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oldfisherman said:
There only about 4 mutations of the flu. And we can not get rid of it with yearly flu vacine shots.
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Yes, there are only four strains of flu virus, but there are multiple mutations to each of them, even within a single flu season, that can limit a vaccine’s effectiveness. Unlike the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, which has a stable spike structure that scientists have targeted with the new vaccines, flu viruses can mutate in ways that yield vaccines ineffective or marginally effective. Add to that the fact that only about 45% of the adult US population gets vaccinated each year, and it’s pretty easy to see why there are still outbreaks each year. The good news is that there are new types of universal flu vaccines in development that are expected to be effective against all types of flu and perhaps will only require a single lifetime vaccination.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...n-trial-universal-influenza-vaccine-candidate
 
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Senate Republicans are holding a hearing on Coronavirus with primary witness an antivaxxer.

They are pretending Biden didn't win election but they know he will be inaugurated and the new administration will be responsible for getting vaccine distributed. Promoting antivax nonsense makes it harder. Then they can say see Biden didn't get the vaccine out fast.

So what if people die?
 
crandc said:
Senate Republicans are holding a hearing on Coronavirus with primary witness an antivaxxer.

They are pretending Biden didn't win election but they know he will be inaugurated and the new administration will be responsible for getting vaccine distributed. Promoting antivax nonsense makes it harder. Then they can say see Biden didn't get the vaccine out fast.

So what if people die?
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oldfisherman said:
The USA population has about three times as many people that are overweight vs Taiwan.

Many covid studies going on now. Most if not all studies agree the more overweight you are, the more likely you will need to be treated in a hospital, and dieing from complications caused by covid.
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OK, then look at their positivity rates compared with ours...

It doesn't paint a pretty picture.
 
Phatguysrule said:
OK, then look at their positivity rates compared with ours...

It doesn't paint a pretty picture.
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OK, now we can get into the meat of the problem.

The short answer is. The Taiwan govt has done a much better job controlling covid than our govt, every step of the way.

They closed borders faster and tighter than us.

They distributed supplies faster, such as masks, and in much larger quantites.

They have a very good contact tracing system in place, do we?

They have a support system in place for those in quarantine. Do we?

They also pay everyone affected by a quarantine $30 per day, for two weeks, to help with extra expenses. This has also encouraged people with the virus to quarantine, and reduce the spread of the virus.
 
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oldfisherman said:
OK, now we can get into the meat of the problem.

The short answer is. The Tawain govt has done a much better job controlling covid than our govt, every step of the way.

They closed borders faster and tighter than us.

They distributed supplies faster, such as masks, and in much larger quantites.

They have a very good contact tracing system in place, do we?

They have a support system in place for those in quarantine. Do we?

They also pay everyone affected by a quarantine $30 per day, for two weeks, to help with extra expenses. This has also encouraged people with the virus to quarantine, and reduce the spread of the virus.
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Bingo.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...e-you-if-you-refuse-the-coronavirus-shot.html

Yes, your boss can fire you if you refuse to get a Covid vaccine

KEY POINTS
  • Companies are considering compulsory Covid vaccination requirements as a condition of employment.
  • "Under the law, an employer can force an employee to get vaccinated, and if they don't, fire them," said Rogge Dunn, a Dallas labor and employment attorney.
  • Anti-discrimination laws would enable eligible employees to request an exemption from a company-wide coronavirus vaccine mandate.
 
BigGameDamian said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=74578775

Coronavirus live updates: After Trump officials turned down Pfizer offer, US may not get more vaccines doses until June

Pfizer may be unable to produce more doses for U.S. citizens until June 2021
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the incompetence shows up again and again. Fucking idiots

the only good news here is that it's the Pfizer vaccine that requires ultra-cold storage and has a shorter shelf life

I think the trump administration is so detestable that I would not be surprised, at all, if they deliberately let the US fall to the back of lines of nations signing contracts for vaccines just for fuck the Biden presidency
 
crandc said:
Senate Republicans are holding a hearing on Coronavirus with primary witness an antivaxxer.

They are pretending Biden didn't win election but they know he will be inaugurated and the new administration will be responsible for getting vaccine distributed. Promoting antivax nonsense makes it harder. Then they can say see Biden didn't get the vaccine out fast.

So what if people die?
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Slimy bastards.
 
More on how badly trump bollixed vaccine delivery:

* "As The New York Times reports, Trump had a chance to secure millions more doses of Pfizer’s mRNA-based vaccine. Obtaining those doses for the nation didn’t require a long-shot bet made way back at the beginning of the pandemic. That chance came in early November, when good results from Phase 2 trials had already been analyzed and Phase 3 results were just days away.

Trump didn’t pull the trigger. Other nations did. As a result, the United States will have access to enough vaccine for about 50 million people over the next eight months, and will have to wait for summer 2021 before more is available. That number could have been doubled had the U.S. committed to expanding its purchase when given the opportunity.

But just because the horse has definitively left the barn doesn’t mean that Trump isn’t planning to slam a big door. On Tuesday, Trump is expected to issue an executive order that “proclaims that other nations will not get the U.S. supplies of its vaccine until Americans have been inoculated.” Except that this order appears to be worth even less than Trump’s usual Sharpie-scrawled paperwork.

The sale of the vaccine to other nations is a done deal. As the BBC notes, the first inoculation with the vaccine outside of a trial occurred on Tuesday morning, with a 91-year-old British woman getting the first dose. And 800,000 doses are already on their way to the U.K.—and that’s just one of several international orders. The European Union announced a deal on November 11 for 200 million doses, twice the number that will be available to the U.S. over coming months. Other nations have negotiated additional deals.

There are other vaccines. The U.S.-based Moderna is just weeks behind Pfizer with their vaccine, which is based on similar technology and which achieved a staggering 94.5% efficacy in Phase 3 trials. Enough of their vaccine has been ordered to cover another 50 million Americans.

The real big bet that Trump and Operation Warp Speed laid down was on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which should have been available to 100 million Americans. However, Phase 3 trials of that vaccine indicated that it may be significantly less effective than either Moderna or Pfizer in protecting against the virus. More importantly, a manufacturing and distribution error in AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 trial makes it difficult to interpret the actual efficacy of their vaccine, and is likely to delay emergency approval by the FDA.

More vaccine doses are expected to be available from Johnson & Johnson and Novavax, both of which are still conducting Phase 3 trials. Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is notable for only requiring a single dose. However, they are not expected to report Phase 3 results until sometime in January or February.

Failing to secure additional doses of Pfizer’s vaccine in spite of promising results in Phase 1 and Phase 2 testing, means that Americans will be waiting longer, and have fewer options when it comes to receiving a vaccine. No matter what Trump writes on his executive order. That is, unless Trump genuinely intends to order troops to rip crates of vaccines out of the hands of doctors set to deliver it to nations that have already placed an order and negotiated payment. Which would only be an act of war."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...cause-Trump-passed-on-opportunity-to-buy-more

the guy who said we'd get tired of all the winning made a big bet on a vaccine that might not ever be approved. stupid asshole
 
wizenheimer said:
More on how badly trump bollixed vaccine delivery:

* "As The New York Times reports, Trump had a chance to secure millions more doses of Pfizer’s mRNA-based vaccine. Obtaining those doses for the nation didn’t require a long-shot bet made way back at the beginning of the pandemic. That chance came in early November, when good results from Phase 2 trials had already been analyzed and Phase 3 results were just days away.

Trump didn’t pull the trigger. Other nations did. As a result, the United States will have access to enough vaccine for about 50 million people over the next eight months, and will have to wait for summer 2021 before more is available. That number could have been doubled had the U.S. committed to expanding its purchase when given the opportunity.

But just because the horse has definitively left the barn doesn’t mean that Trump isn’t planning to slam a big door. On Tuesday, Trump is expected to issue an executive order that “proclaims that other nations will not get the U.S. supplies of its vaccine until Americans have been inoculated.” Except that this order appears to be worth even less than Trump’s usual Sharpie-scrawled paperwork.

The sale of the vaccine to other nations is a done deal. As the BBC notes, the first inoculation with the vaccine outside of a trial occurred on Tuesday morning, with a 91-year-old British woman getting the first dose. And 800,000 doses are already on their way to the U.K.—and that’s just one of several international orders. The European Union announced a deal on November 11 for 200 million doses, twice the number that will be available to the U.S. over coming months. Other nations have negotiated additional deals.

There are other vaccines. The U.S.-based Moderna is just weeks behind Pfizer with their vaccine, which is based on similar technology and which achieved a staggering 94.5% efficacy in Phase 3 trials. Enough of their vaccine has been ordered to cover another 50 million Americans.

The real big bet that Trump and Operation Warp Speed laid down was on the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which should have been available to 100 million Americans. However, Phase 3 trials of that vaccine indicated that it may be significantly less effective than either Moderna or Pfizer in protecting against the virus. More importantly, a manufacturing and distribution error in AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 trial makes it difficult to interpret the actual efficacy of their vaccine, and is likely to delay emergency approval by the FDA.

More vaccine doses are expected to be available from Johnson & Johnson and Novavax, both of which are still conducting Phase 3 trials. Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine is notable for only requiring a single dose. However, they are not expected to report Phase 3 results until sometime in January or February.

Failing to secure additional doses of Pfizer’s vaccine in spite of promising results in Phase 1 and Phase 2 testing, means that Americans will be waiting longer, and have fewer options when it comes to receiving a vaccine. No matter what Trump writes on his executive order. That is, unless Trump genuinely intends to order troops to rip crates of vaccines out of the hands of doctors set to deliver it to nations that have already placed an order and negotiated payment. Which would only be an act of war."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...cause-Trump-passed-on-opportunity-to-buy-more

the guy who said we'd get tired of all the winning made a big bet on a vaccine that might not ever be approved. stupid asshole
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I don't think anybody should be surprised at this. Trump is going to make it as hard as he can I'm biting and then turn around as a bind didn't do anything on the vaccine front. If possible I bet Trump would delay the vaccine all 4 years of Bidens presidency.
 
GoBlazersGo said:
Tito Ortiz is a fucking goof...
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When he was elected (with something small like 14% of the vote) he said he wouldn't concede until Trump was reelected. He has no idea what the fuck he is talking about or doing. He also missed the first council meeting because he didn't know he was supposed to be there.
 
speeds said:
When he was elected (with something small like 14% of the vote) he said he wouldn't concede until Trump was reelected. He has no idea what the fuck he is talking about or doing. He also missed the first council meeting because he didn't know he was supposed to be there.
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Shocking, I tell you!
 
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