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A spokesperson for the "protests" said they practice "populist epidemiology" (his words) unlike "elite" epidemiology. Because how dare those snob PhD scientists who spent decades studying viruses in populations think they know more than some random dude who read a post on Facebook?

Over a million infected. 62,000 dead Americans and counting. 30 million unemployed. So much winning!
 
the continuing saga of Mike Pence, the Mayo Clinic, and face masks just dives deeper down the rabbit hole each day:

" The most amazing fact about the entire Trump White House is not that they’re constantly wrong. Any deliberately ignorant, boneheaded ideologue can be wrong—just ask Louie Gohmert. Nope, what has set Team Trump apart from the very beginning is their inability to admit to being wrong about the smallest, most obvious thing. Ever. The phone call was perfect. The inauguration crowd was huge. Little things like transcripts and photos be damned.

Fast climbing the ranks of things that are wrong, undeniably wrong, fully documented wrong, obviously, on camera, in your face wrong … and yet still being inexplicably defended by people who just can’t let anything go, is Mike Pence’s face mask. Or rather, the fact that Mike Pence doesn’t apparently have a face mask. Four days after Pence offered himself up as the great white virus vector, his staff isn’t just finding new ways to justify the unjustifiable—they’re threatening to sue reporters for showing what Pence actually did.

These are the facts:

The Mayo Clinic informed Mike Pence that anyone coming to visit their facility needed to wear a mask. Not only was that information previously acknowledge by the Mayo staff (in a now deleted tweet), Pence himself didn’t deny it when the White House was in Excuse Round #1.

Everyone with Pence at the clinic was wearing a mask. The video of him strolling around exhaling his milk breath into everyone’s face is immediately striking expressly because everyone else is clearly following the rules, and Pence is so clearly not following the rules.

Pence initial response when questioned about why he wasn’t wearing a mask wasn’t to say he didn’t know he needed to wear a mask—because it was just damn obvious that he knew he was supposed to be wearing a mask. Instead Pence claimed he didn’t wear a mask because he wanted to look healthcare workers “in the eye.” Which shows that Pence knew he should have been wearing a mask, but doesn’t know how to wear a mask.

Pence then engaged the claim that he didn’t need to wear a mask because he gets tested for COVID-19 all the time. That’s maybe not the best thing to say in a nation where most healthcare workers, nursing home workers, and people who are displaying symptoms still can’t get tested. It also offers absolutely no protection to people who could be infected by Pence between those regular tests.

In the third round of how to bungle a response, “Mother” Karen Pence was dispatched to Fox, where she denied everything up to that point and claimed that her husband was unaware that everyone in the clinic was required to wear a mask. Because the idea that Mike Pence is just intensely, intensely ignorant is always an acceptable position. Also, it’s apparently okay for Mother to blatantly lie on nationwide TV.

And now The Washington Post is ready with the next round in this thing that might be funny if it wasn’t putting people’s lives at risk. Pence’s office is threatening to sue a reporter for revealing the fact that Pence’s own office warned journalists accompanying Pence to the clinic that they would need to wear masks.

Not only did Pence’s office know that masks were required, they—not Mayo Clinic, but Pence’s team—told journalists they would have to wear masks to go along. Voice of America Reporter Steve Herman spilled the beans that all the journalists “were notified by the office of @VP the day before the trip that wearing of masks was required by the @MayoClinic and to prepare accordingly.” Clearly showing that latest claims offered up by Mother Pence are, shockingly, a big fat lie.

For making it clear that Karen Pence was simply out-and-out lying to America in the continued effort to cover up this event, an event that would be the silliest aspect of the entire crisis had not Donald Trump suggested drinking bleach, Trump’s staff is now claiming that Herman “violated the off-the-record terms” of the memo telling him to wear a mask for the trip. He has also been banned from Air Force Two and from coming along on future Pence trips.

Notice what’s not in these statements is any claim from Pence’s staff that Herman is lying. That’s exactly the problem—Herman told the truth. But his truth is getting in the way of their lies … and that clearly can’t be allowed."
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it's really hilarious in a madhouse kind of way: pence didn't wear a mask because he wanted to look people in the eye....it's almost like they are testing to see how stupid their supporters are

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ng-the-truth-Pence-knew-he-should-wear-a-mask
 
magnifier661 said:
She’s amazing. Straight to the point, great speaker and quick on her feet. She should of been the Press Secretary from day one.
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She promised never to lie to the press. Wonder how that will work out having to work for the biggest liar in the country. I give her maximum till January before she is out of there, but knowing how trump treats people, it could be next month if she holds to her promise of never lying.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Vaccines are amazing. But blindly trusting pharmaceutical companies is idiotic.


 
wizenheimer said:
the continuing saga of Mike Pence, the Mayo Clinic, and face masks just dives deeper down the rabbit hole each day:

" The most amazing fact about the entire Trump White House is not that they’re constantly wrong. Any deliberately ignorant, boneheaded ideologue can be wrong—just ask Louie Gohmert. Nope, what has set Team Trump apart from the very beginning is their inability to admit to being wrong about the smallest, most obvious thing. Ever. The phone call was perfect. The inauguration crowd was huge. Little things like transcripts and photos be damned.

Fast climbing the ranks of things that are wrong, undeniably wrong, fully documented wrong, obviously, on camera, in your face wrong … and yet still being inexplicably defended by people who just can’t let anything go, is Mike Pence’s face mask. Or rather, the fact that Mike Pence doesn’t apparently have a face mask. Four days after Pence offered himself up as the great white virus vector, his staff isn’t just finding new ways to justify the unjustifiable—they’re threatening to sue reporters for showing what Pence actually did.

These are the facts:

The Mayo Clinic informed Mike Pence that anyone coming to visit their facility needed to wear a mask. Not only was that information previously acknowledge by the Mayo staff (in a now deleted tweet), Pence himself didn’t deny it when the White House was in Excuse Round #1.

Everyone with Pence at the clinic was wearing a mask. The video of him strolling around exhaling his milk breath into everyone’s face is immediately striking expressly because everyone else is clearly following the rules, and Pence is so clearly not following the rules.

Pence initial response when questioned about why he wasn’t wearing a mask wasn’t to say he didn’t know he needed to wear a mask—because it was just damn obvious that he knew he was supposed to be wearing a mask. Instead Pence claimed he didn’t wear a mask because he wanted to look healthcare workers “in the eye.” Which shows that Pence knew he should have been wearing a mask, but doesn’t know how to wear a mask.

Pence then engaged the claim that he didn’t need to wear a mask because he gets tested for COVID-19 all the time. That’s maybe not the best thing to say in a nation where most healthcare workers, nursing home workers, and people who are displaying symptoms still can’t get tested. It also offers absolutely no protection to people who could be infected by Pence between those regular tests.

In the third round of how to bungle a response, “Mother” Karen Pence was dispatched to Fox, where she denied everything up to that point and claimed that her husband was unaware that everyone in the clinic was required to wear a mask. Because the idea that Mike Pence is just intensely, intensely ignorant is always an acceptable position. Also, it’s apparently okay for Mother to blatantly lie on nationwide TV.

And now The Washington Post is ready with the next round in this thing that might be funny if it wasn’t putting people’s lives at risk. Pence’s office is threatening to sue a reporter for revealing the fact that Pence’s own office warned journalists accompanying Pence to the clinic that they would need to wear masks.

Not only did Pence’s office know that masks were required, they—not Mayo Clinic, but Pence’s team—told journalists they would have to wear masks to go along. Voice of America Reporter Steve Herman spilled the beans that all the journalists “were notified by the office of @VP the day before the trip that wearing of masks was required by the @MayoClinic and to prepare accordingly.” Clearly showing that latest claims offered up by Mother Pence are, shockingly, a big fat lie.

For making it clear that Karen Pence was simply out-and-out lying to America in the continued effort to cover up this event, an event that would be the silliest aspect of the entire crisis had not Donald Trump suggested drinking bleach, Trump’s staff is now claiming that Herman “violated the off-the-record terms” of the memo telling him to wear a mask for the trip. He has also been banned from Air Force Two and from coming along on future Pence trips.

Notice what’s not in these statements is any claim from Pence’s staff that Herman is lying. That’s exactly the problem—Herman told the truth. But his truth is getting in the way of their lies … and that clearly can’t be allowed."
********************

it's really hilarious in a madhouse kind of way: pence didn't wear a mask because he wanted to look people in the eye....it's almost like they are testing to see how stupid their supporters are

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...ng-the-truth-Pence-knew-he-should-wear-a-mask
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Lie until it’s not a lie anymore
 
magnifier661 said:
She’s amazing. Straight to the point, great speaker and quick on her feet. She should of been the Press Secretary from day one.
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Truly she is an amazing liar, she makes Kellyanne look like Honest Abe.

barfo
 
Shaboid said:
Just got word that my employer is going to be asking everyone to start coming back into the office on Monday. We'll see what their official communication is when it comes out, but I think it's a bit too soon. How am I supposed to avoid people when I have to take the elevator up to the 15th floor. Stupid choice in my opinion, but alas, the Governor of the state I live in is an effing clown.
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I encountered that when I was at the VA hospital. I got on an elevator with my ambulance driver and at the last second someone steps on. I directed my ambulance driver to push my wheelchair off the elevator and we took another,empty one.

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The VA hospital has signs near every floor of every elevator saying that no more than 2 to 3 people should be on any elevator at any time.
 
Lanny said:
I encountered that when I was at the VA hospital. I got on an elevator with my ambulance driver and at the last second someone steps on. I directed my ambulance driver to push my wheelchair off the elevator and we took another,empty one.

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The VA hospital has signs near every floor of every elevator saying that no more than 2 to 3 people should be on any elevator at any time.
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IF I WERE YOUR AMBULANCE DRIVER, I WOULD HAVE TOLD THE PERSON GETTING IN THE ELEVATOR TO STEP OFF
 
Lanny said:
I encountered that when I was at the VA hospital. I got on an elevator with my ambulance driver and at the last second someone steps on. I directed my ambulance driver to push my wheelchair off the elevator and we took another,empty one.

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The VA hospital has signs near every floor of every elevator saying that no more than 2 to 3 people should be on any elevator at any time.
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Stunning and brave.
 
magnifier661 said:
Oh so it shouldn’t be a problem naming her lies then. I’ll wait.

mags
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"Absolutely, this president will always put America first, he will always protect American citizens," McEnany said. "We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here, we will not see terrorism, and isn't that refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of Barack Obama?"

Ok, you can argue that she was just ignorant when she said that, not lying, if you wish.

barfo
 
Lanny said:
I encountered that when I was at the VA hospital. I got on an elevator with my ambulance driver and at the last second someone steps on. I directed my ambulance driver to push my wheelchair off the elevator and we took another,empty one.

Edit:
The VA hospital has signs near every floor of every elevator saying that no more than 2 to 3 people should be on any elevator at any time.
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It's been almost a month since I've been in the building, so it will be interesting to see what changes and notifications are up.
 
barfo said:
"Absolutely, this president will always put America first, he will always protect American citizens," McEnany said. "We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here, we will not see terrorism, and isn't that refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of Barack Obama?"

Ok, you can argue that she was just ignorant when she said that, not lying, if you wish.

barfo
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Considering Swine Flu is less deadly than Corona, that’s a true statement so far. I hope you can do better than that desperate reach.

mags
 
magnifier661 said:
Considering Swine Flu is less deadly than Corona, that’s a true statement so far. I hope you can do better than that desperate reach.

mags
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I can't even make sense of your response. How is swine flu relevant to the coronavirus not coming here?

barfo
 
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magnifier661 said:
Considering Swine Flu is less deadly than Corona, that’s a true statement so far. I hope you can do better than that desperate reach.

mags
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I'm not sure I understand your reply.
 
barfo said:
I can't even make sense of your response. How is swine flu relevant to the coronavirus not coming here?

barfo
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That was the pandemic Obama’s Administration had, Corona is the Trump Pandemic. That’s the truth of the contrast.

As for the second part. I said is that the best you could come up with? As in, you had to go back to previous statements. I asked what was “lies” that you claimed she said during this press briefing. Sad!

mags
 
jonnyboy said:
Stunning and brave.
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Since we got on the elevator first and then the other guy, I wonder how he felt when we immediately got off the elevator and headed for another elevator.
 
magnifier661 said:
That was the pandemic Obama’s Administration had, Corona is the Trump Pandemic. That’s the truth of the contrast.

As for the second part. I said is that the best you could come up with? As in, you had to go back to previous statements. I asked what was “lies” that you claimed she said during this press briefing. Sad!

mags
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Sorry, but there weren't 60 thousand dead and counting from the swine flu. Nobody geared up at the hospitals for the swine flu unless you want to count all the encouragement to get a flu shot.
Right now, my health care team is wearing masks and gloves. They are also mandating strict distancing from other patients. They never felt compelled do this during the swine flu.
I never feared death from the swine flu.
I mean that's like comparing a mouse to an elephant.
 
Lanny said:
Sorry, but there weren't 60 thousand dead and counting from the swine flu. Nobody geared up at the hospitals for the swine flu unless you want to count all the encouragement to get a flu shot.
Right now, my health care team is wearing masks and gloves. They are also mandating strict distancing from other patients. They never felt compelled do this during the swine flu.
I never feared death from the swine flu.
I mean that's like comparing a mouse to an elephant.
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And? Did I say the Swine Flu was deadlier? I’m reading back and said no such thing.

I was comparing that both Administrations dealt with pandemics. Glad you admit the Trump Administration has a much scarier, more deadly and required way more focus than the “soft ball swine flu.”
 
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