OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (2 Viewers)

[e_blazer]

That still doesn't protect you or anyone from contracting covid. Just because you get the shot, doesn't mean it is killed. You can still get it and you can still spread it.

That is simply not true, as the study I quoted above demonstrated. Your mind appears to be made up so I guess there’s really no point in discussing it further.

 

[calvin natt]

1. it hasn't been proven yet. it is still unknown as well as the side effects. vaccines take at least 5 years to be perfected and they want you to believe that this one was perfected within 9 months? pfft.
2. you can still get covid and contract it to other people. just ask my son's speech therapist.
3. you still have to abide by tyrannical mandates.
4. I'm pretty sure I had it last year in February and I was only down for 2 days.

i have more, but ill probably get flack for these ones as it is.

1) it’s proven to be an effective vaccine, reducing extreme illness and deaths significantly
2) if you can still get it but not get sick and die I think that’s positive but maybe I’m wrong
3) tyrannical mandates? Guess we know who flies a flag out the back of their big boy truck
4) “I’m pretty sure I already had it” is literally the butt of jokes now. Made me laugh.

 

[Jon]

That is simply not true, as the study I quoted above demonstrated. Your mind appears to be made up so I guess there’s really no point in discussing it further.

really, so if what i am saying isn't true, then would you want the number to my son's speech therapist? she got both shots cause she works in a hospital. she has covid right now.

 

[Jon]

1) it’s proven to be an effective vaccine, reducing extreme illness and deaths significantly
2) if you can still get it but not get sick and die I think that’s positive but maybe I’m wrong
3) tyrannical mandates? Guess we know who flies a flag out the back of their big boy truck
4) “I’m pretty sure I already had it” is literally the butt of jokes now. Made me laugh.

1. cool. good for the people who have weak immune systems. i dont.
2. people think that if you get the shot, you wont get it anymore and you will be fine. which is not true at all.
3. pretty rude of you to assume i do that. i dont own a truck, nor do i fly a flag (i know you mean a Trump flag. no need to sugarcoat it) off of any one of my vehicles. i have nice cars, i dont want some butthurt woke SJW to ruin it cause "OrAnGe MaN bAd".
4. makes you laugh for people to be sick, huh? cool.

you're so edgy.

EDIT: i take that back. i own a 91 ford ranger that i use to go to the dump.

 

[calvin natt]

1. cool. good for the people who have weak immune systems. i dont.
2. people think that if you get the shot, you wont get it anymore and you will be fine. which is not true at all.
3. pretty rude of you to assume i do that. i dont own a truck, nor do i fly a flag (i know you mean a Trump flag. no need to sugarcoat it) off of any one of my vehicles. i have nice cars, i dont want some butthurt woke SJW to ruin it cause "OrAnGe MaN bAd".
4. makes you laugh for people to be sick, huh? cool.

you're so edgy.

EDIT: i take that back. i own a 91 ford ranger that i use to go to the dump.

someone sounds butthurt and edgy and trumpy. I don’t laugh at sick people just all the tough guys who are sure they already had it and me strong man with strong immune system I’m a beast. Haha

 

[calvin natt]

really, so if what i am saying isn't true, then would you want the number to my son's speech therapist? she got both shots cause she works in a hospital. she has covid right now.

I know someone who died in a car accident and was wearing a seat belt. Now that you bring up your sons speech therapist makes me think...fuck seatbelts.

 

[Jon]

someone sounds butthurt and edgy and trumpy. I don’t laugh at sick people just all the tough guys who are sure they already had it and me strong man with strong immune system I’m a beast. Haha

you literally used the same insults i gave you already. you seem like the type of person to like their own facebook posts.

i see Trump still owns real estate in your head. must be terrible to just dwell on him still.

 

[Jon]

 

[calvin natt]

you literally used the same insults i gave you already. you seem like the type of person to like their own facebook posts.

i see Trump still owns real estate in your head. must be terrible to just dwell on him still.

Yeah no shit. They were stupid so I used them again thinking you’d see it. Guess not.

 

[e_blazer]

really, so if what i am saying isn't true, then would you want the number to my son's speech therapist? she got both shots cause she works in a hospital. she has covid right now.

90 percent is not 100 percent so it’s expected that some people who are vaccinated will get Covid. People have differing immune systems. Immunity isn’t an on-off switch, it’s a range. For the vast majority of people, completing the vaccination and waiting period makes them immune to getting either a symptomatic or asymptomatic infection. The lady you know may have been one of the 10%, she may have been exposed before she achieved full immunity, or other unknown factors. I hope the vaccine made her illness less than it would have been otherwise. All of that said, the important thing is in the overall affect of masses of people being immunized and lessening community spread spread so that everyone has less chance of getting sick from Covid.

 

[RR7]

90 percent is not 100 percent.

Whoa whoa, hold up a sec...
Ok, that math checks out. Carry on

 

[Jon]

90 percent is not 100 percent so it’s expected that some people who are vaccinated will get Covid. People have differing immune systems. Immunity isn’t an on-off switch, it’s a range. For the vast majority of people, completing the vaccination and waiting period makes them immune to getting either a symptomatic or asymptomatic infection. The lady you know may have been one of the 10%, she may have been exposed before she achieved full immunity, or other unknown factors. I hope the vaccine made her illness less than it would have been otherwise. All of that said, the important thing is in the overall affect of masses of people being immunized and lessening community spread spread so that everyone has less chance of getting sick from Covid.

i'd like to see your source for those numbers. i also find it funny that you think people cant get a virus and spread it after they get their shot.

 

[ABM]

i'd like to see your source for those numbers. i also find it funny that you think people cant get a virus and spread it after they get their shot.

Are you THE Jon?!! Just, whoah.

 

[Minstrel]

that isnt answering the question, though....

I'm sad this has to be pointed out to him or her, but pregnancy and disease aren't very similar. There's no such thing as mildly pregnant or asymptomatic pregnancy, you're either pregnant or you aren't. Taking a disease from potentially deadly to potentially no symptoms even if you catch it is a big deal. And the masks are until most people are vaccinated, at which point masks won't be needed. The masks aren't to protect the vaccinated person, it's to protect the people who still aren't vaccinated.

The person who tweeted that is painfully, painfully ignorant and potentially stupid (though I'd need to see more of their work to make that determination).

 

[e_blazer]

i'd like to see your source for those numbers. i also find it funny that you think people cant get a virus and spread it after they get their shot.

I gave this information above in a response to @PtldPlatypus post. Here's the Healthline.com information that is drawn from the most recent CDC study on the subject. There's a link to the CDC study if you want to look at the numbers in more detail:

The recently released CDC study shows that the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are 90% effective at stopping both symptomatic and asymptomatic infection:

"Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released initial results from a studyTrusted Source on the real-world effectiveness of the two mRNA vaccines approved in the United States, those developed by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna-NIAID.

Researchers collected weekly nasal swabs from all participants to see if they had any viral genetic material, regardless of whether they had COVID-19 symptoms.

They also collected an additional nasal swab and saliva sample if people developed symptoms.

The vaccines were 90 percent effective at blocking infections — symptomatic and asymptomatic — in people who had two doses of the vaccine, and 80 percent effective in people who had one dose.

That means there was a 90 percent decrease in infections in people who were fully vaccinated compared with a similar unvaccinated group of people."

The concern previous to this study was that the vaccine might simply be reducing the amount of viral load so that people were asymptomatic, but still capable of spreading the virus. This study shows that's not the case. You can't spread an illness that you don't have and that's the basis of herd immunity.

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...t-we-know#Some-vaccines-block-most-infections

I am simply reporting what the CDC study says. It's new information based on a study trying to address what had been an open question as to whether people who were vaccinated might simply be asymptomatic, but still capable of spreading the disease. The study showed that 90% of vaccinated people are immune to getting either symptomatic or asymptomatic Covid-19. It doesn't say, and I never said, that a small portion of vaccinated people are still capable of getting infected and, potentially, spreading the disease.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm sad this has to be pointed out to him or her, but pregnancy and disease aren't very similar. There's no such thing as mildly pregnant or asymptomatic pregnancy, you're either pregnant or you aren't. Taking a disease from potentially deadly to potentially no symptoms even if you catch it is a big deal. And the masks are until most people are vaccinated, at which point masks won't be needed. The masks aren't to protect the vaccinated person, it's to protect the people who still aren't vaccinated.

The person who tweeted that is painfully, painfully ignorant and potentially stupid (though I'd need to see more of their work to make that determination).

https://twitter.com/rnjenb

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Are you THE Jon?!! Just, whoah.

not the Jon I mentioned in the Door Dash thread...

 

[ABM]

I'm sad this has to be pointed out to him or her, but pregnancy and disease aren't very similar. There's no such thing as mildly pregnant or asymptomatic pregnancy, you're either pregnant or you aren't. Taking a disease from potentially deadly to potentially no symptoms even if you catch it is a big deal. And the masks are until most people are vaccinated, at which point masks won't be needed. The masks aren't to protect the vaccinated person, it's to protect the people who still aren't vaccinated.

The person who tweeted that is painfully, painfully ignorant and potentially stupid (though I'd need to see more of their work to make that determination).

OK, so my wife and I have had it. As noted earlier, we're still abiding by mandated standards, which, in some cases, are minimal.

 

[Minstrel]

OK, so my wife and I have had it. As noted earlier, we're still abiding by mandated standards, which, in some cases, are minimal.

Okay. I'm not sure why this was aimed at me. Did you have a question for me about the two of you having had it?

 

[ABM]

Okay. I'm not sure why this was aimed at me. Did you have a question for me about the two of you having had it?

OK,then, yes. Do you believe, that by following local mandates (i.e. masks being optional in outdoor places), my wife and I may be putting others at risk?

 

[Minstrel]

OK,then, yes. Do you believe, that by following local mandates (i.e. masks being optional in outdoor places), my wife and I may be putting others at risk?

I think that not getting the vaccines, if in fact you two are not, lengthen the amount of time til masks can safely stop being worn and make things at least a bit less safe for those around you. Masks are good, but the vaccines are better.

 

[ABM]

I think that not getting the vaccines, if in fact you two are not, lengthen the amount of time til masks can safely stop being worn and make things at least a bit less safe for those around you. Masks are good, but the vaccines are better.

OK, in light of the fact that my wife and I have already been infected, I disagree, but thanks again for the response.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

OK,then, yes. Do you believe, that by following local mandates (i.e. masks being optional in outdoor places), my wife and I may be putting others at risk?

You should look into getting an antibody test. Then you'll have accurate and complete information to help your decision on mask wearing and/or the vaccine.

You most likely had that originally known version of Covid. Now the UK variant is the most common version in the USA. If you have few antibodies left you could get sicker if you get one of the spreading variants than you did originally.

 

[ABM]

You should look into getting an antibody test. Then you'll have accurate and complete information to help your decision on mask wearing and/or the vaccine.

You most likely had that originally known version of Covid. Now the UK variant is the most common version in the USA. If you have few antibodies left you could get sicker if you get one of the spreading variants than you did originally.

I do understand that. I'll look into it. Thanks.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.or...-656-discarded-state-says.html?outputType=amp

Coronavirus in Oregon: With 2 million vaccine doses administered, just 656 discarded, state says

 

[Minstrel]

OK, in light of the fact that my wife and I have already been infected, I disagree, but thanks again for the response.

Immunity from getting the disease isn't permanent or particularly long-lasting, from what I've read.

 

[ABM]

Immunity from getting the disease isn't permanent or particularly long-lasting, from what I've read.

Go with that, then.

 

[Minstrel]

Go with that, then.

Why even ask the question, if you're not particularly interested in the answer?

 

[HailBlazers]

Only the method that grants big pharma billions can produce immunity.

 

[ABM]

Why even ask the question, if you're not particularly interested in the answer?

Because, sometimes I'm interested in what others may think. Is that OK?