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OSUBlazerfan said:
94! 94 fucking *associated* deaths. 94! read that again. 94!

And you are going to ask me to stick a substance into my kids that has barely been tested and has no long term studies (for kids)?????
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As I understand it, there is nothing unique in any of these vaccines except the fragment of covid-19 like proteins... Of which they'll get a lot more of by catching covid-19.
 
Phatguysrule said:
As I understand it, there is nothing unique in any of these vaccines except the fragment of covid-19 like proteins... Of which they'll get a lot more of by catching covid-19.
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But that's ok, because we have lots of long-term studies on the effects of covid on kids.

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750,000 Covid dead Americans and counting confirmed vs. unconfirmed rumor of less than 100 vaccine deaths.
 
crandc said:
750,000 Covid dead Americans and counting confirmed vs. unconfirmed rumor of less than 100 vaccine deaths.
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And tens of thousands (at least) of cases of adverse side effects and permanent damage. As far as vaccines go, this is the most problematic one ever, hands down. That’s more than enough reason for a young person to avoid it. Let the age groups that are actually affected by covid get the shot and lessen symptoms that hit them much harder. There is ZERO reason to be pushing this shot on children, there is a larger chance for children to experience an adverse reaction than there is for them to die of covid. It’s insane to give a child this shot. It’s a fear based decision devoid of basic logic.
 
jonnyboy said:
And tens of thousands (at least) of cases of adverse side effects and permanent damage. As far as vaccines go, this is the most problematic one ever, hands down. That’s more than enough reason for a young person to avoid it. Let the age groups that are actually affected by covid get the shot and lessen symptoms that hit them much harder. There is ZERO reason to be pushing this shot on children, there is a larger chance for children to experience an adverse reaction than there is for them to die of covid. It’s insane to give a child this shot. It’s a fear based decision devoid of basic logic.
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Some folks might say the exact same thing about your take on the vaccine. Just sayin’……….
 
Phatguysrule said:
As I understand it, there is nothing unique in any of these vaccines except the fragment of covid-19 like proteins... Of which they'll get a lot more of by catching covid-19.
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That's why natural immunity is better/longer lasting. You're exposed to the full 50ish proteins verus just a fragment, as I understand it.
 
jonnyboy said:
And tens of thousands (at least) of cases of adverse side effects and permanent damage. As far as vaccines go, this is the most problematic one ever, hands down. That’s more than enough reason for a young person to avoid it. Let the age groups that are actually affected by covid get the shot and lessen symptoms that hit them much harder. There is ZERO reason to be pushing this shot on children, there is a larger chance for children to experience an adverse reaction than there is for them to die of covid. It’s insane to give a child this shot. It’s a fear based decision devoid of basic logic.
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what adverse side effects and permanent damage?
 
HailBlazers said:
That's why natural immunity is better/longer lasting. You're exposed to the full 50ish proteins verus just a fragment, as I understand it.
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Is there actual data to back that up? I'm not sure.

Either way, you're just about 1000 x more likely to die trying to gain natural immunity if haven't been vaccinated.

Speaking of which, I'm heading to an unvaxxed guy's funeral today... Sounds like most of his family members (unvaxxed) are out of the hospital now... Many will be bringing oxygen tanks with them...
 
Phatguysrule said:
Is there actual data to back that up? I'm not sure.

Either way, you're just about 1000 x more likely to die trying to gain natural immunity if haven't been vaccinated.

Speaking of which, I'm heading to an unvaxxed guy's funeral today... Sounds like most of his family members (unvaxxed) are out of the hospital now... Many will be bringing oxygen tanks with them...
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yeah, while I haven’t researched the data I have seen, I’ve yet to see anything (aside from comments by non-experts posting on social media who claim to be educated on the matter) that says natural immunity is “better/longer lasting”. anything I’ve read either way says that the vaccine is better/longer lasting.
 
A recent study says that vaccines provide better protection than natural immunity.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/ar...nfection-induced-immunity#What-the-team-found
Bear in mind that the study group that had natural immunity were people who had a severe enough case to be hospitalized. There’s nothing in the study that says a mild or asymptomatic case provides significant immunity. Also, you have to consider the relative risk of getting Covid-19 vs being vaccinated. The vaccines are extremely safe despite internet misinformation to the contrary. Covid-19 illness carries a risk of death that varies with age. Beyond that, there’s a risk of long Covid, MISc in kids, lung, heart and other organ damage. One recent study says that about half of people who get even mild cases of Covid-19 still have symptoms that they are dealing with six months later.
 
Feds Pay Zero Claims For Covid-19 Vaccine Injuries/Deaths

In fiscal year 2021, the U.S. government paid $246.9 million in claims for vaccine-related injuries and deaths. Not a single payout was related to Covid-19 vaccines.

Each person with a “provable” injury from a Covid vaccine could claim up to $379,000 from a special Covid vaccine fund set up by the federal government. The payout for death could be as high as $370,376.

However, according to an OpenTheBooks.com investigation, the federal government didn’t pay a penny for Covid-vaccine claims. The special fund for these claims is called the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP).
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/adaman...o-claims-for-covid-19-vaccine-injuriesdeaths/
 
You’ve written off VAERS as a conspiracy group where bored people dedicate thousands of hours to making false claims of adverse reactions for fun while you’re getting your news from networks that are literally sponsored by Pfizer. Trying to provide citations here is fruitless.
 
jonnyboy said:
You’ve written off VAERS as a conspiracy group where bored people dedicate thousands of hours to making false claims of adverse reactions for fun while you’re getting your news from networks that are literally sponsored by Pfizer. Trying to provide citations here is fruitless.
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No, when @HailBlazers first posted about VAERS I went and read many of the posts. Many were written by non-medical people and are very suspect. Some were outright looney toons. Considering that you could go on there and claim anything all posts on there have to be verified by medical professionals.

But yes, you are free to believe that getting the covid vaccine in Las Vegas can give you herpes.
 
jonnyboy said:
You’ve written off VAERS as a conspiracy group where bored people dedicate thousands of hours to making false claims of adverse reactions for fun while you’re getting your news from networks that are literally sponsored by Pfizer. Trying to provide citations here is fruitless.
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Why are they making those claims but unable to prove it in a court of law? There is no evidence to support those claims.

Far more than the numbers in the VAERS claims die within months of hundreds of millions of mostly old and sick people being counted for anything.

Even if 100% of the claims were accurate (of which all available evidence suggests is not the case) it would still be far safer to get vaccinated for every age group than getting infected with Covid-19.
 
jonnyboy said:
You’ve written off VAERS as a conspiracy group where bored people dedicate thousands of hours to making false claims of adverse reactions for fun while you’re getting your news from networks that are literally sponsored by Pfizer. Trying to provide citations here is fruitless.
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As you probably know, VAERS is simply a system where anyone can report any reaction or symptom that they attribute to having received a vaccine. The intent is to be able to spot trends that indicate the need to study whether there are issues with a vaccine. People report all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. Until the reports are investigated scientifically, they don't mean much of anything.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Why are they making those claims but unable to prove it in a court of law? There is no evidence to support those claims.

Far more than the numbers in the VAERS claims die within months of hundreds of millions of mostly old and sick people being counted for anything.

Even if 100% of the claims were accurate (of which all available evidence suggests is not the case) it would still be far safer to get vaccinated for every age group than getting infected with Covid-19.
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Not children. You’re 100% wrong. Do math.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Show me? Back up your claim.
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There is no link from any source that you would find acceptable. The covid cult fanatics are more interested in getting pats on the back experimenting on their own children than they are simply accepting the fact that it is completely unnecessary. Don’t forget to take pictures of you kids with a needle hanging out of their arm to post on social media guys.
 
jonnyboy said:
There is no link from any source that you would find acceptable. The covid cult fanatics are more interested in getting pats on the back experimenting on their own children than they are simply accepting the fact that it is completely unnecessary. Don’t forget to take pictures of you kids with a needle hanging out of their arm to post on social media guys.
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HailBlazers said:
Unless you live on a boat in the ocean.
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