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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Everything I posted is true. Its good to question everything so everyone can make an informed decision.
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Yes, that's what the flat earthers say too.

Masks and vaccines don't work and earth is the only flat planet anybody has ever seen.

Telescopes are all magical devices distributed by central planners to make you THINK other planets are round.

IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!
 
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Let's not make this too personal. It's not like it's a matter of life or death, after all.

barfo
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes, that's what the flat earthers say too.
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OK then, point by point, show me what's false.

  1. Mask mandates are back.
  2. Vaccine passports are here
  3. The vaccines are still on emergency use authorization
  4. Covid can still infect the vaccinated
  5. The vaccinated who are infected with covid can still spread the infection
  6. The CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections
  7. The CDC extended the eviction moratorium
  8. Covid is unpredictable

Go. And "Context matters" isn't an answer.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
OK then, point by point, show me what's false.

  1. Mask mandates are back.
  2. Vaccine passports are here
  3. The vaccines are still on emergency use authorization
  4. Covid can still infect the vaccinated
  5. The vaccinated who are infected with covid can still spread the infection
  6. The CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections
  7. The CDC extended the eviction moratorium
  8. Covid is unpredictable

Go. And "Context matters" isn't an answer.
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Point by point is pointless. Your whole point is bullshit.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Translation: "I can't".
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It's already been done over hundreds of pages and you can't follow it. It's been explained to you a hundred different ways.

It seems you are so incredibly out of your depth that you can't comprehend it. But it's becoming clear that you're just not being intellectually honest.
 
Phatguysrule said:
It's already been done over hundreds of pages and you can't follow it. It's been explained to you a hundred different ways.

It seems you are so incredibly out of your depth that you can't comprehend it. But it's becoming clear that you're just not being intellectually honest.
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1. You call me out for "bullshit".
2. I ask to show me simply what's bullshit. I repost several points that I say are truthful and ask you to show me what's false.
3. You can't
4. You reply with more obscure mumbo jumbo.

Who's not being intellectually honest here? And you want anti-vaxxers to trust your advice?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
1. You call me out for "bullshit".
2. I ask to show me simply what's bullshit. I repost several points that I say are truthful and ask you to show me what's false.
3. You can't
4. You reply with more obscure mumbo jumbo.

Who's not being intellectually honest here? And you want anti-vaxxers to trust your advice?
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You've been posting obscure mumbo jumbo for months...

No. I want antivaxers to do what their doctor suggests. That's the whole point. The bullshit you're posting can't give you the answers. It's not a complete picture, and even if it were, you do not have the education or experience to decipher it.

So your spin makes it bullshit. And it should be called out as such.
 
Studies show that blacks and latinos are the least likely to get the vaccine. Vaccine passports are simply a way for society to make them forced to be on the outside looking in.

 
Phatguysrule said:
You've been posting obscure mumbo jumbo for months...

No. I want antivaxers to do what their doctor suggests. That's the whole point. The bullshit you're posting can't give you the answers. It's not a complete picture, and even if it were, you do not have the education or experience to decipher it.

So your spin makes it bullshit. And it should be called out as such.
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Do you support forced vaccinations?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Studies show that blacks and latinos are the least likely to get the vaccine. Vaccine passports are simply a way for society to make them forced to be on the outside looking in.

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Vaccine passports are free and available in every town in the country.

All they have to do is take advantage of it and they'll be as included as everyone else.

Very simple. Just more bullshit trying to stir shit up.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Vaccine passports are free and available in every town in the country.

All they have to do is take advantage of it and they'll be as included as everyone else.

Very simple. Just more bullshit trying to stir shit up.
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They must be idiots? right?
 
Phatguysrule said:
We've already discussed this. I support losing insurance coverage for diseases which you refuse to vaccinate for. I support individuals and businesses having the right to exclude those who are not vaccinated.
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So that's a "no" on vaccine mandates.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
So that's a "no" on vaccine mandates.
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No. I'm undecided on mandates. I'd have to see the exact proposal.

And, if we had government healthcare I guess that would actually be considered a government mandate. It would basically be a fee handed out by the government for not vaccinating. Already would be, Since half of our healthcare is paid for by the government anyway.

So it's more complicated than you're making it seem. As is most of this.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No. I'm undecided on mandates. I'd have to see the exact proposal.

And, if we had government healthcare I guess that would actually be considered a government mandate. It would basically be a fee handed out by the government for not vaccinated.

So it's more complicated than you're making it seem. As is most of this.
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One's opinion isn't complicated. I'm undecided is an acceptable answer.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
One's opinion isn't complicated.
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Except what I described could be considered a vaccine mandate, but you took my original description to mean no, I'm not for them.

Easy to get shit twisted around when you can't see the full picture...
 
theprunetang said:
Ron DeathSentence is a slimy slice of dog excrement. Him sliding out of a dog is the only thing he has in common with SlyPokerDog.
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Next time, don't sugar coat it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Everything you posted was all part of one line of bullshit. Context matters.

What you have posted in this thread has been closer to trolling than anything else.
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I have to disagree with you here. Trolling means lying and EL PRESIDENTE believes what he is telling us is true. I've got to give him that much.
 
Lanny said:
I have to disagree with you here. Trolling means lying and EL PRESIDENTE believes what he is telling us is true. I've got to give him that much.
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I'm honestly not sure I believe that. However, if he does believe it, he's trying very hard not to understand the evidence and explanations he's been given.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Vaccine passports are free and available in every town in the country.

All they have to do is take advantage of it and they'll be as included as everyone else.

Very simple. Just more bullshit trying to stir shit up.
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You don’t know the price of a vaccine for someone who’s been adversely affected by it. No matter how small, there is a risk there and it’s anyone’s choice to opt out. Period. You can kick and scream all you want, you don’t get to tell people what to put in their body. And when the government decides they think they have that authority, shit is going to get really bad.

All of this for a pandemic that is literally over. Numbers are way down and will never return to pandemic defining levels. Yet all the media has to do is say ‘variant’ and here you are wanting to usher in complete totalitarianism to get your point across. It’s fucked. Mind your own business. It doesn’t help that you sit on here name calling in response to people’s legitimate concerns or literal facts they present. It’s not really changing anyone’s mind.
 
Tyrant of Ants said:
I've already given my answer to this question. But how would you feel if the pandemic becomes a lot more dire than it is now? Let's say that there's a variant with much higher transmission and mortality rates, and that the vaccines are proven to be safe and very effective against it. There would still be a segment of the population that can't get the vaccines due to age and pre-existing medical conditions. Would you still be against forced vaccination?
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Yes. I would absolutely be against forced vaccinations.

Live and let die.
 
jonnyboy said:
You don’t know the price of a vaccine for someone who’s been adversely affected by it. No matter how small, there is a risk there and it’s anyone’s choice to opt out. Period. You can kick and scream all you want, you don’t get to tell people what to put in their body. And when the government decides they think they have that authority, shit is going to get really bad.

All of this for a pandemic that is literally over. Numbers are way down and will never return to pandemic defining levels. Yet all the media has to do is say ‘variant’ and here you are wanting to usher in complete totalitarianism to get your point across. It’s fucked. Mind your own business.
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More bullshit. Numbers are way up. Higher than any point since January.

How is letting people choose to avoid other people who choose too be carriers totalitarian? How is allowing financial protection against those who choose be at high risk totalitarian? That's just freedom.

It's over right? So what's the problem?

Once those who choose to be carriers leave I'll be able to mind my own business.
 
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