All that has been leaked is by the GOP to the WSJ.

IMO this is similar to Barr saying the Mueller report exonerated Trump when we were finally able to see the final report it clearly didn't.
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Yep. Agreed.
 
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