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It's interesting to look at Israel. Their cases are going up - but the main reason is that they were early with vaccines and thus more people have had for a while - which is why they started the booster shots for people over 60. In addition, the school year has started there - and kids, orthodox jews and Israeli arabs (the populations with no or low vaccinations) seem to be the vectors that starts the issue. Israel's average class size is about 40% larger than the US (their population density is pretty high) - so it is not a surprise to see the cases going up.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...t-prove-covid-vaccines-are-working-1.10101640
 
jonnyboy said:
Do you really not get what I’m saying or are you trying to skate around it to avoid answering?

I’m not denying they can test for variants. Read that sentence again.

How many of the current positive tests that contribute to current positive covid cases have been tested specifically for the delta variant??? Give me a number, and don’t say “a good chunk”.
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My assumption is that they use public health statistics and take population samples that represent larger population groups. It's a pretty standard way of measuring large groups. Think Nielson ratings, but it's basically statistics 101 and public health 101.

I do find it incredibly odd that you embrace every conspiracy theory without so much as a google search but you are so suspicious of all the people who have dedicated their lives to studying and practicing these things.
 
Shaboid said:
More than a million Americans have already cheated to get unauthorized vaccine boosters

https://thehill.com/changing-americ...15-more-than-a-million-americans-have-already

What do we call these people? Extra-vaxxers?
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By the time everyone gets this booster that is going to get it, There will be another boaster shot that will be needed. Either that or they just won’t be able to keep up with the variants. It’s already said that this Lambda variant is more contagious than the Delta. Delta is just more spread right now and that’s why The Delta is the one you hear about more. It’s not going to stop because not enough people that will be vaccinated.
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/ted-cruz-calls-zero-covid-133500026.html

WASHINGTON - As a resurgent coronavirus is forcing states to address soaring cases and hospitalizations, Republican Sens. Ted Cruz (Tex.) and Rand Paul (Ky.) denounced health mandates against the virus at a time when the United States recorded its highest single-day number of new cases since January.

The United States reported nearly 160,000 cases on Monday, pushing the seven-day average to almost 115,000 daily, according to data compiled by The Washington Post. It was the most severe day for new cases in the country since Jan. 29, when coronavirus vaccines were not widely available. Hospitalizations are also up to nearly 70,000 as businesses and schools grapple with mandates for vaccinations and masks during the fourth wave of the pandemic.

But Cruz said to Fox News host Sean Hannity that no health regulations are needed to help curb a nationwide surge fueled by the highly transmissible delta variant and the millions who remain unvaccinated.

"There should be no mandates - zero - concerning covid," Cruz said. "That means no mask mandates, regardless of your vaccination status. That means no vaccine mandates. That means no vaccine passports."

Cruz's call for no covid mandates of any kind came hours after he and Sen. Kevin Cramer, R-N.D., introduced two bills that would ban mask and vaccine mandates. The bills would countermand recent guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which recommends people wear masks indoors regardless of their vaccination status.

With just half the country fully vaccinated, the White House has taken a more aggressive approach in recent weeks in pushing Americans to get inoculated. President Biden has told federal employees they must get vaccinated or they will have to wear masks and maintain social distance at work, and he has directed the military to examine similar steps. As The Post's Annie Linskey reported, the Biden administration is in the early stages of reviewing whether to use federal regulatory power, or the threat of withholding funds, as added ways to get private entities to require vaccines.

Texas, Cruz's home state, is seeing a rise in new infections that is now limiting the availability of hospital beds. A Houston hospital system is preparing huge tents to treat an overflow of patients, while a doctor there said intensive care units in the city resembled a "war zone." The state is averaging more than 13,500 new cases a day, trailing only Florida.

Yet Cruz accused Biden, without evidence, of "imposing unscientific and burdensome mandates."

"Thanks to vaccinations and the natural immunity of Americans who have recovered from covid-19, America is reopening," Cruz said. "America is recovering, our kids are going back to school, and small businesses are returning as our nation's economic heartbeat."

Cruz joined Paul in denouncing mandates amid a resurgence in cases and hospitalizations. The Kentucky senator - who has fashioned himself as the Senate's chief skeptic of Anthony S. Fauci, the country's top infectious-diseases doctor - released a video Sunday that urged people to resist the regulations implemented by health experts and elected officials to help prevent the spread of the deadly delta variant.

"It's time for us to resist. They can't arrest all of us," Paul said. "They can't keep all of your kids home from school. They can't keep every government building closed, although I've got a long list of ones they might keep closed or ought to keep closed."

Coronavirus cases in Kentucky are up by 50% in the last week, data shows. Almost every county in Kentucky has "high community transmission," according to the CDC.

School districts in the state have expanded virtual offerings as classes start again. In Jefferson County Public Schools, which includes Louisville, data shows that nearly 53% of the more than 95,000 students in the district will not be old enough to be vaccinated, according to the Louisville Courier Journal.

Paul, who Fauci has said does not know what he's talking about when it comes to the pandemic, called the CDC's mask guidance "anti-science."

"Will we allow these people to use fear and propaganda to do further harm to our society, economy, and children?" Paul tweeted. "Or will we stand together and say, absolutely not. Not this time. I choose freedom."

These Republicans are going to get our children killed with their stupid antics. Covid isn't partisan. It's not trying to get or stay elected. It kills indiscriminately. The numbers are going back up. Skyrocketing in some of these red states. It needs to be taken seriously.
 
BigGameDamian said:
By the time everyone gets this booster that is going to get it, There will be another boaster shot that will be needed. Either that or they just won’t be able to keep up with the variants. It’s already said that this Lambda variant is more contagious than the Delta. Delta is just more spread right now and that’s why The Delta is the one you hear about more. It’s not going to stop because not enough people that will be vaccinated.
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Lambda has been around for quite a while and hasn't shown the ability to spread much.

Delta is so contagious that by spring most people will have been vaccianted or infected. This will probably be the last wave of covid-19, but it's going to hurt.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Lambda has been around for quite a while and hasn't shown the ability to spread much.

Delta is so contagious that by spring most people will have been vaccianted or infected. This will probably be the last wave of covid-19, but it's going to hurt.
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Or both vaccinated and infected like my girlfriend, myself, and my brother in law.
 
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Cases of community transmission from July 5th to August 9th by week. Nuts how fast it turned on us in just a month.
 
barfo said:
Well, the obvious solution is to acquire more beds. There are leftover cardboard beds from the Olympic village that Tokyo would probably let us have, and the MyPillow guy can provide the pillows.

Let's not pretend this is some sort of a crisis!

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I hear there are still some “beds” and tents remaining from Fyre Fest!
 
If you were to eat someone who has recovered from covid that would be the same as getting vaccinated, right?
 
Mississippi doctors said they are days away from complete failure of hospital system due to Covid overload. Nurses working double and triple shifts are burning out. All made worse by knowledge this was avoidable if people had gotten vaccinated. Republican governor said don't panic and left state for Republican gathering.
Texas is running out of pediatric hospital facilities. Governor has called another special legislative session to ban teaching critical race theory, which they have already done, block trans kids from sports, and further restrict voting. Covid not on agenda.
Florida governor DeathSantis had threatened to block pay of any schools that mandate masks.
Proving fealty to Trump cult requires more than trolling. It is necessary to cause actual harm to people in order to own the libs
 
crandc said:
Mississippi doctors said they are days away from complete failure of hospital system due to Covid overload. Nurses working double and triple shifts are burning out. All made worse by knowledge this was avoidable if people had gotten vaccinated. Republican governor said don't panic and left state for Republican gathering.
Texas is running out of pediatric hospital facilities. Governor has called another special legislative session to ban teaching critical race theory, which they have already done, block trans kids from sports, and further restrict voting. Covid not on agenda.
Florida governor DeathSantis had threatened to block pay of any schools that mandate masks.
Proving fealty to Trump cult requires more than trolling. It is necessary to cause actual harm to people in order to own the libs
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Straight up killing people.
 
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