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Chris Craig said:
All forms of Covid are deadly. Over a million died here in the US, most from the original strain. Far more would have died without the vaccine.
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Those who had the least deaths from covid locked down first, adhered to masking and vaccinations....New Zealand, Denmark and Taiwan......funny none of those countries had deaths from vaccines or Bill Gates microchip implants....go figure.....the country (US) that stubbornly denied vaccines and masking and lockdown protocols had over a million deaths...pretty simple sample size if you ask me. I followed the protocols and never got covid and surprisingly, I'm still alive! The millions who died were overwhelmingly anti vaccination anti mask magatards.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
I'm a Covid Unicorn too!
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Ditto.
It was never said that you wouldn’t get Covid if you got the shot. It was also never said that you might not get Covid if you got the shot, but what do you know, here we are.

I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority of those who haven’t had Covid yet are vaccinated.
 
Someone did something. That's all you need to know. This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

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SlyPokerDog said:
Antivaccine activists use a government database on side effects to scare the public
Successful reporting system helps flag real problems but is being twisted in COVID-19 era

https://www.science.org/content/art...government-database-side-effects-scare-public
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You'll find plenty of gas lighting articles that will try and make you believe there is nothing to worry about. But don't let them insult your intelligence. They rely on people to Google, read a reassuring fact check then stop.

But you must ask yourself, if medical professionals have submitted more reports to vaers about mrna vaccines than for every other vaccine in 30 years COMBINED, us it reasonable to hand waive that away as nothing?
 
Chris Craig said:
All forms of Covid are deadly. Over a million died here in the US, most from the original strain. Far more would have died without the vaccine.
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The hospitals were killing people with remdesivir and ventilators. Early effective treatments were and still are being suppressed.

They also counted everything possible as a covid death, we suddenly had no flu deaths for example.

There is no rtc that showed any mortality benefit, nor do we see a mortality benefit in any population. We see precisely the opposite. So what you said is a profession of faith
 
riverman said:
Those who had the least deaths from covid locked down first, adhered to masking and vaccinations....New Zealand, Denmark and Taiwan......funny none of those countries had deaths from vaccines or Bill Gates microchip implants....go figure.....the country (US) that stubbornly denied vaccines and masking and lockdown protocols had over a million deaths...pretty simple sample size if you ask me. I followed the protocols and never got covid and surprisingly, I'm still alive! The millions who died were overwhelmingly anti vaccination anti mask magatards.
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Lockdown measures have been rigorously studied by john hopkins in a massive study and they found no benefit

I know you probably listen to left wing outlets like msnbc and npr, who were cheering on these measures, so the truth must be hard for you to hear.

If you believe locking down a whole society is acceptable on order to attempt to halt transmission of a virus that produces a cold like illness in most, then im sorry but you are a perfect example of how weak most gave become.
 
Many left wingers can't see the truth because you've allowed your identities to be wrapped up in this mantle of being the ones who 'take covid seriously.'

You will therefore embrace and stupid measure put forth by an authority no matter how harmful or ineffective.
 
Everytime a new virus comes around, the technocrats get to become little dictators. Look at the massive wealth transfer that took place. There was so much fear mongering.

One example, why were they announcing a death rate before they had any idea how many were infected? There is actually evidence that sars cov2 was spreading far longer than dec 2019.

A study showed that most democrats believed the hospitalization rate was over 50% where did they get that idea? From the fear porn.
 
Bottom line, if the vaccines worked, and we got almost 90% of our vulnerable population v deaths would go DOWN not UP.
 
beast crnjo said:
The hospitals were killing people with remdesivir and ventilators. Early effective treatments were and still are being suppressed.

They also counted everything possible as a covid death, we suddenly had no flu deaths for example.

There is no rtc that showed any mortality benefit, nor do we see a mortality benefit in any population. We see precisely the opposite. So what you said is a profession of faith
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Remdesivir the same drug they gave the former president. They were keeping people alive with ventilators. What effective treatments? Hydroxychloroquine? Horse parasite medicine? Sunlight on the insides? All actual effective treatments were and are being used. This virus was new, in the beginning it wasn't known how to treat it. The best treatments had to be learned as they went.

They didn't count everything as Covid deaths. There were many deaths were people had underlying conditions and got Covid and died as a result.

There were very few flu deaths because everyone was at home and it wasn't able to spread.
 
crandc said:
I think cleaning the cat box would be a better use of my time.
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I think so too, and I don't even own a cat (am not even owned by a cat), but maybe the neighbors will allow me to clean theirs.

barfo
 
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beast crnjo said:
Lockdown measures have been rigorously studied by john hopkins in a massive study and they found no benefit

I know you probably listen to left wing outlets like msnbc and npr, who were cheering on these measures, so the truth must be hard for you to hear.

If you believe locking down a whole society is acceptable on order to attempt to halt transmission of a virus that produces a cold like illness in most, then im sorry but you are a perfect example of how weak most gave become.
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You're living in a right wing nationalistic bubble....the world knows better..my heart doctors know better...you can deny it and listen to your Q'Anon conspiracy theorists and Alex Jones all day but the weakness is in your lack of responsibility and denial of public health. I don't know you but I know the truth about the pandemic....I lived in Taiwan through the SARS pandemic as well...only a fool would gamble with actual scientific demonstrable truth....you can name call people all day but it just exposes your connection to the real problem in the world today...uneducated preachers with an invisible concept of actual reality....good luck with that ...if you want to engage my posts....do so with an adult perspective ofrlook elsewhere for conversation. My network of vaccinated professionals is doing just fine. Only your crowd has been filling graveyards in the name of denial. I'm taking you off the board for now so don't bother replying..I prefer actual discourse with people who have a grip on current events..not sensationalized propogandists. Go get your vaccination.
 
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beast crnjo said:
You'll find plenty of gas lighting articles that will try and make you believe there is nothing to worry about. But don't let them insult your intelligence. They rely on people to Google, read a reassuring fact check then stop.

But you must ask yourself, if medical professionals have submitted more reports to vaers about mrna vaccines than for every other vaccine in 30 years COMBINED, us it reasonable to hand waive that away as nothing?
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Source on the number of medical professionals please?

Source on the number who have medical certifications related to epidemiology or virology?

My mother has COPD. Was having trouble breathing and had to take a trip to the ER and ended up having to be admitted and stay for a few days. This happens a few times per year for her.

At the ER they tested for Covid and she came up positive. Doc said not to worry. She's fully vaccinated. He said he was proud of her for it. He said, while they have lost a LOT of patients to covid-19, they have only lost one who was vaccinated. And that person was on death's bed with cancer before they were infected with Covid-19.

Welcome to Oregon City, where we have a lot of antivaxxers. But a lot fewer now than when the pandemic started.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Source on the number of medical professionals please?

Source on the number who have medical certifications related to epidemiology or virology?

My mother has COPD. Was having trouble breathing and had to take a trip to the ER and ended up having to be admitted and stay for a few days. This happens a few times per year for her.

At the ER they tested for Covid and she came up positive. Doc said not to worry. She's fully vaccinated. He said he was proud of her for it. He said, while they have lost a LOT of patients to covid-19, they have only lost one who was vaccinated. And that person was on death's bed with cancer before they were infected with Covid-19.

Welcome to Oregon City, where we have a lot of antivaxxers. But a lot fewer now than when the pandemic started.
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You can look at vaers data yourself though openvaers. The majority are submitted by the medical provider, as they are legally obligated, though its massively underreported by a factor of 40-100x. 40 seems to be the minimum.

Hospitals often do not have good vaccination data. If you get the jab at walgreens, that data does not flow to the hospital.
 
riverman said:
You're living in a right wing nationalistic bubble....the world knows better..my heart doctors know better...you can deny it and listen to your Q'Anon conspiracy theorists and Alex Jones all day but the weakness is in your lack of responsibility and denial of public health. I don't know you but I know the truth about the pandemic....I lived in Taiwan through the SARS pandemic as well...only a fool would gamble with actual scientific demonstrable truth....you can name call people all day but it just exposes your connection to the real problem in the world today...uneducated preachers with an invisible concept of actual reality....good luck with that ...if you want to engage my posts....do so with an adult perspective ofrlook elsewhere for conversation. My network of vaccinated professionals is doing just fine. Only your crowd has been filling graveyards in the name of denial. I'm taking you off the board for now so don't bother replying..I prefer actual discourse with people who have a grip on current events..not sensationalized propogandists. Go get your vaccination.
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I'm not qanon or right wing. I just see the corruption and the lies. The public is being gas lite and lied to at every level, by pharma, governments and their media lackys. Your an adult and can do as you choose, but you've been warned.
 
Remember when the cdc and uk bragged that the vaccine reduced ALL CAUSE mortality? Yet all cause mortality then went UP. How much more obvious can their lying be? They are twerking in your face.

Their stats were derived from counting the deaths induced within 14 days of the jab as unvaccinated deaths.
 
beast crnjo said:
You can look at vaers data yourself though openvaers. The majority are submitted by the medical provider, as they are legally obligated, though its massively underreported by a factor of 40-100x. 40 seems to be the minimum.

Hospitals often do not have good vaccination data. If you get the jab at walgreens, that data does not flow to the hospital.
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Yes, my doctor knows that I've been vaccinated. There is a state database that hospitals have access to.

So you admit that it isn't medical professionals making the complaints, just doing their legal duty by filing the complaints random people make.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yes, my doctor knows that I've been vaccinated. There is a state database that hospitals have access to.

So you admit that it isn't medical professionals making the complaints, just doing their legal duty by filing the complaints random people make.
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No, they report based on what the see. You can read a sampling. Hospitals have their own medical record systems and patients vaccination status defaults to no.

Vaccination status data is very messy. UK for example, they have a national health system, yet their two official sources if health statistics vary widely on the overall % vaccinated. The us is very hodge podge by comparison.
 
The fda uses a similar system called FAERS, in which the public submits issues for all kinds of products, and they use that as a basis for recalling hundreds of products per year. But when it comes to vaers theres this hand waiving argument....
 
beast crnjo said:
No, they report based on what the see. You can read a sampling. Hospitals have their own medical record systems and patients vaccination status defaults to no.

Vaccination status data is very messy. UK for example, they have a national health system, yet their two official sources if health statistics vary widely on the overall % vaccinated. The us is very hodge podge by comparison.
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beast crnjo said:
The fda uses a similar system called FAERS, in which the public submits issues for all kinds of products, and they use that as a basis for recalling hundreds of products per year. But when it comes to vaers theres this hand waiving argument....
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Anyone can go on Vaers and claim anything.

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https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index.jsp
 
Bold move @SlyPokerDog

Warning: Knowingly filing a false VAERS report with the intent to mislead the Department of Health and Human Services is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.
 
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