OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (4 Viewers)

[calvin natt]

Jonnyboy sure loves telling us how we don’t care about peoples lives while defending anti vax fucks who are taking up hospital beds

 

[barfo]

Less than 1% have gotten blood clots from the vaccine. Myocarditis is 1/1000. Here’s the thing. Who are these people who are concerned with these odds of a health issue but not afraid of the health issue that has killed 650,000 and infected millions more? It makes zero sense.

Update - the paper that suggested myocarditis was 1 in 1000 has been withdrawn. They made a statistical boo-boo. The corrected number is 1 in 25,000.

barfo

 

[royo]

She is rejecting healthcare by rejecting the vaccine which would be necessary to keep her alive.

She'll be immunocompromised for the rest of her life. If she won't vaccinate she will die and it will be a wasted kidney which could have saved a sane person.

Seriously, how old are you?

You 3 are just going to ignore my post about the absolute latest data that was released today? I would love to hear your educated opinions and response to this. Please.

It is same way on both sides. Both sides ignore posts, that don't fit them. This is the biggest problem - choosing war, instead of debate. Both sides are so deep in concrete of their opinions, they would rather spit on other man than listen to him. It's not like this is on covid only, it's on basically everything for years now.

And, unfortunately, there is another part. Both sides got enough of fat lies. Antivax first motivation (I think) is the fact, that media are corrupted to the bones and government keep lying to them for fucking long time.
Other side got enough of listening to caveman's talles about reptilians from people that base their brain on YouTube.

So if there is any opinion, that can change something, it is fast covered with shit.

I myself, feel like I am balancing on the line for a year now with this stuff. It would be easier for a brain to just choose one side, bc - basically - you don't need to think about it, so your brain is not constantly overloaded like windows 98. I personally, choose to think by myself.
I found your link interesting, unfortunately, I will have to put it thru my filter and keep in mind, that it could be true, but it could be not.

 

[Lanny]

Clearly what they should be focusing on is a vaccine for stupid.

Trump would fight that tooth and nail.

 

[Lanny]

Seriously, how old are you?



It is same way on both sides. Both sides ignore posts, that don't fit them. This is the biggest problem - choosing war, instead of debate. Both sides are so deep in concrete of their opinions, they would rather spit on other man than listen to him. It's not like this is on covid only, it's on basically everything for years now.

And, unfortunately, there is another part. Both sides got enough of fat lies. Antivax first motivation (I think) is the fact, that media are corrupted to the bones and government keep lying to them for fucking long time.
Other side got enough of listening to caveman's talles about reptilians from people that base their brain on YouTube.

So if there is any opinion, that can change something, it is fast covered with shit.

I myself, feel like I am balancing on the line for a year now with this stuff. It would be easier for a brain to just choose one side, bc - basically - you don't need to think about it, so your brain is not constantly overloaded like windows 98. I personally, choose to think by myself.
I found your link interesting, unfortunately, I will have to put it thru my filter and keep in mind, that it could be true, but it could be not.

Arguing against Covid-19 vaccines is like arguing that 2 + 2 = 5 1/2. It's silly to get into it about such a trivial decision except that it's really serious business.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Seriously, how old are you?

What does that have to do with health testing to qualify for major organ transplant?

Even Steve Jobs didn't qualify most places in the US and had to have it done in Tennessee because the requirements were easier there.

And he was among the richest men in the world.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Arguing against Covid-19 vaccines is like arguing that 2 + 2 = 5 1/2. It's silly to get into it about such a trivial decision except that it's really serious business.

Actually. 2+2 can equal 5.

2.4 rounded + 2.4 rounded is 4.
But not rounded is 4.8. Then rounded is 5.
Even math and numbers can be manipulated.

I would think you being an engineer would know this.

 

[jonnyboy]

Jonnyboy sure loves telling us how we don’t care about peoples lives while defending anti vax fucks who are taking up hospital beds

I was talking about you, not anyone else. There’s no ‘we’ about it.

 

[jonnyboy]

You honestly aren't going to look at the facts that came out TODAY and give me your educated opinion? Why not? You are just keeping this going because you're bored? I honestly am asking for your opinion. Not one of you that keep this battle going have replied and I can tell you it's a bit frustrating as somebody who actually hasn't done a ton of research on all this.

Where’s the evidence to support unvaccinated people fueling the pandemic? I get the numbers about them being more at risk for hospitalization, fine, where’s the evidence that they are more likely to spread it? Everything I’ve seen is suggesting the vaccinated are carrying viral loads equal to that of unvaccinated. Your own data suggests the vaccine efficacy wanes after 4-6 months. Then what? All the hypochondria surrounding unvaccinated people literally goes against the science. The argument they may be putting themselves at higher risk is there, but that doesn’t support banishment from society if their chances of carrying and spreading the disease is the same as their vaccinated counterparts. Like I said before, there’s no ‘science’ behind people flip flopping between “I’m protected, your not” and “you’re a danger to me”. They literally, directly contradict each other. And none of that even addresses people’s legitimate concerns about the potential side effects of a new treatment. Why should a young person risk a 1 in 10000 chance of myocarditis when their chances of succumbing to covid are even lower than that?

 

[crandc]

A convicted January 6 insurrectionist argued she should get probation rather than jail time because she fears catching Covid in jail. She won't get vaccinated.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

A convicted January 6 insurrectionist argued she should get probation rather than jail time because she fears catching Covid in jail. She won't get vaccinated.

That’s dumb logic. And I know dumb logic - I see it play out with S2 posters everyday!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Where’s the evidence to support unvaccinated people fueling the pandemic? I get the numbers about them being more at risk for hospitalization, fine, where’s the evidence that they are more likely to spread it? Everything I’ve seen is suggesting the vaccinated are carrying viral loads equal to that of unvaccinated. Your own data suggests the vaccine efficacy wanes after 4-6 months. Then what? All the hypochondria surrounding unvaccinated people literally goes against the science. The argument they may be putting themselves at higher risk is there, but that doesn’t support banishment from society if their chances of carrying and spreading the disease is the same as their vaccinated counterparts. Like I said before, there’s no ‘science’ behind people flip flopping between “I’m protected, your not” and “you’re a danger to me”. They literally, directly contradict each other. And none of that even addresses people’s legitimate concerns about the potential side effects of a new treatment. Why should a young person risk a 1 in 10000 chance of myocarditis when their chances of succumbing to covid are even lower than that?

wreckless drivers on the road put others’ lives at risk. But Portland just decided to go down to one traffic cop for the whole city.
Where is the outrage for all the road rage drivers putting others’ lives at risk?

Here is what statistics show: Reckless driving causes 33% of all deaths involving major car accidents, which are more than 13,000 each year.

https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/road-rage-statistics/

check out the increase in percentage of road ragers in 2020 vs 2021.
Just gonna get worse with no police presence on the road.
And no im not for big brother cameras everywhere.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/pfizer-vaccine-waning-immunity/index.html

 

[Orion Bailey]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/06/health/pfizer-vaccine-waning-immunity/index.html

Well that would make sense in my situation…
I had the phizer times two.

Whats crazy is people talking about knowing the long term side effects when there hasn't been a long term time frame to study. But some people speak of long term side effects like its a fact and has been proven already.
Crazy crazy logic.
Or just bullying others to be like them based on an underlying political narrative with no true knowledge of long term side effects?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[HailBlazers]

The right like to say, "facts don't care about your feelings." Well, facts sure hurt their feelings because they get all pissy when their uninformed bullshit is challenged with facts.

"The waning appears to accelerate after the fourth month, to reach a low level of approximately 20% in subsequent months,"

 

[barfo]

Where’s the evidence to support unvaccinated people fueling the pandemic? I get the numbers about them being more at risk for hospitalization, fine, where’s the evidence that they are more likely to spread it? Everything I’ve seen is suggesting the vaccinated are carrying viral loads equal to that of unvaccinated. Your own data suggests the vaccine efficacy wanes after 4-6 months. Then what? All the hypochondria surrounding unvaccinated people literally goes against the science. The argument they may be putting themselves at higher risk is there, but that doesn’t support banishment from society if their chances of carrying and spreading the disease is the same as their vaccinated counterparts. Like I said before, there’s no ‘science’ behind people flip flopping between “I’m protected, your not” and “you’re a danger to me”. They literally, directly contradict each other. And none of that even addresses people’s legitimate concerns about the potential side effects of a new treatment. Why should a young person risk a 1 in 10000 chance of myocarditis when their chances of succumbing to covid are even lower than that?

We've gone over all of those points with you multiple times, you obviously aren't reading the responses to your posts.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[barfo]

wreckless drivers on the road put others’ lives at risk. But Portland just decided to go down to one traffic cop for the whole city.
Where is the outrage for all the road rage drivers putting others’ lives at risk?

Here is what statistics show: Reckless driving causes 33% of all deaths involving major car accidents, which are more than 13,000 each year.

https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/road-rage-statistics/

check out the increase in percentage of road ragers in 2020 vs 2021.
Just gonna get worse with no police presence on the road.
And no im not for big brother cameras everywhere.

Road rage and reckless driving are not the same things, at all.

barfo

 

[HailBlazers]

4 months, 2 months, the vaccines work and help to contain the spread of Covid and help lessen the severity of infections. How the fuck is this still being disputed? Do the vaccines work 100%? No, of course not. No one ever made such an absurd claim. Yes, vaccinated people can still get Covid and can still spread it. But the vaccines have been a damn good layer of protection.

"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," Biden said. I agree he's a nobody.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Where’s the evidence to support unvaccinated people fueling the pandemic? I get the numbers about them being more at risk for hospitalization, fine, where’s the evidence that they are more likely to spread it? Everything I’ve seen is suggesting the vaccinated are carrying viral loads equal to that of unvaccinated. Your own data suggests the vaccine efficacy wanes after 4-6 months. Then what? All the hypochondria surrounding unvaccinated people literally goes against the science. The argument they may be putting themselves at higher risk is there, but that doesn’t support banishment from society if their chances of carrying and spreading the disease is the same as their vaccinated counterparts. Like I said before, there’s no ‘science’ behind people flip flopping between “I’m protected, your not” and “you’re a danger to me”. They literally, directly contradict each other. And none of that even addresses people’s legitimate concerns about the potential side effects of a new treatment. Why should a young person risk a 1 in 10000 chance of myocarditis when their chances of succumbing to covid are even lower than that?

Those numbers were posted earlier. You specifically said you were ignoring them.

This is why you're so off base so often.

 

[Phatguysrule]

wreckless drivers on the road put others’ lives at risk. But Portland just decided to go down to one traffic cop for the whole city.
Where is the outrage for all the road rage drivers putting others’ lives at risk?

Here is what statistics show: Reckless driving causes 33% of all deaths involving major car accidents, which are more than 13,000 each year.

https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/road-rage-statistics/

check out the increase in percentage of road ragers in 2020 vs 2021.
Just gonna get worse with no police presence on the road.
And no im not for big brother cameras everywhere.

13,000 each year is nothing compared to covid-19 caused deaths and stress on the system. Not even close.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Well obviously it’s straightforward for you. We’ve all seen your posts on here, you literally get giddy when the news breaks about someone unvaccinated dying of covid.

He wants bullets in the heads of those people too.

Execution style.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Road rage and reckless driving are not the same things, at all.

barfo

did i say they were? Did you read the article? Your focus on the semantics vs the issue is amazing!!

and typical….

 

[barfo]

did i say they were? Did you read the article? Your focus on the semantics vs the issue is amazing!!

and typical….

I read your post, and it didn't make sense. The article you quoted is about road rage. So why are you talking about reckless driving?

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

I read your post, and it didn't make sense. The article you quoted is about road rage. So why are you talking about reckless driving?

barfo

Lol.
Not willing to read the article but question my post.
Typical….

The article will answer your question.


oh and the article speaks of recklessless driving aNd i spoke of road rage.
But the POINT is no traffic cops to deal with either.

But you and your semantics. Lol.

Do you realize you create much of the stupid back and forth here with your antics?


movin on now…
No need for typical Barfo bs.

 

[barfo]

Lol.
Not willing to read the article but question my post.
Typical….

The article will answer your question.

No, actually it won't and didn't. You ASSUME I didn't read it, actually I did.

oh and the article speaks of wreck less driving Nd i spoke of road rage.
But the POINT is no traffic cops to deal with either.

But you and your semantics. Lol.

Do you realize you create much of the stupid back and forth here with your antics?


movin on now…
No need for typical Barfo bs.

The article distinguishes between road rage and reckless driving. Your post does the opposite.

barfo

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[royo]

Haven't checked it, but those are 3rd world countries. Probably full of Trump supporters and doing research on YouTube. Jeff van Gundy should have a word with them.