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Science sometimes contradicts what I want to be true.

Facts are facts whether we like them or not. Most of us figure that out in childhood. No fairy godmother, no flying carpet, frogs don't become handsome princes. Sad!!!!
 
Science =/ Fact

science
The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
 
tlongII said:
That's part of the problem.
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If you mean that Trump has said so much crazy and stupid stuff on twitter that it's hard to tell what is fake from real than I completely agree.

I bet if you showed Trump that tweet he wouldn't know if he sent it or not.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you mean that Trump has said so much crazy and stupid stuff on twitter that it's hard to tell what is fake from real than I completely agree.

I bet if you showed Trump that tweet he wouldn't know if he sent it or not.
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Trump is an idiot the way he uses Twitter. I can't stand the app myself. You can't tell what's real and what isn't. Unfortunately there are a lot of gullible people that will believe anything they see on there.
 
“The CDC is broken. Seriously broken,”

the latest flip-flop by the CDC about airborne transmission is being slammed by experts:

* "Scientists are firing back at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention after the federal agency on Monday reversed its identification of the coronavirus as an airborne virus, a conclusion that many experts say scientific evidence has supported for months now.

The CDC’s brief recognition of the virus as being airborne on Friday was celebrated as long overdue by concurring scientists, who expressed relief that the agency was finally catching up. Three days later, however, the agency said that new language in its coronavirus guidance had been published in error.

“The CDC is broken. Seriously broken,” Matthew Fox, an epidemiology and global health professor at Boston University, tweeted in response.

Scientists and public health experts scoffed at the CDC’s flip-flop. Not only was it dangerous to release confusing information during a pandemic, they argued, but the science doesn’t support the stance the agency was apparently reverting to.

“There’s something odd going on at the CDC,” tweeted Joseph Allen of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health."
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* " “Who knows what the agency position will be by Friday,” tweeted Richard Corsi, an indoor air quality expert and dean of Portland State University’s college of engineering and computer science in Oregon. “To wear blinders to evidence is to bring a country to its knees.”

In a Washington Post op-ed published on Tuesday, Allen and Linsey C. Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech with expertise in airborne virus transmission, broke down the evidence supporting the conclusion that the virus is airborne ― and thus capable of person-to-person transmission through tiny respiratory droplets called aerosols.

“The science here is fairly straightforward. When you talk or sing — or even just breathe — you emit a range of particles of different sizes. Yes, there might be one or two particles that are large enough to see and that fall to the ground within six feet, but there are also thousands of particles that are smaller than five microns (or five millionths of a meter),” Allen and Marr wrote."
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* " The tiny droplets can remain suspended in the air for longer periods of time, as well as travel farther, than larger droplets. In some cases, they’re able to travel well over 6 feet, which is the current physical distance recommended by the CDC.

“Our whole field has been shouting from the rooftops that airborne transmission was happening and that ventilation and filtration were crucial to limiting the spread of the disease,” Allen and Marr wrote.

The two professors cited one recent study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, that found viable samples of the coronavirus in air samples collected up to 16 feet away from patients hospitalized with COVID-19. No health procedures that would generate aerosols had taken place in the room, leading to the determination that the patients were generating the aerosols themselves by coughing, sneezing and even talking.

“For aerosol-based transmission, measures such as physical distancing by 6 feet would not be helpful in an indoor setting, provide a false sense of security and lead to exposures and outbreaks,” the study states."
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* " Though the CDC and the World Health Organization have stated that airborne transmission of the virus has not been proven, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top infectious disease expert in the U.S., last month said that the coronavirus “is much more aerosols than we thought,” citing evidence presented to him by aerosol and particle physicists. What remains unknown, he said at a panel Tuesday on Citizen by CNN, is the extent to which the aerosol component is contributing to the virus’s transmission.

“Rather than bending ourselves out of shape trying to figure out what percentage it is or is not or how well it’s proven, make an assumption that some component of it is aerosol and act accordingly, which means do what we’ve been telling you to do all along. It doesn’t change what we’re doing,” Fauci said"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scie...ronavirus-airborne_n_5f6a0070c5b655acbc701b2c

is there really any doubt what happened here? Epidemiologists at the CDC concluded there was enough compelling evidence to suggest airborne aerosol transmission was a factor, and issues that warning. Political hacks at HHS decided that science was counter-productive to trump's election chances so then...fuck that science and sacrifice more lives to trump's corruption and incompetence.
 
tlongII said:
Trump is an idiot the way he uses Twitter. I can't stand the app myself. You can't tell what's real and what isn't. Unfortunately there are a lot of gullible people that will believe anything they see on there.
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You mean like the whole injecting yourself with bleach thing?
 
tlongII said:
Trump is an idiot the way he uses Twitter. I can't stand the app myself. You can't tell what's real and what isn't. Unfortunately there are a lot of gullible people that will believe anything they see on there.
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It depends on what you use the app FOR. If you are basing your opinion on what you read on twitter, you are a moron in the first place. I use it for sports, weather and entertainment.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...ne-fauci-tells-congress-it-may-take-time.html

Fauci tells Congress 'it might take some time' before the public gets a coronavirus vaccine

  • Dr. Anthony Fauci also said there's "growing optimism" that scientists will find one or more safe and effective vaccines by the end of the year or early 2021.
  • Fauci touted vaccines by Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson.
  • J&J announced earlier in the day that it has begun phase three testing of its vaccine
 
tlongII said:
Did he tweet that? I don’t believe he ever did, but hey I could be wrong since I don’t use Twitter.
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He said it in a press conference
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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"she has become so unhappy with what she sees as her diminished role"

I guess standing behind Trump and smiling while he lied was the highlight of her career.

But maybe she can have a second career as a scarf saleswoman. Or maybe she's already taking payoffs from Big Scarf.

barfo
 
THE HCP said:
And arguing where you can get the best burrito locally.
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I'd rather have a good quality tostada with some Emerald Valley salsa. But nothing beats a great steak fajita on a sizzling platter and a potent margarita, some fresh out of the fryer corn chips and some great salsa.
 
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