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jonnyboy said:
As to the rest, that’s fine. I too think we’ll learn a whole hell of a lot from the past couple years.
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Some of us will. Some of us will think the results are a fake news plot to steal our freedom and our precious bodily fluids.

barfo
 
Hoopguru said:
Is it true that as more people are vaccinated it impedes the virus from mutating. I heard a doctor state this, and the delta variant is much more aggressive and deadly? More mutations to come.
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Yes, that is true. The reason it is true is that the vaccinated people are less likely to be infected and to infect others. The only way the virus can mutate is to reproduce. It needs a host to reproduce. Reduce the number of hosts and you reduce the number of mutations.

barfo
 
jonnyboy said:
So your stance is that there was enough masking and social distancing to nearly eliminate the flu, but only curb covid because it is more virulent? This seems to be what you and sly are suggesting.

If so, then shouldn’t flu rates have stayed pretty consistent in the states where people weren’t taking masking/distancing measures, when compared to a pre-covid year?

Not trying to conspiracy theorize but these seem like pretty rational questions.
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School and office closures were a big factor in addition to masking and physical distancing. Lack of international travel was a factor as well. Flu is usually going strong in Australia and other places while we’re having very little flu activity during our summer. Travel from those countries contributes to bringing the virus here and getting it started once conditions are right. There was virtually no international travel to and from Australia last year.
 
Hoopguru said:
Is it true that as more people are vaccinated it impedes the virus from mutating. I heard a doctor state this, and the delta variant is much more aggressive and deadly? More mutations to come.
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(Very oversimplified answer)

Yes, the vaccine teaches your immune system how to fight the virus. The longer the virus spreads in your system the greater the chance there is for it to mutate. That's why the chance for the virus to mutate is greatly reduced in those who are vaccinated because their immune system is quicker to successfully fight the virus vs people who don't have the vaccine and it takes their immune system longer to eliminate it.
 
BigGameDamian said:
I thought only the unvaccinated needed to worry though?
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The vaccine, developed with BioNTech SE, provided 88% protection against hospitalization and 91% against severe illness for an unspecified number of people studied between June 20 and July 17, according to a report Thursday from the health ministry.
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e_blazer said:
School and office closures were a big factor in addition to masking and physical distancing. Lack of international travel was a factor as well. Flu is usually going strong in Australia and other places while we’re having very little flu activity during our summer. Travel from those countries contributes to bringing the virus here and getting it started once conditions are right. There was virtually no international travel to and from Australia last year.
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And virtually no flu, since they did a great job masking and distancing.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
(Very oversimplified answer)

Yes, the vaccine teaches your immune system how to fight the virus. The longer the virus spreads in your system the greater the chance there is for it to mutate. That's why the chance for the virus to mutate is greatly reduced in those who are vaccinated because their immune system is quicker to successfully fight the virus vs people who don't have the vaccine and it takes their immune system longer to eliminate it.
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Yet recent data shows natural immunity lasts longer.
 
jonnyboy said:
Neat theory, too bad it didn’t work for covid, a virus that spreads the same way.

“Well that’s because IDIOTS refused to wear masks and social distance!”

But somehow, the flu still disappeared?

This logic isn’t doing it for me.
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The flu isn't as contagious as covid-19... that's been known since the very start of the pandemic. One of the scariest things about covid-19 is how contagious it is.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Source please?
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New Health Ministry statistics indicated that, on average, the Pfizer shot — the vaccine given to nearly all Israelis — is now just 39% effective against infection, while being only 41% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID. Previously, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was well over 90% effective against infection. The Israeli statistics also appeared to paint a picture of protection that gets weaker as months pass after vaccination, due to fading immunity. People vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, effectiveness was at 75%.
 
HailBlazers said:
New Health Ministry statistics indicated that, on average, the Pfizer shot — the vaccine given to nearly all Israelis — is now just 39% effective against infection, while being only 41% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID. Previously, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was well over 90% effective against infection. The Israeli statistics also appeared to paint a picture of protection that gets weaker as months pass after vaccination, due to fading immunity. People vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, effectiveness was at 75%.
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That doesn't say anything about natural immunity lasting longer.

barfo
 
HailBlazers said:
New Health Ministry statistics indicated that, on average, the Pfizer shot — the vaccine given to nearly all Israelis — is now just 39% effective against infection, while being only 41% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID. Previously, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was well over 90% effective against infection. The Israeli statistics also appeared to paint a picture of protection that gets weaker as months pass after vaccination, due to fading immunity. People vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, effectiveness was at 75%.
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A little further googling shows that Israel is going to start administering a 3rd dose of the Pfizer vaccine to at-risk people. This will be very interesting to follow. This is not a variant booster, just a 3rd dose of the same vaccine. Looks like we're going to get some more valuable real-world data.
 
HailBlazers said:
New Health Ministry statistics indicated that, on average, the Pfizer shot
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The article you linked is interesting.

Israeli, UK data offer mixed signals on vaccine’s potency against Delta strain
Local research claims Pfizer shot now only 41% effective against symptomatic COVID, while British stats have it at 88%

New data from Israel and the United Kingdom painted a confusing and contradictory picture on Thursday as to the effectiveness of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine in fighting off the Delta variant of the coronavirus.

New Health Ministry statistics indicated that, on average, the Pfizer shot — the vaccine given to nearly all Israelis — is now just 39% effective against infection, while being only 41% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID. Previously, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was well over 90% effective against infection.

Meanwhile, a new UK study published this week in The New England Journal of Medicine found the same vaccine to be 88% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID — more than twice the rate found in the Israeli data.


Israel’s research agreed, at least, that the shot was highly effective in avoiding serious illness, at 91.4% effectiveness.

Some analysts have warned that the figures on vaccine effectiveness are prone to major inaccuracies because of a range of factors, including questions over whether there is accurate data on infection levels among the non-vaccinated, which is vital for such stats.

The Israeli statistics also appeared to paint a picture of protection that gets weaker as months pass after vaccination, due to fading immunity. People vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, effectiveness was at 75%.

Doctors note that such figures may not only reflect time that has passed since vaccination, but also a bias according to which those who vaccinated early were often people with health conditions and who are more prone to infection, such as the elderly.

Reacting to the Israeli figures on Thursday, epidemiologist Nadav Davidovitch, a Ben-Gurion University professor and leader of Israel’s doctors’ union, told The Times of Israel, “What we see is that the vaccine is less effective in preventing transmission, but it’s easy to overlook that it’s still very effective in preventing hospitalization and severe cases.”

Davidovitch added: “It’s still excellent, very good in preventing severe cases and death, but less so in preventing transmission. And this is why we can’t rely on vaccinations alone, but also need Green Passes, testing, masks, and the like.”

Davidovitch stressed that all figures should be treated as preliminary and with limited relevance given the relatively small numbers of positive patients at the moment. “It’s quite early to comment, as the number of positive people is still quite low,” he said.

He spoke after ministers approved reinstating the Green Pass, limiting attendance at large events to those who are vaccinated, have recovered from COVID-19, or who present a valid negative test result.

The renewed restrictions will apply to both indoor and outdoor events with over 100 participants, starting on July 29. The requirement to present proof of vaccination, recovery or a negative test from the past 72 hours will only apply to people older than 12. Under that age, there will be no restrictions.

The decision was approved by the so-called coronavirus cabinet, a high-level ministerial forum tasked with leading the government’s pandemic response. It must still be ratified by the government, and is set to be voted on Sunday during the weekly cabinet meeting.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...als-on-vaccines-potency-against-delta-strain/
 
Alabama governor scolded non vaccinated people in her state. When asked about her leadership she said she had done all she could. She signed into law a bill prohibiting both public and private businesses from requiring vaccines.

The internet is a wonderful thing. A person no longer needs a medical degree, or any study of virology, or experience in public health. All they need is to see a video on the internet and they know more about a virus, its evolution, virulence, prevention, treatment than those who spent decades in the field of epidemiology.
 
It is truly unbelievable the same conversations are still taking place a year and a half later. Anyone who wanted the vaccine has probably already gotten it. This is it. Who the hell is out there like yeah, I want the vaccine but haven’t gotten around to it. The anti science crowd isn’t going to see the light all of a sudden. Ain’t happening. The new variants will come, kill people, mutate again, and kill more. People who didn’t have to die but were afraid of a shot. The unknown shot scared them more than the known virus that kills millions. A bunch of smarty pants.
 
calvin natt said:
It is truly unbelievable the same conversations are still taking place a year and a half later. Anyone who wanted the vaccine has probably already gotten it. This is it. Who the hell is out there like yeah, I want the vaccine but haven’t gotten around to it. The anti science crowd isn’t going to see the light all of a sudden. Ain’t happening. The new variants will come, kill people, mutate again, and kill more. People who didn’t have to die but were afraid of a shot. The unknown shot scared them more than the known virus that kills millions. A bunch of smarty pants.
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Minds have changed.

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Anti-mask protester punches breast cancer patient in her surgery scar and rips off her face covering after demonstrators gathered outside LA clinic which is enforcing the county's mandate
  • The incident unfolded as dozens of anti-maskers gathered outside the Cedars-Sinai Breast Health Services building in West Hollywood Thursday afternoon
  • The group was protesting against the clinic's mask mandate, with several holding anti-vaccine signs and reportedly harassing patients and doctors
  • Footage posted online shows cancer patient Kate Burns confronting the group of protesters telling them 'you are protesting a breast cancer f**king center'
  • Separate footage then shows Burns being shoved and hit by a woman
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Anti-mask protester punches breast cancer patient in her surgery scar and rips off her face covering after demonstrators gathered outside LA clinic which is enforcing the county's mandate
  • The incident unfolded as dozens of anti-maskers gathered outside the Cedars-Sinai Breast Health Services building in West Hollywood Thursday afternoon
  • The group was protesting against the clinic's mask mandate, with several holding anti-vaccine signs and reportedly harassing patients and doctors
  • Footage posted online shows cancer patient Kate Burns confronting the group of protesters telling them 'you are protesting a breast cancer f**king center'
  • Separate footage then shows Burns being shoved and hit by a woman
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Reminds me of the thugs who picket women's clinics, verbally and physically abuse patients and volunteers and call it pro life.
 
THE HCP said:
Been in the largest city in the world now for 5 days……. I have yet to see ONE SINGLE PERSON not wearing a mask. It’s amazing.

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I wish that in the states they would reinforce the mask mandate rule. They should but will probably do it too late when they do it. This country is not good when it comes to managing a pandemic.
 
Actually Tokyo is the largest city. Just looked it up on Wikipedia. I’m not sure I understand why though. I was wrong though.
 
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