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jonnyboy said:
Argue all you want about the vaccine lessening your symptoms of of Covid, that’s fine, go get it then. That is what’s called a personal choice. I didn’t get it because I simply don’t need or want it. There’s no science to support the claim that my family and I are carrier monkeys that killed all you and HCP’s friends because we didn’t take some poorly tested vaccine with no long term studies. Fuck out of here with that shit. Go get boosted some more.
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lol...sounds like you're upset and running out of ammo again. (blanks actually)

Sounds like it's about time for you to run disappear for a week or so again, and claim you had to tend to "philanthropic" duties. ...funny stuff.
 
yankeesince59 said:
lol...sounds like you're upset and running out of ammo again. (blanks actually)

Sounds like it's about time for you to run disappear for a week or so again, and claim you had to tend to "philanthropic" duties. ...funny stuff.
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One of us is still discussing the thread topic and it isn’t you.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
THERE IS NO NATURAL IMMUNITY TO COVID.



There are some diseases that a person can have natural immunity to, again, covid is not one of them.

Herpes is also one of them. If someone tells you they have natural immunity to herpes DO NOT BANG THEM!
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jonnyboy said:
You’re making a false equivalency though. In order for the unvaccinated to be the “spreaders” you are asserting they are, then you have to say the unvaccinated go out and mingle more while symptomatic than the vaccinated do. I just don’t think that’s the case. Sick people stay home generally, vaccinated or not and regardless of the illness. This has been the case since before Covid. When you are symptomatic is when you are more transmissible whether vaccinated or unvaccinated.
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Sick people for a variety of reasons do not stay home when they are sick. That's why cold and flu spread through schools and office spaces.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Sick people for a variety of reasons do not stay home when they are sick. That's why cold and flu spread through schools and office spaces.
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And a symptomatic vaccinated person is just as contagious as an unvaccinated one. So what point are we trying to arrive at? Do the unvaccinated mingle more while sick than the vaccinated? Has that been studied?
 
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jonnyboy said:
And a symptomatic vaccinated person is just as contagious as an unvaccinated one. So what point are we trying to arrive at? Do the unvaccinated mingle more while sick than the unvaccinated? Has that been studied?
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I'm not sure if that is accurate.

A person with acquired immunity will have an immunological response. Meaning the body will start producing the antibodies to fight the infection. I know that isn't instantaneous, but what I don't know is if by the time a person is showing symptoms the body has started producing antibodies or if that is a universal fact for all people or do people because of age or other health problems have a delayed immunological response after becoming symptomatic.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'm not sure if that is accurate.

A person with acquired immunity will have an immunological response. Meaning the body will start producing the antibodies to fight the infection. I know that isn't instantaneous, but what I don't know is if by the time a person is showing symptoms the body has started producing antibodies or if that is a universal fact for all people or do people because of age or other health problems have a delayed immunological response after becoming symptomatic.
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How consequential do you think that would be? Enough to warrant the hatred toward the unvaccinated by assuming they spread more by some small degree? Is it enough to blame them for the pandemic? Did they tip the scales that much or is it even measurable?
 
jonnyboy said:
How consequential do you think that would be? Enough to warrant the hatred toward the unvaccinated by assuming they spread more by some small degree? Is it enough to blame them for the pandemic? Did they tip the scales that much or is it even measurable?
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It depends on the actions, employment positions, and motivations of the unvaccinated.

A health professional in a "front line" position working with the sick and injured who does not believe in vaccines and masking protocols should be removed from those positions, IMO.
 
jonnyboy said:
How consequential do you think that would be? Enough to warrant the hatred toward the unvaccinated by assuming they spread more by some small degree? Is it enough to blame them for the pandemic? Did they tip the scales that much or is it even measurable?
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Also, what does this hate look like? People aren't being denied medical treatment because they aren't vaccinated, yes, many medical professionals HATE the unvaccinated because they see firsthand the pain and loss it causes to them and their families. I paid my way through college working in a hospital. Seeing someone die is horrible. Seeing someone die from something that is preventable is horrific. But seeing the horror in front of you doesn't mean you don't try. It means you try harder. In the years you and I have been having these discussions I try my best to factually and calmly explain why are you wrong. I don't hate you, but I do hate how wrong you are and how stubbornly you hold on to your wrong beliefs.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Also, what does this hate look like? People aren't being denied medical treatment because they aren't vaccinated, yes, many medical professionals HATE the unvaccinated because they see firsthand the pain and loss it causes to them and their families. I paid my way through college working in a hospital. Seeing someone die is horrible. Seeing someone die from something that is preventable is horrific. But seeing the horror in front of you doesn't mean you don't try. It means you try harder. In the years you and I have been having these discussions I try my best to factually and calmly explain why are you wrong. I don't hate you, but I do hate how wrong you are and how stubbornly you hold on to your wrong beliefs.
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People die in many different ways and some of us have had the displeasure of seeing it up much closer and much more personally than others. There are things that claim many more lives than Covid and things that claim many less. Sometimes it’s unfair and tragic and sometimes it’s because someone did something dumb.
I really, really just don’t see how Covid became people’s hill to die on in terms of shaming another side. Throw it in the lineup of all deaths and there just isn’t a group of people you can blame in any more rational way than any other type of death.

Unless you wanna get into the lab leak stuff, then there certainly may be specific individuals you can blame and it isn’t your neighbor for not wearing a mask.
 
jonnyboy said:
People die in many different ways and some of us have had the displeasure of seeing it up much closer and much more personally than others. There are things that claim many more lives than Covid and things that claim many less. Sometimes it’s unfair and tragic and sometimes it’s because someone did something dumb.
I really, really just don’t see how Covid became people’s hill to die on in terms of shaming another side. Throw it in the lineup of all deaths and there just isn’t a group of people you can blame in any more rational way than any other type of death.

Unless you wanna get into the lab leak stuff, then there certainly may be specific individuals you can blame and it isn’t your neighbor for not wearing a mask.
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"There are things that claim more lives than covid"?..well, no shit, but that's not at all what this thread is about, is it? No, we're talking about covid, period.

And the reason why some people started "shaming another side" is because of people who think like you and your ilk, were instrumental in causing covid to last longer than it should/could have.

And you're right, a lot of people who unfortunately, "did something dumb" and many of them because of their maniacal denial, refused to take proper safeguards ...and died.
 
yankeesince59 said:
that's not at all what this thread is about, is it? No, we're talking about covid, period.
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Interesting for you to be the one trying to enforce this rule. I had to go back 5 consecutive posts of yours to find one that was even vaguely on topic. They are all your usual low brow insults having absolutely zero to do with the thread topic. Seriously, go back and look.

Zero self awareness.
 
Smallpox claimed more victims than Covid. Fortunately a very effective vaccine made smallpox a thing of the past.

We hope.
 
Yeah a very effective vaccine that produced, immunity. A thing vaccines used, to be known for.
 
jonnyboy said:
Natural immunity and the fact that everybody and their mother has had Covid by now, whether they are vaccinated or not, is what brought the numbers down. It was going to spread regardless and it did. Vaccines didn’t slow or stop the spread.
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My family has been covid free except for my son who got it at work and was fortunately vaxxed so he got through it ok. My two grown granddaughters in California got it in the first wave and had a rough time with it.. one still has respiratory problems from it. The whole world understood the danger of this virus and the countries the most successful in limiting it were highly vaccinated and not afraid to wear a mask. You've been making it an American political issue when it's actually been a world health issue all along. Lots of people avoided covid after practicing responsible safety measures. From what I see it's the unvaxxed that get outraged about seeing someone in a mask way more than people masked getting outraged over non masked people. The overwhelming majority of deaths were unvaxxed stubborn people but hey...I'm glad you're ok. I disagree with how your response to it but that's just me thinking out loud...you can do what you like in your own circle of circulation. History will not be kind to your approach to the global pandemic. Sorry to burst your bubble. I know a ton of people and have many in laws in Taiwan and yep.....none of them got covid and all are vaxxed...I'm sure Wyoming seems like the world at large but it's really not...Bill Maher and Joe Rogan are not great role models for pandemic advice either
 
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jonnyboy said:
They had to change the definition to cram the Covid one through.
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Immunity and protection are the same thing.

I think people were misinterpreting immunity to mean 100% protected. But that's not actually what it means.

So that's why the definition was updated to convey a more accurate message.

im·mu·ni·ty
/iˈmyo͞onədē/
noun
1. the state or quality of being resistant to a particular infectious disease or pathogen.
"immunity to typhoid seems to have increased spontaneously"

2. protection or exemption from something, especially an obligation or penalty.
"the rebels were given immunity from prosecution"
 
jonnyboy said:
Interesting for you to be the one trying to enforce this rule. I had to go back 5 consecutive posts of yours to find one that was even vaguely on topic. They are all your usual low brow insults having absolutely zero to do with the thread topic. Seriously, go back and look.

Zero self awareness.
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Pot/Kettle...not surprised that you choose to focus on only one part of a post and completely refuse to respond to the rest.

...your trollish claims have once again been countered as per usual, so it seems that it's you who is short on "self awareness"...lol, troll on, jb.
 
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riverman said:
the countries the most successful in limiting it were highly vaccinated and not afraid to wear a mask.
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This is false. Israel is a good example of an extremely high transmission rate in a near universally vaccinated population. The death rate isn’t exactly exemplary either despite that.
riverman said:
From what I see it's the unvaxxed that get outraged about seeing someone in a mask way more than people masked getting outraged over non masked people.
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When do you see this? When you were wearing a mask and not getting berated by lunatics?
riverman said:
History will not be kind to your approach to the global pandemic.
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Covid is over, has been for a long time. Nobody I know or have even heard of through secondary connections died from it. Everyone I know has had it though. When do you expect this retribution to take place? Sane people aren’t jumping on board with the Covid nonsense anymore. The scare tactics didn’t work the first time and certainly won’t work a second time.
 
jonnyboy said:
Covid is over, has been for a long time. Nobody I know or have even heard of through secondary connections died from it.
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Which is why you think the way you do. If one of your kids had died from it, trust me, you would have some differing opinions I promise you.
 
jonnyboy said:
This is false. Israel is a good example of an extremely high transmission rate in a near universally vaccinated population. The death rate isn’t exactly exemplary either despite that.

When do you see this? When you were wearing a mask and not getting berated by lunatics?

Covid is over, has been for a long time. Nobody I know or have even heard of through secondary connections died from it. Everyone I know has had it though. When do you expect this retribution to take place? Sane people aren’t jumping on board with the Covid nonsense anymore. The scare tactics didn’t work the first time and certainly won’t work a second time.
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Taiwan, Denmark and New Zealand had the most succes containing covid and it was by using safety measures, not denying the science. You do you but nobody hates you dude...it's called disagreement. You really sensationalize and politicize all your disagreements on the topic but the fact is vaccinations masks and hand washing saved millions of lives and covid killed millions of lives. As an old fart with a bum ticker I'm not into this "let the old go" when it comes to death. I'll take the shot. I've beaten death 3 times in my life with the help of modern medicine. That's demonstrable and not one doctor of the many I see has died from vaccinations either.
 
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THE HCP said:
Which is why you think the way you do. If one of your kids had died from it, trust me, you would have some differing opinions I promise you.
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Children dying of Covid is virtually nonexistent. Stop with the emotional manipulation.
 
riverman said:
As an old fart with a bum ticker I'm not into this "let the old go" when it comes to death. I'll take the shot. I've beaten death 3 times in my life with the help of modern medicine. That's demonstrable and not one doctor of the many I see has died from vaccinations either.
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I’ve repeatedly brought up varying age groups and believe in examining the cost/reward of the vaccine. If you’re at risk then get it, I’m not, so don’t make me. That’s really all it boils down to for me.
 
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