OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (7 Viewers)

[e_blazer]

Covid is going to hit everyone. Trying to avoid it is futile…

Sure. The virus is going to be around from here on out. They have found that it’s now commonly found in white tail deer and likely other mammals. Even if we clean it out of the human population in a given area for awhile, it will ultimately be brought back in from other areas where it’s active or through interaction with infected wildlife. The question is, since you’re almost certain to get it, would you rather deal with it having an immune system that recognizes it and can quickly build antibodies to fight it, or with an immune system that’s never seen it before? In your case, given that you got pretty sick even though you were fully vaccinated, I’d say there’s a pretty good chance that you owe your life to the vaccines.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sure. The virus is going to be around from here on out. They have found that it’s now commonly found in white tail deer and likely other mammals. Even if we clean it out of the human population in a given area for awhile, it will ultimately be brought back in from other areas where it’s active or through interaction with infected wildlife. The question is, since you’re almost certain to get it, would you rather deal with it having an immune system that recognizes it and can quickly build antibodies to fight it, or with an immune system that’s never seen it before? In your case, given that you got pretty sick even though you were fully vaccinated, I’d say there’s a pretty good chance that you owe your life to the vaccines.

im not advocating one over the other, other than to say that one can avoid it, im more and more believing to be false.

In my case i didn’t get really sick. Felt like a good head cold only and then the other symptoms that just haven't gone away.

I see both sides opinions on this.

For me? Im glad i was vaccinated prior to gdtting it. Might have been worse, no doubt. But based on the numbers of people who are asymptomatic, who really knows for sure?

i dont think anyone really does and were basing educated guesses based on incomplete information.

Thats all, so anything who is opposed to getting the vax, im not gonna ridicule them or anything.

The beauty of this country is everyone can feel how aNd believe what they want.

Who am i to tell someone else what is right or wrong for them?

 

[calvin natt]

im not advocating one over the other, other than to say that one can avoid it, im more and more believing to be false.

In my case i didn’t get really sick. Felt like a good head cold only and then the other symptoms that just haven't gone away.

I see both sides opinions on this.

For me? Im glad i was vaccinated prior to gdtting it. Might have been worse, no doubt. But based on the numbers of people who are asymptomatic, who really knows for sure?

i dont think anyone really does and were basing educated guesses based on incomplete information.

Thats all, so anything who is opposed to getting the vax, im not gonna ridicule them or anything.

The beauty of this country is everyone can feel how aNd believe what they want.

Who am i to tell someone else what is right or wrong for them?

Well if you’re right and they are wrong they need to know. Maybe 1/100 actually listens and learns. And when it’s fact vs fiction or right vs wrong, who cares what the fiction/wrong crowd think. There are “differences of opinion” where there may very well be no right or wrong, just different. That’s great. Sometimes it’s like ‘no dumbass you are just wrong and stupid”.

 

[barfo]

Avoiding covid is not logical.

Unless you live on a boat in the ocean.

Actually, it makes a lot of sense to avoid things that can kill you when there is a good alternative.

It is absolutely not the case that everyone is going to get covid no matter what we do. We do have a choice here.

Getting a vaccine is a very low risk, low effort way to reduce your chances of contracting and dying from covid.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well if you’re right and they are wrong they need to know. Maybe 1/100 actually listens and learns. And when it’s fact vs fiction or right vs wrong, who cares what the fiction/wrong crowd think. There are “differences of opinion” where there may very well be no right or wrong, just different. That’s great. Sometimes it’s like ‘no dumbass you are just wrong and stupid”.

everything ive seen says nothing is conclusive. Numbers may trend one way or another but nothing conclusive. As evidenced by the mutations we have seen.
So to me, its not factual. The trend may be factual but the narrative some push is not.

This is kind of like saying the sun is good for us.
Which is true for most But for some its not. And who am i to tell them the sun is good for them as some universal blanket answer?


It is a fact that some have had adverse reactions to the vaxxine. It doesn't matter how little of a percent. Its a percent and its a fact. So for them, it was likely a bad move. So who am i to determine its a fact that someone will or will not have a bad reaction or be saved?
Yea, numbers say its low but who am i to tell another to play the good odds? If the odds are not 100%, which its a fact it isn't, who am i to tell someone else what to do?

There are some here who seem to get off telling others what to think and do, all the time. I wouldn’t expect them to understand what im saying…

 

[jonnyboy]

everything ive seen says nothing is conclusive. Numbers may trend one way or another but nothing conclusive. As evidenced by the mutations we have seen.
So to me, its not factual. The trend may be factual but the narrative some push is not.

This is kind of like saying the sun is good for us.
Which is true for most But for some its not. And who am i to tell them the sun is good for them as some universal blanket answer?


It is a fact that some have had adverse reactions to the vaxxine. It doesn't matter how little of a percent. Its a percent and its a fact. So for them, it was likely a bad move. So who am i to determine its a fact that someone will or will not?
Yea, numbers say its low but who am i to tell another to play the good odds? If the odds are not 100%, which its a fact it isn't, who am i to tell someone else what to so?

There are some here who seem to get off telling others what to think and do all the time. I wouldn’t expect them to understand what im saying…

Exactly. There is literally nothing conclusive regarding this disease or the treatments for it. Yet all the people who take it upon themselves to degrade others can only do so after they have twisted the argument into absolutes.

 

[Voodoo]

Not children. You’re 100% wrong. Do math.

So you agree that it does work for adults then, hey we’ve made progress!

Actually, it makes a lot of sense to avoid things that can kill you when there is a good alternative.

It is absolutely not the case that everyone is going to get covid no matter what we do. We do have a choice here.

Getting a vaccine is a very low risk, low effort way to reduce your chances of contracting and dying from covid.

barfo

Yeah but you can’t own the pointy head libs that way now can you?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Avoiding covid is not logical.

Unless you live on a boat in the ocean.

However, avoiding dying from covid-19 is incredibly logical.

 

[noknobs]

Even if 100% of the claims were accurate (of which all available evidence suggests is not the case) it would still be far safer to get vaccinated for every age group than getting infected with Covid-19.

Not children. You’re 100% wrong. Do math.

Show me? Back up your claim.

There is no link from any source that you would find acceptable. The covid cult fanatics are more interested in getting pats on the back experimenting on their own children than they are simply accepting the fact that it is completely unnecessary. Don’t forget to take pictures of you kids with a needle hanging out of their arm to post on social media guys.

Then start with links that I'll find unacceptable and we can go from there. I'm just curious to see what's made you so confident that children are safer getting covid than they are getting vaccinated.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Then start with links that I'll find unacceptable and we can go from there. I'm just curious to see what's made you so confident that children are safer getting covid than they are getting vaccinated.

 

[crandc]

The sun is good for us is not a scientific statement.
Vaccines are safe and effective is. Research backs it up.
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Nothing in medicine is. I know three women who got pregnant while using birth control pills. Pill is more than 99% effective but out of hundreds of millions of users some are unlucky. It is vastly more effective than hoping for the best.
Vaccines are not 100% risk free. Nothing in medicine, or life, is. People have died from aspirin. But vaccines are vastly less risky than polio, smallpox, measles, diphtheria, pertussis, influenza, and Covid.

 

[barfo]

The sun is good for us is not a scientific statement.

I think science tells us that if the sun were to disappear, explode, or otherwise stop producing radiation, then we'd all die.

Therefore, I think the sun is good for us.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

The sun is good for us is not a scientific statement.
Vaccines are safe and effective is. Research backs it up.
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Nothing in medicine is. I know three women who got pregnant while using birth control pills. Pill is more than 99% effective but out of hundreds of millions of users some are unlucky. It is vastly more effective than hoping for the best.
Vaccines are not 100% risk free. Nothing in medicine, or life, is. People have died from aspirin. But vaccines are vastly less risky than polio, smallpox, measles, diphtheria, pertussis, influenza, and Covid.

The sun provides vitamin D which is good for us. Not scientifically proven?

hmm this article here from yale says vitamin d is needed for humans and that we can get it from the sun.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vitamin-d-myths-debunked

“First, some facts: Your body needs vitamin D. Its main job is to help the body absorb calcium from the intestines. This calcium is necessary to help “mineralize the skeleton” over the course of your lifetime and is a critical mineral for forming the hardened bone that keeps you strong and healthy.”

“When exposed to the sun, your skin can manufacture its own vitamin D. “We each have vitamin D receptor cells that, through a chain of reactions starting with conversion of cholesterol in the skin, produce vitamin D3 when they’re exposed to ultraviolet B (UVB) from the sun,” says Yale Medicine dermatologist David J. Leffell, MD, chief of Dermatologic Surgery. “

So how is it not a “scientific” statement saying the Sun is good for most?

are you trying to refute the yale article above? If not, im not sure of the point you are trying to make here….

…Other than you just agreed with me that vaccines are not 100% effective.
And for most people to take it, may be the best thing. However for some, facts have proven it has not been.

So how could i possibly ridicule or force, or make fun of anyone to do something that has a potential risk… however slight?

Its no more my right to tell a person they have to get the vaccine than it is to tell a pregnant woman, she cant have an abortion.

 

[barfo]

Its no more my right to tell a person they have to get the vaccine than it is to tell a pregnant woman, she cant have an abortion.

Pregnancy isn't an infectious disease.

But I agree with you. You (or I) don't have any right to order other people around.

Public policy makers do, however, have not just the right but the obligation to ensure public safety.

barfo

 

[crandc]

I think science tells us that if the sun were to disappear, explode, or otherwise stop producing radiation, then we'd all die.

Therefore, I think the sun is good for us.

barfo

Life on earth depends on the sun. That is provable fact. Good for you is a vague statement, not something science deals with. Mercury is bare rock because it is close to sun.
Hey, I made my living as medical writer and editor, makes me picky about language.

 

[crandc]

A study by Kaiser Family Foundation showed people whose primary news source is Fox are more likely to believe misinformation about pandemic and vaccine than those whose primary news source is local news or other national networks.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The sun provides vitamin D which is good for us. Not scientifically proven?

hmm this article here from yale says vitamin d is needed for humans and that we can get it from the sun.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vitamin-d-myths-debunked

“First, some facts: Your body needs vitamin D. Its main job is to help the body absorb calcium from the intestines. This calcium is necessary to help “mineralize the skeleton” over the course of your lifetime and is a critical mineral for forming the hardened bone that keeps you strong and healthy.”

“When exposed to the sun, your skin can manufacture its own vitamin D. “We each have vitamin D receptor cells that, through a chain of reactions starting with conversion of cholesterol in the skin, produce vitamin D3 when they’re exposed to ultraviolet B (UVB) from the sun,” says Yale Medicine dermatologist David J. Leffell, MD, chief of Dermatologic Surgery. “

So how is it not a “scientific” statement saying the Sun is good for most?

are you trying to refute the yale article above? If not, im not sure of the point you are trying to make here….

…Other than you just agreed with me that vaccines are not 100% effective.
And for most people to take it, may be the best thing. However for some, facts have proven it has not been.

So how could i possibly ridicule or force, or make fun of anyone to do something that has a potential risk… however slight?

Its no more my right to tell a person they have to get the vaccine than it is to tell a pregnant woman, she cant have an abortion.

A pregnant woman getting an abortion doesn't cause other people to die. Forcing pregnant women to carry a pregnancy to term has always resulted in increased violence and crime rates, and has always negatively impacted the economy. Basically, there is no benefit. All down side. Allowing women to make the choice is basically all up side.

Not getting vaccinated can kill millions. Getting vaccinated has no negative impact on society. Quite the opposite.

There is a huge difference between the two.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yet all the people who take it upon themselves to degrade others can only do so after they have twisted the argument into absolutes.

I have politely and factually replied to you numerous times. Others have too. You have this pattern of coming in this thread, mocking people, and then claiming you're somehow a victim. It's very odd.

But if that's how you see yourself in this then cool.

 

[HailBlazers]

Not getting vaccinated can kill millions.

Yeah No.

In fact, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that the Covid vaccines are working “exceptionally well” against severe illness and death, but “what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

 

[crandc]

Yeah No.

In fact, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that the Covid vaccines are working “exceptionally well” against severe illness and death, but “what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

Exactly. You can get the virus but have mild or no symptoms. Instead of, you know, dying.

 

[julius]

Yeah No.

In fact, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that the Covid vaccines are working “exceptionally well” against severe illness and death, but “what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

death ≠ preventing transmission.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yeah No.

In fact, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that the Covid vaccines are working “exceptionally well” against severe illness and death, but “what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

Exactly what I said. Transmission doesn't kill millions of vaccinated people. Or even hundreds of thousands.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I have politely and factually replied to you numerous times. Others have too. You have this pattern of coming in this thread, mocking people, and then claiming you're somehow a victim. It's very odd.

But if that's how you see yourself in this then cool.

oh please. You read the condescension from others just like we do….just because you have done so politely, doesn't mean others have been the same.
Right above you is me trying to have a conversation but you know picky with words and semantics instead of addressing the meat of the topic…

you dont call that shit out but instead focus on johnny and making him out as some me victim because YOU were polite.
Doesn't mean others have been polite…

i know this play too…..

its the same play, different day from many here…

stop protecting them.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah No.

In fact, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that the Covid vaccines are working “exceptionally well” against severe illness and death, but “what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

so whether you are vaxxed or not, you can now spread it the same?

so then anyone not vaxxed is just making a personal choice that does not change the affect the choice has on others?

but yet there is still mass condescension for those concerned about the vax for personal reasons?

and the moral authority crowd is still belittling some for not being vaxxed?

if the vaxx doesn't stop the spread or quell it, then what concern is it of anyone else if another doesn't get vaxxed?

 

[Orion Bailey]

A pregnant woman getting an abortion doesn't cause other people to die. Forcing pregnant women to carry a pregnancy to term has always resulted in increased violence and crime rates, and has always negatively impacted the economy. Basically, there is no benefit. All down side.

Not getting vaccinated can kill millions. Getting vaccinated has no negative impact on society. Quite the opposite. Allowing women to make the choice is basically all up side.

There is a huge difference between the two.

Not being vaxxed doesnt cause others to die either. Read below. Hyperbole much?

so they are exactly the same. A personal choice, that i shouldn't force another to make one way or the others. But i wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Yeah No.

In fact, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that the Covid vaccines are working “exceptionally well” against severe illness and death, but “what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”

 

[Orion Bailey]

Pregnancy isn't an infectious disease.

But I agree with you. You (or I) don't have any right to order other people around.

Public policy makers do, however, have not just the right but the obligation to ensure public safety.

barfo

and what policy makers have made vaxxines mandatory?
But sure, twist things again instead of focusing on the point made… typical.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not being vaxxed doesnt cause others to die either. Read below. Hyperbole much?

so they are exactly the same. A personal choice, that i shouldn't force another to make one way or the others. But i wouldn't expect you to understand that.

It absolutely does. When hospitals are full of unvaccinated people other people who need care die.

Also that link doesn't say what you're implying. That vaccination doesn't 100% prevent transmission doesn't mean anything except it's still a good idea for the vaccinated to wear masks in crowded settings until the assholes get vaccinated.

Vaccination does reduce the risks of infection by about 70-80%.

So yes, not getting vaccinated makes you more likely to infect others, thereby more likely to perpetuate the pandemic which has killed millions.

 

[Phatguysrule]

and what policy makers have made vaxxines mandatory?
But sure, twist things again instead of focusing on the point made… typical.

Many corporate policy makers. And most public policy makers have refused to restrict companies from making mandates.

Aside from that, here's one.

In September, Biden announced a new plan: Anyone working for or doing business with the federal government would have to get vaccinated, without the option of testing for the virus.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-mandates-work-find-civilian-workforce/story?id=81108579

 

[Lanny]

750,000 Covid dead Americans and counting confirmed vs. unconfirmed rumor of less than 100 vaccine deaths.

I just got checked yesterday for an upcoming dental appointment and found out I don't have it.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

In case anyone needed more evidence about the silliness of the anti-vax crowd:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...ing-to-undo-their-shots/ar-AAQCA7b?li=BBnb7Kz