And Lenny, we both heard, that vaccined people spread this stuff same way as nonvacinated.
People keep using that argument. The point, the obvious point, is that it lowers the likely-hood of you getting infected in the first place by a factor of five, so therefore the chance you spread it to others is similarly reduced. Not to mention the length of time you're contagious is shorter.
And you probably heard, that I have constitutional right not to be part of medical experiment if I don't want it.
Beyond the idiotic opinion that it's nothing more than a worldwide medical experiment, are you not aware of the many vaccinations you received as a child (with medical exceptions) before you could attend public school in the US, etc? And I think there are around 14 different vaccines for different diseases required for US immigration.
It is not me, who afraid of the virus, it's you, so how the fuck I should stay home, not you?
What if I am afraid of how vaccines will destroy my body. How is your fear better than mine?
Just repeating myself from earlier in the thread - at the moment about 13.3% of the population has had Covid and about .2% of the population has died. That means that if you get Covid in the US, there's about a 1.6% chance you'll die.
That may not seem like a big number until you compare it to how rare it is to get severe adverse reactions from the vaccine itself. .007% get hospitalized and .002% die.
No vaccine is 100% effective. But it's painfully obvious that if you're not afraid about getting hospitalized or dying from COVID itself, then you shouldn't be at all worried about getting hospitalized or dying from the vaccine. That's why other peoples fears are "better" than yours.
You are protected, so I am dangerous for you, bc I am not protected. Got it.
People keep using this "logic". No vaccine is 100% effective so simply having the vaccine doesn't make you immune around people who are infected. It lowers the likely-hood of you getting it but it's easy to understand why some still are wary of being around those who are unvaccinated.
Then there's the argument that if you've had the virus and have natural anti-bodies, at least for a while, then why do I need the vaccine? Because it only serves to boost the effectiveness. CDC has studies that show if you've had COVID and get the vaccine, you're twice as protected as somebody who's had COVID and doesn't get the vaccine.
One doctor I read puts it this way - "Getting COVID is a different immune response than getting the vaccine. So when you get the vaccine, you have only made antibodies to the spike protein, because that's the only part of the virus that you've seen. When you get COVID, you actually make antibodies to every part of the virus, including the nucleocapsid, it's called, as well as the spike protein. So you have polyclonal antibodies, many different types. Now that is good, in a way, but the bad thing about that is that they're not as good as neutralizing the virus. So when we look in the lab, those antibodies don't work as well to neutralize the virus. So that is why that vaccine really helps to boost those neutralizing antibodies."
All in all, for me, you can do whatever you want. You can go vax yourself or not, you can stay home or go out. Really, do what you want.
I mean, it's a free country.
Only a fool thinks the issue of freedom is that black and white, that it means you can just do whatever you want in this country with zero consequences.
I think I'm against a nation-wide vaccination mandate, but I'm for it when it comes to certain groups- teachers, caregivers for the elderly, hospital staff, as a few examples.
That said, if you choose not to I think you're just being unreasonable and selfish and I have no problem with you then having to face restrictions- companies have every right to enforce their own rules when it comes to protecting the health of their employees and customers.
It just seems like a certain demographic are refusing solely because "the man" wants them to, or because they've bought into some bizarre conspiracy theory like it's just a medical experiment, or because of political reasons which is just stupid. There's a vaccine that is safe and readily available to you, it's free, it's recommended by the Center for Disease Control, approved by the FDA, greatly reduces the chance of infection, hospitalization and death. The downside is so rare it's negligible, and the upside can save serious illnesses and even death, not just to you but to those around you.
So just get the fucking shot...
