OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

[BigGameDamian]

 

[wizenheimer]

Couldn’t read your post any more past the first “You’re an R and hate poor people” disclaimer. I grew up poor and on food stamps, so try again. There are members of my family who still haven’t managed to claw their way above the poverty line and I’m left strained at times helping them. You know dick about me. I will help anyone if I can and I don’t care who they are, and I’m not just talking shit. If your entire post is based on a fallacy then there’s no point reading the rest of it. Thanks for taking the time though.

oh for fucksakes....did you really think I wrote that for you?....LOL...get a grip man

I wrote it because something you said stood out to me and I had thoughts I felt like sharing. I don't really care what your origins were. Your ten year old self isn't posting stuff here, neither are your poor relations...your current self is posting and that's who made the post that set off my rant

 

[jonnyboy]

oh for fucksakes....did you really think I wrote that for you?....LOL...get a grip man

I wrote it because something you said stood out to me and I had thoughts I felt like sharing. I don't really care what your origins were. Your ten year old self isn't posting stuff here, neither are your poor relations...your current self is posting and that's who made the post that set off my rant

How outlandish of me to think you wrote it for me!

You literally replied to my post and insinuated I’m part of a group that doesn’t care about poor people, and suggested I wouldn’t use that justification in any other instance if it didn’t fit my agenda. You also implied that I’m the type of person to “speak out against food stamps and SNAP”.

Perhaps next time you simply feel like “just sharing some thoughts” maybe don’t do it in a reply to someone where you also make a bunch of not-so-vague insinuations about the very person you are replying to.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Louisiana governor announces 3-day fast and prayer due to coronavirus outbreak
'I’m going to call for three days of fasting and prayer for our state'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/louisiana-coronavirus-gov-prayer

 

[CupWizier]

oh for fucksakes....did you really think I wrote that for you?....LOL...get a grip man

I wrote it because something you said stood out to me and I had thoughts I felt like sharing. I don't really care what your origins were. Your ten year old self isn't posting stuff here, neither are your poor relations...your current self is posting and that's who made the post that set off my rant

seems to be some sense of guilt in his replay. Otherwise he would have just ignored it and moved on. lol

 

[BigGameDamian]

So when is today's Trump campaign rally I mean the Coronavirus task force meeting?

Fauci or Birx won't be invited plus more. What a shock!

 

[wizenheimer]

Perhaps next time you simply feel like “just sharing some thoughts” maybe don’t do it in a reply to someone where you also make a bunch of not-so-vague insinuations about the very person you are replying to.

oh my gawd.....

 

[wizenheimer]

Louisiana governor announces 3-day fast and prayer due to coronavirus outbreak
'I’m going to call for three days of fasting and prayer for our state'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/louisiana-coronavirus-gov-prayer

well....it's worked so well for mass shootings

 

[wizenheimer]

* " The White House announced on Monday that Donald Trump will be resuming his coronavirus briefings on Tuesday afternoon. That announcement seemed to catch members of Trump’s coronavirus task force by surprise, with Dr. Anthony Fauci learning about it in the middle of an interview and saying that he “expected” to be part of such briefings … though admitting he knew nothing about it.


As it turns out, Dr. Fauci need not concern himself. CDC Director Robert Redfield can also stay home, as can the disturbingly fawning Dr. Deborah Birx. Even Mike Pence can apparently grab a chair and watch. Because Trump is doing this briefing solo. Meaning that America can expect to get a briefing on the most critical items of the deadly crisis: The need to defend racist statutes, why polls are all fake news, and just where is Hunter anyway?

The last time America joined Donald Trump for a multi-hour rally substitute, it was to ponder the deep questions of whether injecting bleach, or putting sunlight inside people, could take care of COVID-19. The biggest difference between that event and what the nation can expect on Tuesday is that there will be no one for Trump to turn to and ask if his sudden inspirations just happen to be deadly ignorance.


According to CNN, not everyone at the White House is exactly thrilled at the idea of Trump stepping back in front of the camera for the kind of low energy, disjointed ramble he displayed day after day in his original briefings. The more Americans saw of Trump, the lower his handling of the crisis went, and White House aides spent weeks talking Trump off that ledge to get his appearances cancelled in the first place.


Now, with Trump falling ever further behind Biden in the polls and his attempts to restart his rallies ended in embarrassment—and outbreaks—a portion of the White House staff feels it’s critical that Trump get back out there and pretend to care about the lives of the hundreds of thousands of Americans currently infected with SARS-CoV-2 and the millions threatened by COVID-19. Even Trump wasn’t all that keen on getting back at that podium after listening to the months of jokes that resulted from his last off the cuff suggestion on internal disinfectants.

So the White House made a deal—Trump can talk about whatever he wants, not just the pandemic that threatens every family in the nation. That’s right. What’s being sold to the networks as a coronavirus briefing is really just Free Airtime for Trump to lie about anything he likes. China. Antifa. Obama. You can absolutely bet it’s going to all be there." *

 

[lawai'a]

 

[jonnyboy]

seems to be some sense of guilt in his replay. Otherwise he would have just ignored it and moved on. lol

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

my inside sauces are telling me that a major epidemiologist is pushing for an 8 week total lockdown in LA.

 

[jonnyboy]

oh my gawd.....

When I respond to people I don’t pretend I’m not responding to people.

 

[crandc]

Strange that the party that claims they're for the sanctity of life, and are pro life, don't seem to give a shit once you're born.

Entirely typical. Look at politicians, states in the US, countries around the world; those who are most against birth control and abortion are the worst for prenatal care, child care, child health, education, pollution control. Reverse is also true.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

my inside sauces are telling me that a major epidemiologist is pushing for an 8 week total lockdown in LA.

and...I booked a flight to hawaii last night for september. They'll prob extend the ban though.

Oh well. They will require a 72 hour COVID test prior to departure. Booked Delta which is 60% capacity + middle seat blocked. Everything is cancellable though, just playing it by ear.

 

[ABM]

Strange that the party that claims they're for the sanctity of life, and are pro life, don't seem to give a shit once you're born.

Well, guess what...you have a choice in the matter. The unborn doesn't.

 

[wizenheimer]

When I respond to people I don’t pretend I’m not responding to people.

When I post to a message board, I actually think more that one person will see the post, and the thing is, this thread is 670 pages long with over 13,000 replies in it. There's more going on than just your individual take on broke people and their grocery issues. The shin bone is connected to the ankle bone, but there's a clavicle around too

 

[wizenheimer]

Well, guess what...you have a choice in the matter. The unborn doesn't.

well, get born, then complain

 

[CupWizier]

Well, guess what...you have a choice in the matter. The unborn doesn't.

Really now? So the person that contracted covid 19 and died, had a choice? The person that died of cancer had a choice? The person that was murdered had a choice? All the victims of gun violence had a choice? The victims of mass shootings had a choice?

What a fucking ignorant statement.

 

[ABM]

Really now? So the person that contracted covid 19 and died, had a choice? The person that died of cancer had a choice? The person that was murdered had a choice? All the victims of gun violence had a choice? The victims of mass shootings had a choice?

What a fucking ignorant statement.

Talk about missing the point. Just wow.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

and...I booked a flight to hawaii last night for september. They'll prob extend the ban though.

Oh well. They will require a 72 hour COVID test prior to departure. Booked Delta which is 60% capacity + middle seat blocked. Everything is cancellable though, just playing it by ear.

Leave your fiance and take me! I promise I'm much more fun!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Leave your fiance and take me! I promise I'm much more fun!

THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TRIP. WE WILL BE CONDUCTING INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS

 

[SlyPokerDog]

THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS TRIP. WE WILL BE CONDUCTING INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS

Fine, this is an international website so take me to Hawaii, I'll make you a mod, and you can do all sorts of international bizness on your phone poolside.

 

[wizenheimer]

maybe some good news about immunity:

* "And then there is SARS-CoV-2, the virus behind the disease COVID-19. From the beginning, there have been worries that this virus might combine the worst of other coronaviruses: highly infectious, deadly, and not generating a lasting immune response. That nightmare scenario has had researchers, and a lot of nonresearchers, holding their breath for months. Well … breathe. COVID-19 is a rat bastard of a disease, but the latest indications are that it’s not going to turn into an endlessly spinning cycle of disaster. We really can put this thing behind us.
The fact that some coronaviruses do not create a lasting immune response has been a shadow over the COVID-19 pandemic from the beginning, and there have certainly been a series of reports that have made that shadow seem darker.


Early on, officials in Hubei Province indicated that as much as 15% of patients were testing positive for COVID-19 a second time after having a negative result. These numbers were seriously alarming, especially as this 15% rate of secondary infection happened in a very brief period. However, it’s almost certain that these results were more related to testing errors in China’s early antibody-based testing. No other country has reproduced these results, or anything like them.


However, as researchers began looking into the immune response generated by COVID-19, it became clear that in many cases patients with the mild or asymptomatic cases had relatively low levels of antibodies when compared with patients—especially older patients—who had gone through more severe cases. And follow-up studies indicated that the level of antibodies for all cases dropped off 15%-40% over a period of just two or three months, meaning that some of those mild cases dropped to the point where they no longer tested positive. Antibodies are far from the only measure of immune response, but this did increase the worries that immunity to COVID-19 might be weak and fleeting.

However, a paper that reached preprint last week provides some reassuring information right in the title: “SARS-CoV-2 infection induces robust, neutralizing antibody responses that are stable for at least three months.” This study, based on a large database of nearly 20,000 patients treated at New York City’s Mount Sinai Hospital, showed that the “vast majority” or patients with mild or moderate COVID-19 still had strong antibody responses to the viral spike protein from SARS-CoV-2 three months later. The expectation of the authors is that at least 90% of all patients are immune to reinfection for at least three months.


This is absolutely not the last word on this subject. For one thing, this paper is still undergoing peer review. For another, the number of anecdotal cases of someone testing positive, then negative, then positive again indicates that, at the very least, some people experience a resurgence of the virus, if not a true second infection, within a short period. It still seems entirely possible that people who tested positive on a PCR swab test but had a very mild immune response might be susceptible to a second infection within a short period.


All of this makes it more important that any potential COVID-19 vaccine produce an immune response robust enough to avoid any concerns about rapid drop off. And there’s good news on that front as well. Phase 2 results of the Oxford vaccine have been published in The Lancet, and they’re as good—and maybe even better—than anyone had hoped. In earlier animal testing, the Oxford vaccine had produced a less robust antibody response than either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines, and actually a lower level than found by patients experiencing a moderate case of COVID-19. However, the actual vaccine in actual patients worked better.


As with the Moderna vaccine, the Oxford vaccine involves two shots given 28 days apart. And just as with the Moderna results released earlier this month, a number of the Oxford patients experienced relatively mild side effects (fever, chills, muscle aches, headaches) similar to the experience of patients receiving a flu vaccine. Unlike the Moderna trial where one person developed a serious fever, there were no strong side effects. After the first shot, 91% of patients had a measurable neutralizing antibody response against SARS-CoV-2. After a second shot, that number was 100%. The rate of the response was in the mid-range of levels seen in convalescent plasma—which is lower than the response seen in the Moderna phase 1 numbers, but there’s no indication that the Oxford numbers aren’t sufficient.

Full development of a response in all patients took until about 14 days following the booster shot—so even when the vaccine is available, everyone may face something of a maddening six weeks between visiting the doctor and feeling fairly safe from COVID-19. However, some people in the U.K. may get to start that countdown surprisingly soon as the Phase 3 studies could be done in September if everything goes well. It’s entirely possible that some healthcare workers could be getting their initial injection around Halloween.


Overall, the results from vaccine tests have been good, and the latest studies on lasting immunity to COVID-19 look good. Everything indicates that this nightmare does have an end." *

The Daily Kos is a left wing rag for sure but the author of this article, Mark Sumner, has written dozens of fairly objective articles about Covid

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on a related note, I saw Laurie Garrett, a Pulitzer prize winning journalist on TV last night. She mentioned something I wasn't aware of: that being that 190 nations had signed a 'treaty' thru WHO agreeing to share equitably in any vaccine or treatment developed for Covid. But of course, the US hasn't signed so an Oxford vaccine, if it's the best one, might be delayed in arriving in the US. Don't you love it....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

As with the Moderna vaccine, the Oxford vaccine involves two shots given 28 days apart. And just as with the Moderna results released earlier this month, a number of the Oxford patients experienced relatively mild side effects (fever, chills, muscle aches, headaches) similar to the experience of patients receiving a flu vaccine. Unlike the Moderna trial where one person developed a serious fever, there were no strong side effects. After the first shot, 91% of patients had a measurable neutralizing antibody response against SARS-CoV-2. After a second shot, that number was 100%. The rate of the response was in the mid-range of levels seen in convalescent plasma—which is lower than the response seen in the Moderna phase 1 numbers, but there’s no indication that the Oxford numbers aren’t sufficient.

Interesting. I don't think I've ever had a side effect from getting a flu shot but I know others have said they have.

 

[Minstrel]

Interesting. I don't think I've ever had a side effect from getting a flu shot but I know others have said they have.

Yeah, every time I get a flu shot, I'm warned that there could be side effects like fever, nausea, stomach upset...never experienced any of that.

 

[jonnyboy]

When I post to a message board, I actually think more that one person will see the post, and the thing is, this thread is 670 pages long with over 13,000 replies in it. There's more going on than just your individual take on broke people and their grocery issues. The shin bone is connected to the ankle bone, but there's a clavicle around too

The sidestepping here is impressive. You tried to call me out through a reply, it backfired, and you are now trying to reign it back by making baloney claims and dancing around the fact that you basically talked shit and ended up being wrong. It really is that simple. Save your vague metaphors and symbolic talk of “the forum as a whole” for the next time you fall on your face.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yeah, every time I get a flu shot, I'm warned that there could be side effects like fever, nausea, stomach upset...never experienced any of that.

Now my distemper and rabies shots are different. Those things suck.

 

[Minstrel]

Now my distemper and rabies shots are different. Those things suck.

Oh, I wondered how you contracted rabies. Just took it straight into your veins, eh?

 

[CupWizier]

Talk about missing the point. Just wow.

You had a point?