OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (2 Viewers)

[Jon]

 

[BigGameDamian]

All these news stations acting like the pandemic is coming to an end just because everyone will be eligible for the vaccine next week.

 

[Minstrel]

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Their friend is dumb.

 

[Lanny]

already had it. it didn't do anything more than feeling like I had the flu for maybe 2 days.

no. it wont change my mind at all. nothing will.

Tell that to the families of the nearly 600,000 deceased and the people in the overcrowded hospitals on ventilators who can't even have their families visit them. Some will die. You are one of the lucky few.

 

[riverman]

Got my second shot last night....just a sore arm and tired but no fever, chills, etc.....now I have a vaccination passport and can apply for another passport and travel if I like. Going to get my fishing license tomorrow and to celebrate 16 months in a bubble here, I'm going to buy a new Gretsch guitar with a bigsby tomorrow as well in Cadillac Green with natural wood sides and back....Duck fans will love this guitar...go Blazers...good news out yesterday is that the covid two shot vaccine is showing great results attacking cancer cells and HIV infections....it may have a better long term effect than just covid....get vaccinated and the sooner folks do the sooner we can achieve herd immunity.....takes 85% to achieve....27% so far are refusing....for those who got covid early.....you didn't get the mutation type which is far more dangerous than the first version...wake up and show social responsibility if not for yourself...for the others around you.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Pretty soon they will be hitting a wall with these vaccinations shortly after everyone is eligible. That will just cause more drama.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That’s simply not true. Herd immunity to a disease happens when there are enough people who have obtained immunity, either by having the disease or by getting vaccinated, that it can’t spread readily because there aren’t enough potential hosts to keep the spread going. Immunity doesn’t have to be perfect for that to happen. A recent study has shown that the real world efficacy of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines is about 90 percent. That’s far in excess of what would be needed to stop community spread if most people were vaccinated. Beyond the 90 percent overall efficacy, the vaccines have been shown to be virtually 100 percent effective at preventing serious illness. People who don’t get vaccinated are not only putting themselves and their loved ones at greater risk, they are lengthening the duration of the pandemic and all of the death and economic impacts that go along with it.

I think you missed the caveat--that is if vaccination doesn't prevent spread. I understand that vaccination prevents spread of other virii (measles, smallpox, polio, etc...). The concern I was addressing was the notion that those who are COVID-vaccinated are still just as capable of spreading the virus as those who aren't. If that's the case (and I don't know that it is or isn't), then large-scale vaccination doesn't really protect those who aren't able to be vaccinated.

 

[Lanny]

Got my second shot last night....just a sore arm and tired but no fever, chills, etc.....now I have a vaccination passport and can apply for another passport and travel if I like. Going to get my fishing license tomorrow and to celebrate 16 months in a bubble here, I'm going to buy a new Gretsch guitar with a bigsby tomorrow as well in Cadillac Green with natural wood sides and back....Duck fans will love this guitar...go Blazers...good news out yesterday is that the covid two shot vaccine is showing great results attacking cancer cells and HIV infections....it may have a better long term effect than just covid....get vaccinated and the sooner folks do the sooner we can achieve herd immunity.....takes 85% to achieve....27% so far are refusing....for those who got covid early.....you didn't get the mutation type which is far more dangerous than the first version...wake up and show social responsibility if not for yourself...for the others around you.

I've got a permanent free fishing license in the state of Oregon but can't physically fish unless in a chair. Maybe some deep sea fishing for Chinook, king, salmon.

 

[andalusian]

I think you missed the caveat--that is if vaccination doesn't prevent spread. I understand that vaccination prevents spread of other virii (measles, smallpox, polio, etc...). The concern I was addressing was the notion that those who are COVID-vaccinated are still just as capable of spreading the virus as those who aren't. If that's the case (and I don't know that it is or isn't), then large-scale vaccination doesn't really protect those who aren't able to be vaccinated.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-562...ccine appears to,can stop the virus spreading.

 

[riverman]

I've got a permanent free fishing license in the state of Oregon but can't physically fish unless in a chair. Maybe some deep sea fishing for Chinook, king, salmon.

Lanny you need a sit to stand frame for moving between small doors....your wife doesn't need to lift you at all....I did transfers for quadriplegics for years after retiring from the school district....there's no need to lift anyone if you have the tool....also you can operate an electric chair without assistance unless you want to transfer.....get your wife a sit to stand frame and make her life easy....hope you are doing ok

 

[PtldPlatypus]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56211755#:~:text=The Pfizer vaccine appears to,can stop the virus spreading.

A 70-85% reduction in spreading risk would certainly be significant. Thank you. Hopefully more and larger studies will confirm.

 

[andalusian]

A 70-85% reduction in spreading risk would certainly be significant. Thank you. Hopefully more and larger studies will confirm.

Logically to me (and I am no biology major), the vaccine would allow the body to fight the virus and thus at the very least - you would have it in your body, if infected, for a shorter amount of time - so naturally, would reduce spreading opportunities.

I am not sure if that is the main or only reason for the reduction in spreading risk.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Me and my wife got our first shot done (Pfizer) this morning. Went really quickly.

 

[Hoopguru]

Got my second shot last night....just a sore arm and tired but no fever, chills, etc.....now I have a vaccination passport and can apply for another passport and travel if I like. Going to get my fishing license tomorrow and to celebrate 16 months in a bubble here, I'm going to buy a new Gretsch guitar with a bigsby tomorrow as well in Cadillac Green with natural wood sides and back....Duck fans will love this guitar...go Blazers...good news out yesterday is that the covid two shot vaccine is showing great results attacking cancer cells and HIV infections....it may have a better long term effect than just covid....get vaccinated and the sooner folks do the sooner we can achieve herd immunity.....takes 85% to achieve....27% so far are refusing....for those who got covid early.....you didn't get the mutation type which is far more dangerous than the first version...wake up and show social responsibility if not for yourself...for the others around you.

Nice! a new Gretsch in Cadillac green!

 

[e_blazer]

I think you missed the caveat--that is if vaccination doesn't prevent spread. I understand that vaccination prevents spread of other virii (measles, smallpox, polio, etc...). The concern I was addressing was the notion that those who are COVID-vaccinated are still just as capable of spreading the virus as those who aren't. If that's the case (and I don't know that it is or isn't), then large-scale vaccination doesn't really protect those who aren't able to be vaccinated.

The recently released CDC study shows that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 90% effective at stopping both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection:

"Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released initial results from a studyTrusted Source on the real-world effectiveness of the two mRNA vaccines approved in the United States, those developed by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna-NIAID.

Researchers collected weekly nasal swabs from all participants to see if they had any viral genetic material, regardless of whether they had COVID-19 symptoms.

They also collected an additional nasal swab and saliva sample if people developed symptoms.

The vaccines were 90 percent effective at blocking infections — symptomatic and asymptomatic — in people who had two doses of the vaccine, and 80 percent effective in people who had one dose.

That means there was a 90 percent decrease in infections in people who were fully vaccinated compared with a similar unvaccinated group of people."

The concern previous to this study was that the vaccine might simply be reducing the amount of viral load so that people were asymptomatic, but still capable of spreading the virus. This study shows that's not the case. You can't spread an illness that you don't have and that's the basis of herd immunity.

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...t-we-know#Some-vaccines-block-most-infections

 

[ripcity67]

Tell that to the families of the nearly 600,000 deceased and the people in the overcrowded hospitals on ventilators who can't even have their families visit them. Some will die. You are one of the lucky few.

where are these overcrowded hospitals now? and he is not one of the lucky few, he is one of the 99.5 percent that survive after getting covid.

 

[Minstrel]

where are these overcrowded hospitals now?

Less crowded. And in a year they'll be even less crowded. That says nothing about how they were before the vaccine started to get rolled out.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

thesun.co.uk

Brazil Covid plague ‘spawning super-mutations every week that could destroy world’s fight against pan...
Jon Lockett

BRAZIL'S brutal Covid-19 plague has been branded a "biological Fukushima" by worried scientists after daily deaths surged past the 4,000 mark.

Hospitals are now at breaking point with people dropping dead as they await treatment amid the rise of super-mutant strains which "threaten" the global fight against the virus.





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A victim of the Covid-19 pandemic is buried in a cemetery in Rio de JaneiroCredit: EPA
Dr Miguel Nicolelis, a former regional co-ordinator of the country's pandemic response team, described Brazil's response to the crisis as a "complete calamity".

"It's the largest human tragedy in Brazilian history," he told the BBC. "We may get to 500,000 deaths by July 1, that's the latest estimate.

"But the University of Washington released another estimate suggesting if the rate of transmission goes up by about 10 per cent, we could get to 600,000 deaths.

“It’s a nuclear reactor that has set off a chain reaction and is out of control. It’s a biological Fukushima."

His comment was a reference to the shocking explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Japan sparked by a tsunami in 2011.

He also warned of the increased threat of worrying new strains of the virus as the death toll hit 337,000 - now second only to the US on 555,000.

Dr Nicolelis said: "Brazil is now not only epicentre of the pandemic worldwide it's a threat to entire effort of international community to control the pandemic on the planet.

"We are brewing new variants every week and some of them may more lethal.. eventually make it to the entire world."



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The daily death toll in the South American nation has now surged past 4,000Credit: EPA


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Commuters cram onto a rail station platform in Sao PauloCredit: Reuters
Reports say 92 variants have now been detected in the country, including the P.1, or Brazil variant, which has become a big cause for concern as it is thought to be much more contagious.

On Tuesday, the Health Ministry reported another 4,195 COVID-19 deaths in the previous 24 hours, well above the country’s prior single-day record.

Brazil has set daily death records every week since late February, as a more contagious local variant and meager social distancing efforts fuel an uncontrolled outbreak.

With mass vaccinations curtailing the U.S. outbreak, it has quickly become the epicenter of the pandemic, contributing about one in four deaths per day globally, according to new Reuters analysis.

Hospitals are reported to be at breaking point - with witnesses likening them to scenes from a medieval plague outbreak as oxygen supplies run low.

In most states, patients with Covid-19 are occupying more than 90 per cent of intensive care unit beds.

Epidemiologist Ethel Maciel said the country was in a "dreadful situation".

He told the AFP news agency: "At the rate we're vaccinating... the only way to slow the extremely fast spread of the virus is an effective lockdown for at least 20 days."

However, despite the increased threat of the virus, President Jair Bolsonaro has refused to impose restrictions.



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He has pushed back against mask-wearing and lockdowns that public health experts consider the best way to combat transmission.

And last month he told crowds in Rio de Janeiro to "stop whining" about the virus.

Speaking to reporters, Mr Bolsonaro said: "Enough fussing and whining. How much longer will the crying go on?"

On Tuesday, he criticised quarantine measures and even suggested - without any evidence - that they were linked to obesity and depression.

But despite the ominous COVID data, government figures have insisted Brazil will soon be "back to normal".

Yesterday, economy minister Paulo Guedes said: "We think that probably two, three months from now Brazil could be back to business."




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Under-30s should be given alternative to AZ jab over clot fears, says regulator


Last week, we reported how an overflowing cemetery in Brazil was digging up 1,000 skeletons to make room for more Covid victims.

In ghoulish pics, gravediggers have been snapped deep within the graves of Sao Paulo's Vila New Cachoeirinha cemetery.

Donned in protective white hazmat suits, they've been busy tearing open the tombs of people buried years ago, and bagging decomposed remains for removal to another location.

Overflowing Brazil cemetery digs up 1,000 skeletons to make room for more Covid victims as deaths spiral out of control

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14567615/brazil-covid-plague-biological-fukushima-mutant-strains/

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Jon]

Tell that to the families of the nearly 600,000 deceased and the people in the overcrowded hospitals on ventilators who can't even have their families visit them. Some will die. You are one of the lucky few.

while i feel sorry for the losses of the families, how many of the people who died actually ONLY died from Covid? hardly any.

hell, there are a few people that state that if you get shot and killed, but you were positive from covid, they count it as a covid death. i could go and get killed by a car accident, but if i tested positive for covid, it counts as a covid death.

just like any other illness, it is magnified if you have any underlying health issues. have you heard of any flu deaths at all in the past year? seems as though the flu has been eradicated. but hey, count it as a covid death.

 

[Jon]

Their friend is dumb.

that isnt answering the question, though....

 

[Jon]

the reason you didn't hear about many flu deaths is that people have locked down, not gathered in public and worn masks and washed hands for a year and a half..businesses have shut the doors......that keeps the flu away.

but it didnt keep the covid away? makes so much sense....

texas is completely opened up and have a 73% drop in daily cases since they did. Michigan is on a tyrannical lockdown and they are spiking the worst in the country. the governor of michigan is blaming Desantis and the state of Florida because they arent locked down and it was spring break. i wish i was making that up.

also, businesses didnt shut the doors. tyrannical government mandates did. they killed way too many businesses because they had the notion that if you get covid, it's an automatic death sentence, which it is not.

 

[riverman]

but it didnt keep the covid away? makes so much sense....

It did in 3 countries that locked down immediately and followed public safety rules....Taiwan capped it after 7 deaths and is much closer to China than we are...New Zealand and Taiwan have remained open within their borders for over a year becuase of people adapting to safety measures....we're a year and a half in and still seeing mutations and cases...Brazil is losing 4000 people a day....why do you think that is? Because they went to the disco? 4000 customers dying per day isn't a great model for business success either....unless you are a mortician

 

[e_blazer]

but it didnt keep the covid away? makes so much sense....

texas is completely opened up and have a 73% drop in daily cases since they did. Michigan is on a tyrannical lockdown and they are spiking the worst in the country. the governor of michigan is blaming Desantis and the state of Florida because they arent locked down and it was spring break. i wish i was making that up.

also, businesses didnt shut the doors. tyrannical government mandates did. they killed way too many businesses because they had the notion that if you get covid, it's an automatic death sentence, which it is not.

Obviously the masking, hand-washing and social distancing reduce the spread of all air-borne viruses. The reason flu is down more than Covid is primarily because of Covid-related closures of schools. Unlike Covid-19, children are by far the biggest source of influenza being brought into a household. Another major factor is the restriction of air travel that has reduced flu from being spread between countries.

Michigan is doing so poorly primarily because the B.1.1.7 variant is the dominant strain there now. It spreads much more easily than the original strain. It's starting to trend upwards in Texas too, so we'll see if their downward trend continues. They do have the advantage of warmer weather now, so there's a lot more outdoor social gatherings there and in Florida than in Michigan.

 

[Jon]

You are ignoring the facts....it's a global pandemic, not a US govt conspiracy...if you think Texas and Florida are poster states for safety protocols I hope you spend all of your time there....if you think shutting doors killed businesses...that's nothing like wrongful death lawsuits shutting businesses and suing them for putting the public at risk....you got covid ....I didn't. My granddaughters got it by working in restaurants that chose to stay open....those restaurants are closed now but not because the laws made them...because covid infections made them....glad you survived and now hope you don't have long term reactions to getting it in the first place. As I said....if you refuse to get a simple shot to protect others....that's pretty irresponsible in my view. We should have capped this pandemic a year ago by masking and social distancing....countries that did didn't have the spread....we've lost hundreds of thousands of lives unnecessarily and largely due to irresponsible citizens in denial.

If you can still get covid after getting the shot, how is that protecting others?

I'm not ignoring facts at all. If anything, I'm stating facts. It isn't my fault that you are ignoring them and trying to state your own.

 

[e_blazer]

If you can still get covid after getting the shot, how is that protecting others?

I'm not ignoring facts at all. If anything, I'm stating facts. It isn't my fault that you are ignoring them and trying to state your own.

Because 90% of vaccinated people can't get Covid two weeks after finishing their vaccinations. The ones who do get it, get lighter cases that aren't as contagious because the viral load is less.

There's also the fact that vaccinations have been shown to hold up against all of the variants that have been identified so far. That's likely not the case with the immunity gained from having Covid.

 

[Jon]

Also, why are you automatically assuming that I think its a US government conspiracy? I never once said that.

 

[Jon]

Because 90% of vaccinated people can't get Covid two weeks after finishing their vaccinations. The ones who do get it, get lighter cases that aren't as contagious because the viral load is less.

There's also the fact that vaccinations have been shown to hold up against all of the variants that have been identified so far. That's likely not the case with the immunity gained from having Covid.

That still doesn't protect you or anyone from contracting covid. Just because you get the shot, doesn't mean it is killed. You can still get it and you can still spread it.

 

[calvin natt]

ill never get that shot. nobody on earth can make me get that shot. cant even remember the last time I got a flu shot.

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