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andalusian said:
I am sure there are tons of good religious people - but the ones that run the churches, use religion to tell others what to do? Crooks.
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Some, sure. I steer clear of the mega-churches with TV ministries. But I know of, and have been a part of, many churches that stick to the basics of worship and helping folks.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Everything you ever say, @SlyPokerDog , is a lie. Except when you tell me you love me and the Clifford the Big Red Dog is the best dog ever.
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TBpup said:
The thing is, the 'science' keeps changing. At first the 'science' told us it wasn't communicable from animals to humans. Then that distance would be the answer. Then masks. Then if you got the vax, no mask. Then masks again. Now the vax needs a booster....already. No problem with science, but none of this seems very conclusive.



This has always bothered me. The vax is supposed to lessen the symptoms but does not prevent becoming positive. You can just as easily be positive and spread it to others even if you have the vaccine. You might stay out of the hospital, but stats show that the vast majority of people with symptoms have at least one and most have 2 co-morbidities....so overall health is apparently a big factor in how serious symptoms are whether someone is vaxed or not.

I'm not anti-vax, but the whole, "I got it to protect my friends and family" is quite the reach.
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Phatguysrule said:
That's not why he's an idiot. He's making a public statement about something he obviously knows nothing about, or if he has actually researched it, doesn't have the capacity or desire to understand.

No vaccine has ever been 100% effective. This one was 95% effective until the virus mutated, now it appears to be somewhere around 70-85% effective.

That's really good. More than enough to end the pandemic.

Wondering publicly why vaccinated people are catching Covid (when we have alway known that some vaccinated people would catch Covid-19) is idiotic.

And no. I don't care. Him making a public statement about it made me think he's an idiot.
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Thank you for the clarification.
 
TBpup said:
Yes....so just as easily can spread it. Maybe not as often, but it's not like having the vax keeps you from being positive or passing it on. Again, not anti-vax, but there is still a lot that is unknown and the story keeps changing. And for something that has a 99.9% survival rate.
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Put my Vaxx passport over this image. Ready to comply!

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Pfizer CEO: 99 percent chance Delta-specific vaccine won't be necessary (msn.com)

Right now it doesn't seem like a Delta variant-specific COVID-19 vaccine will be necessary because the original shot is holding up well, the Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said Tuesday during an interview with The Atlantic. However, he added that the company will continue to tweak its vaccine to stay ahead of the curve in case things change. "We are in the middle of the process of producing a specific for Delta variant vaccine," he said. "It is 99.9 percent [probable] that we will not need it."
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Pope Francis has instituted vaccine mandate for people working at Vatican. Interestingly, many of the people in this country seeking religious exemption to Covid vaccine are Catholic. How can vaccine be against their faith when the Pope supports it?
 
crandc said:
Pope Francis has instituted vaccine mandate for people working at Vatican. Interestingly, many of the people in this country seeking religious exemption to Covid vaccine are Catholic. How can vaccine be against their faith when the Pope supports it?
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This is a bit dated, but shows that most religious people in this country, including Catholics, are not against vaccination and are at about the same rate of acceptance as non-religious people. The exceptions are white evangelicals and Hispanic Protestants. My sense is that most anti-vaxxers who try for a religious exemption are simply trying to game the system because of their beliefs and fears about the vaccines:

“Religious Affiliation and Vaccine Hesitancy
Among religious groups, patterns of vaccine uptake have remained largely consistent between March and June. Jewish Americans are most likely to be vaccine accepters (85%), but, notably, they have not increased in likelihood since March (85%), even though all other religious groups have seen at least 10-percentage-point increases in acceptance.

Hispanic Catholics have increased most in vaccine acceptance, from 56% in March to 80% in June. Nearly eight in ten white Catholics (79%) are also vaccine accepters, up from 68% in March. Other Protestants of color (69%) increased by a similar amount from 45% in March. Other non-Christians (78%), other Christians (77%), the religiously unaffiliated (75%), and white mainline Protestants (74%) are also above the 70% mark, with increases of 11 to 15 percentage points in each group.[1] Black Protestants (66%) and Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (65%) fall around the two-thirds mark, with similar increases since March. Hispanic Protestants and white evangelical Protestants remain the least likely religious groups to be vaccine accepters (56% for both groups), but both groups nonetheless saw double-digit increases in acceptance since March (43% and 45%, respectively).”

https://www.prri.org/research/religious-vaccines-covid-vaccination/
 
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