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The researchers examined autopsy data from 35 people who died unexpectedly within 20 days of COVID-19 vaccination and concluded that for two of them, vaccine-induced myocarditis represented the “likely” cause of death, while for three others, the condition was a “possible” cause of death.

Some experts, however, have questioned those conclusions — and even if valid, they don’t mean the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits. On the contrary, numerous studies have shown the vaccines provide good protection against severe COVID-19 and death — and only rarely cause serious side effects. Studies have also shown that in most age groups myocarditis following vaccination is less frequent than after COVID-19, and clinically, most vaccine-related myocarditis cases are mild. This context was missing when many people shared the autopsy study online.

“Autopsies found that 5/35 people who died suddenly within 20 days of COVID-19 vaccination had myocarditis as a likely/possible cause of death,” Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo tweeted on Dec. 2, linking to the study.

“These deaths aren’t captured by other studies because these patients never made it to the hospital…mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are far less safe than any vaccines widely used. When does sanity return to science? Why do scientists breathlessly defend this technology?” he added, in a tweet that got over 18,000 likes.

Ladapo also misleadingly said that the autopsy study was “consistent with Florida’s analysis,” referring to a discredited analysis performed by the Florida Department of Health. It purportedly found an increased risk of cardiac-related death following vaccination in younger adult males and was the basis for the state to no longer recommend the mRNA vaccines for that group in October. As we wrote at the time, experts in statistics said the analysis was flawed.

Last week, in a roundtable hosted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Ladapo announced a plan to study myocarditis in people who died within a few weeks of COVID-19 vaccination using autopsy results, inspired by the German report. (For more information, see SciCheck’s “DeSantis’ Dubious COVID-19 Vaccine Claims.”)

Ladapo’s tweet was followed by multiple articles, videos and social media posts suggesting the German autopsy report’s findings were alarming. The report was embraced by those who have been advancing the false narrative that the vaccines are causing widespread deaths. Its publication came just a few days after the release of “Died Suddenly,” a viral video that baselessly claimed the vaccines were causing people to suddenly drop dead in a plot to depopulate the world.

This is a good learning opportunity for you, to learn how the "fact check" mind games work. The evidence needs to be exampled from multiple angles, and for any one bit of evidence that is focused on, the "fact checkers" who themselves are NOT experts in whatever they are talking on, will say, "Yes, but what about x,y,z", and then play the same diversionary games for x,y and z.

Sure, we've had more reports of death and adverse reactions for covid-19 VAERS than for all other vaccines in the combined 30 year history, but VAERS is only a reporting system, it doesn't prove causation.
Sure, we know the vaccine can cause death in some people, but it doesn't prove this occurs in significant numbers.
Sure excess death went up in many countries after vaccine rollout, but we can't establish this was caused by the vaccine.
Sure, we've now found many alarming mechanisms of potential harm from the vaccine, but there is no evidence it's doing harms.

It's gaslighting. Wisen up.
 
Quick survey: how many in here are a fan of the new law they passed in France, where someone can be imprisoned for questioning the safety of any therapeutic the government is promoting?

And if you are in favor, would you like to see that done here in the US?
 
It's not to me.
Unless you can get pregnant it's none of your concern.

The 14th Amendment of the US Constitution says we can't force somebody to go through a life altering event like pregnancy. And the 5th Amendment says that we don't even have the right to know if she is or was ever pregnant.

You see, I consistently support constitutional rights.
 
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The Founding Fathers will roll over in their graves if they talk to Moses up there. He has 2 new Commandments, "Thou shalt not put anyone through a life-altering event" and "Thou shalt not know whether he or she is pregnant."

Stats help. At its peak, 4000 Americans per day died from coronavirus. Now it's only 200 per day = 6000 Americans last month. Nuttn' to worry about, burn your mask and spin the big casino wheel.
 
Quick survey: how many in here are a fan of the new law they passed in France, where someone can be imprisoned for questioning the safety of any therapeutic the government is promoting?

And if you are in favor, would you like to see that done here in the US?
Why would anybody support something like that? First and foremost, it would be unconstitutional as hell.
 
Why would anybody support something like that? First and foremost, it would be unconstitutional as hell.

Covid proved how many in the US would have made good little Nazis. If one is in favor of putting someone in prison for refusing the vaccine, there's a good chance they'd be in favor of it for saying it's dangerous.
 
Unless you can get pregnant it's none of your concern.

The 14th Amendment of the US Constitution says we can't force somebody to go through a life altering event like pregnancy. And the 5th Amendment says that we don't even have the right to know if she is or was ever pregnant.

You see, I consistently support constitutional rights.

Nonsense. That's like saying you shouldn't be against slavery unless you're black.

The 14th Amendment argument was correctly viewed as baseless. Our lives are protected, so the question is when does that protection start.
 
Covid proved how many in the US would have made good little Nazis. If one is in favor of putting someone in prison for refusing the vaccine, there's a good chance they'd be in favor of it for saying it's dangerous.
Who advocated for putting people in prison for refusing the vaccine?
 
A video about stupid people is not evidence of anything. That is entertainment.
Interestingly though, you all engage in a Trump thread that is solely dedicated to posting anecdotal videos of random hillbillies saying dumb things, then attributing it to ALL conservatives across the board.
 
Nonsense. That's like saying you shouldn't be against slavery unless you're black.
No, actually it's not at all similar.

The 14th Amendment argument was correctly viewed as baseless. Our lives are protected, so the question is when does that protection start.

The 14th Amendment clearly defines people who are protected as "All persons born or naturalized in the United States". It very clearly includes all races, and very clearly excludes the unborn.

Further, the constitution protects individuals from government. The government does not have the right to determine medical information that a person hasn't agreed to share with the government. The government doesn't have the right to restrict medical decisions a person would make for their own reasons.
 
No, actually it's not at all similar.

The 14th Amendment clearly defines people who are protected as "All persons born or naturalized in the United States". It very clearly includes all races, and very clearly excludes the unborn.

Further, the constitution protects individuals from government. The government does not have the right to determine medical information that a person hasn't agreed to share with the government. The government doesn't have the right to restrict medical decisions a person would make for their own reasons.

Trying to apply that to the abortion debate is mind-numbingly stupid.

Our government enforces murder laws, which pretty much every government has since the beginning of time. The argument that if it's in the womb it somehow ceases being a human life is absurd.

If someone were to take a premie out of an incubator and bash it against the floor, they'd be charged with murder. Under your logic, it would be ok to murder it if we were somehow able to put it back in the womb surgically.
 
Interestingly though, you all engage in a Trump thread that is solely dedicated to posting anecdotal videos of random hillbillies saying dumb things, then attributing it to ALL conservatives across the board.
I don't take any video of random people as evidence of anything except that wherever there is a camera there are stupid people trying to get in front of it.
 
Trying to apply that to the abortion debate is mind-numbingly stupid.

Our government enforces murder laws, which pretty much every government has since the beginning of time. The argument that if it's in the womb it somehow ceases being a human life is absurd.

If someone were to take a premie out of an incubator and bash it against the floor, they'd be charged with murder. Under your logic, it would be ok to murder it if we were somehow able to put it back in the womb surgically.
In this pure fantasy scenerio the premie would have been born. It would be protected by the constitution. Even if it were put back in the womb surgically, it would have already been born. It would be unconstitutional to force the mother to put it back in her womb.
 
In this pure fantasy scenerio the premie would have been born. It would be protected by the constitution. Even if it were put back in the womb surgically, it would have already been born. It would be unconstitutional to force the mother to put it back in her womb.

The process of being "born" is simply coming out of the womb. If you're going to be logically consistent, what is it about being inside the womb? You're ok with a 9 month old inside the womb being torn apart but not a 6 month old premie in an incubator? Your position makes no sense. And I think you must know that at some level, but you're hell-bent on defending your tribe's position.
 
I've put both MARIS61's accounts on ignore now. ...funny how no disabled senior vets have died from the vaccine nor any of my doctors, nurses, friends or their families. If the vaccine killed people, I'd have died four times already...I'm proof this anti vax shit is bat shit crazy.....along with everyone I know. One of my vaxxed friends died recently but she was 99 years old and ready to go. I'll bet she made it on a MAGA death list as she was also vaccinated. I personally don't give a shit if you get vaxxed or not. It gives me some comfort knowing that if you aren't vaxxed you can't travel to where my in laws live. The Taiwanese didn't fuck around with covid arguments...they just snuffed it out in quick fashion unlike the MAGAtards here in my home country who would rather die and spread the virus than take any social responsibility for public safety. ..stupid fucks.
 
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The process of being "born" is simply coming out of the womb. If you're going to be logically consistent, what is it about being inside the womb? You're ok with a 9 month old inside the womb being torn apart
This doesn't happen. Like, at all. There is no need for a law, and there is no law that could justly regulate this more fairly than allowing the patient to make this decision with their doctor. We have constitutional rights that protects the patient's ability to make their own decision in this situation.

but not a 6 month old premie in an incubator? Your position makes no sense.
We already have a law that protects this premie. I don't need to make a judgement call. What's the problem here?

And I think you must know that at some level, but you're hell-bent on defending your tribe's position.
Lol. Yeah, my tribe supports the individual's right to choose what they do with their own life. Consistently.

It's surprisingly tough to find members.
 

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