could be an interesting acquisition..help at 1b and DH

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blgridesagain said:
I hear ya........I'll be kind to him and say he isn't going to be the second coming of Paul O'Neill or Tino Martinez. lol

However, although I DO expect Tex to have a better year than last year, he didn't even make the top 10 qualifying A.L. 1b.
Jones is going to be used (IMO) primarily as the LH part of a DH platoon and of course probably a few games at 1b. Beltran and a couple of others will fill most of the ABs vs LHP.

As for Jones' DH role, keep in mind he hits better vs RHP where he'll see most of his action.
Last year when he was facing more LHP than he will this year, he still managed to put up better numbers (with the exception of a couple HRs and TB) than the total accumulated numbers by Yankee DHs who ranked near the bottom in most categories....
12th-TB, 12th- BA, 12th- slg%,
12th-ops, 13th- RBI, 14th- OBP
Consistently BAD.

With Jones doing a lot of the LH part of the DH rotation along with Beltran and a couple
of others from the right side, I think the DH spot will be taken care of.
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And such ABs will only happen if A-Rod is a total bust.
 
NTM-Jones triple digit yearly strike outs, is anything from getting excited over.......again desperation at its best....!

I bet Cash-box has nightmares over how he wishes HE was Billy Beane...!
 
blgridesagain said:
However, although I DO expect Tex to have a better year than last year, he didn't even make the top 10 qualifying A.L. 1b.
Jones is going to be used (IMO) primarily as the LH part of a DH platoon and of course probably a few games at 1b. Beltran and a couple of others will fill most of the ABs vs LHP.

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...I don't think there's any way that Tex doesn't improve over last year but of course he needs to stay healthy....same with Drew because even though he's never been an offensive monster I gotta believe that holding out last year and missing ST hurt him just like it appeared to hurt Kendrys Morales. Drew was abysmal last year offensively and there's no way he'll be that bad this year...I'd be happy with a .250 BA.
...I also see a slight possible uptick for Beltran but he also needs to find a way to stay in the lineup...Gardner has room for improvement as does Ellsbury and McCann.
...I don't see Headley being any better than the numbers he put up with the Yanx last year and that's providing his back doesn't go out on him again...I don't see ARod contributing enough to stay in the line up even if he makes it through ST and is given a roster spot.

...the pitching staff is another subject altogether.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I don't think there's any way that Tex doesn't improve over last year but of course he needs to stay healthy....same with Drew because even though he's never been an offensive monster I gotta believe that holding out last year and missing ST hurt him just like it appeared to hurt Kendrys Morales. Drew was abysmal last year offensively and there's no way he'll be that bad this year...I'd be happy with a .250 BA.
...I also see a slight possible uptick for Beltran but he also needs to find a way to stay in the lineup...Gardner has room for improvement as does Ellsbury.
...I don't see Headley being any better than the numbers he put up with the Yanx last year and that's providing his back doesn't go out on him again...I don't see ARod contributing enough to stay in the line up even if he makes it through ST and is given a roster spot.

...the pitching staff is another subject altogether.
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You hit the bullseye, and true, the tell all, will all come down to the Team staying Healthy....

I'd love to see Tex return to earlier years form, when he was a threat to be dealt with....I'd be thrilled to see Drew hit .290, but shit yes, I'd be happy as a pig jig to see Drew hit .250; (I know its a knee jerk reaction for me to expect more out of players than reality serves us).....and, I'd be stunned if Drew did a repeat of last year. For quit a while, I've denied Drew's holding out may of cost him last year. The more I think of just that, over time, I could see his hold out as a possible detriment, to His not being ready for prime time.....once his feet hit the ground in NY....
 
When you're already on the bottom as Tex & Drew are there's really no where else to go but up.
 
Last- a offensive output of: (.241 .295 .435 .730) from Jones, IS an improvement over Tex's .216 B'avg, but really doesn't impress me at all. I don't get impressed to much over anyone who hits below .300, tho' I'll take a .290 hitter almost any day. In this case, why is anyone excited because Jones can best Tex's .216 mark. While a.241 B'Avg stinks of desperation....!!!

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But you left out a couple of details.
Jones wasn't brought here to replace Tex.
Do the math, he doesn't play 3b, SS, 2b, C, LF, CF...he'll see some time in RF and occasionally at 1b unless Tex gets injured.

He was brought over basically for DH and more specifically a LH DH and he hits RHP better than LHP and last year he batted .250,.314 obp, .435 slg% and .749 ops vs RHP.
He'll be facing much less LHP as the LH part of the DH rotation/platoon with Beltran (to help keep his legs ect fresh)....maybe Young and a couple of other RH hitters here and there DHing from the right side.


I've already explained my opinion on this Garrett Jones acquisition and why the Yanks accepted him as part of that trade.
And in case you're wondering how this year's DH spot may stack up vs last year's DH crew - here's what we got from the 2014 DH spot:

12th-Total bases, 12th- BA, 12th- slg%,
12th-ops, 13th- RBI, 14th- OBP


Try and pay attention. Sometimes less is more. lol


Oh, before this thing gets nutty, I don't expect Jones to be the second coming of Reggie Jackson..........I've noticed, gotta keep an eye on you....lol
 
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It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
 
blgridesagain said:
Last- a offensive output of: (.241 .295 .435 .730) from Jones, IS an improvement over Tex's .216 B'avg, but really doesn't impress me at all. I don't get impressed to much over anyone who hits below .300, tho' I'll take a .290 hitter almost any day. In this case, why is anyone excited because Jones can best Tex's .216 mark. While a.241 B'Avg stinks of desperation....!!!

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But you left out a couple of details.
Jones wasn't brought here to replace Tex.
Do the math, he doesn't play 3b,SS,2b,C,CF...he'll see some time in RF and occasionally at 1b unless Tex gets injured.

He was brought over basically for DH and more specifically a LH DH and he hits RHP better than LHP and last year he batted .250,.314 obp, .435 slg% and .749 ops vs RHP.
He'll be facing much less LHP as the LH part of the DH rotation/platoon with Beltran (to help keep his legs ect fresh)....maybe Young and a couple of other RH hitters here and there DHing from the right side.


I've already explained my opinion on this Garrett Jones acquisition and why the Yanks accepted him as part of that trade.
And in case you're wondering how this year's DH spot may stack up vs last year's DH crew - here's what we got from the 2014 DH spot:

12th-Total bases, 12th- BA, 12th- slg%,
12th-ops, 13th- RBI, 14th- OBP


Try and pay attention. Sometimes less is better. lol


Oh, before this thing gets nutty, I don't expect Jones to be the second coming of Reggie Jackson..........I've noticed, gotta keep an eye on you....lol
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I think its great that you have the inside information to know this, especially when most of us are under the opinion that his job here is going to be as much as a back up for Tex as it'll be for a back up at DH.. But like I said, we don't have the MATTER OF FACT knowledge that you have.
 
Rick2583 said:
I think its great that you have the inside information to know this, especially when most of us are under the opinion that his job here is going to be as much as a back up for Tex as it'll be for a back up at DH.. But like I said, we don't have the MATTER OF FACT knowledge that you have.
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Its easy Rick- if I can do it so can you. You have to think like a manager and GM and play the cards you're dealt with....or in some cases,including a couple of wrong ones you may have chosen.....and more importantly recognize the good ones as soon as possible.

Tex will be more than a year removed from his wrist surgery and if I'm the MGR and GM I believe it isn't unreasonable to expect him to put up "good" numbers.......27-30 HRs, at least 85-90 RBI, .245-.255 BA (?).
How many games did/do you expect Jones to play 1b? Half the time? One third?
Twice a week? Tex will probably also be a smaller part of the DH rotation/platoon.
I see Jones playing 1b occasionally (? give me a number) when a RHP is starting while Tex gets a bit of a break as the LH DH when the RHP is starting.
Same probably goes for Jones with Beltran although there may be one of the young players also in the RF equation. And don't forget Pirela or Refsnyder (2b,RF)

The Refsnyder kid just might, perhaps, maybe take your mind away from Prado. lol


Of course if Tex starts the season with a three month funk, or gets injured we'll see more of Jones at 1b otherwise Jones gets much more of his at bats as a DH and more specifically the LH DH. It will come down to health and/or
trying to keep Tex and Beltran fresh through the season....but Jones' job (IMO) is DH....preferably a LH DH...and that is how I believe Girardi and Cashman see it.

My opinion, your opinion, its all good....I enjoy it.
 
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blgridesagain said:
Its easy Rick- if I can do it so can you. You have to think like a manager and GM and play the cards you're dealt with....or in some cases,including a couple of wrong ones you may have chosen.....and more importantly recognize the good ones as soon as possible.

Tex will be more than a year removed from his wrist surgery and if I'm the MGR and GM I believe it isn't unreasonable to expect him to put up "good" numbers.......27-30 HRs, at least 85-90 RBI, .245-.255 BA (?).
How many games did/do you expect Jones to play 1b? Half the time? One third?
Twice a week? Tex will probably also be a smaller part of the DH rotation/platoon.
I see Jones playing 1b occasionally (? give me a number) when a RHP is starting while Tex gets a bit of a break as the LH DH when the RHP is starting.
Same goes for him with Beltran.

Of course if Tex starts the season with a three month funk, or gets injured we'll see more of Jones at 1b otherwise Jones gets much more of his at bats as a DH and more specifically the LH DH. It will come down to health and/or
trying to keep Tex and Beltran fresh through the season....but Jones' job (IMO) is DH....preferably a LH DH...and that is how I believe Girardi and Cashman see it.

My opinion, your opinion, its all good....I enjoy it.
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And A-Rod will be doing what, pitching long relief out of the bull pen?
 
Rick2583 said:
And A-Rod will be doing what, pitching long relief out of the bull pen?
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Well Rick, it's funny you should bring him up.
I believe, excluding any off field stuff, this can go a couple of ways.

He hasn't played in a full year and only 44 games the prior year.
Has had hip problems and wasn't very good, or very bad the last time he DID play.

There has never been any questions about his on field hustle and work ethic.
He isn't quite "40 years old" until the end of July and quite possibly his body may have benefitted from a year of "rest" and I believe this spoiled imperfect large brat also has a ton of pride as a ball player and just enough left to prove "something".

And of course I could be very wrong. This is a thin limb I'm clinging to.

And I realize how and why it's so simple for most to feel that he MUST be washed up and is kaput.
But I have an inkling that you know where I stand on Aroid (lol) and this season.....
....and NO, I'm not expecting 450 ABs or 30 HRs.
I haven't totally lost my mind. lol, thought you might like that.
 
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True Tom but his #s were never as bad as they were last season. And if it does get worse he'll have a tough time signing with any team when his Yankee career is over. I'd say he has a lot to prove this coming season.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I don't think there's any way that Tex doesn't improve over last year but of course he needs to stay healthy....same with Drew because even though he's never been an offensive monster I gotta believe that holding out last year and missing ST hurt him just like it appeared to hurt Kendrys Morales. Drew was abysmal last year offensively and there's no way he'll be that bad this year...I'd be happy with a .250 BA.
...I also see a slight possible uptick for Beltran but he also needs to find a way to stay in the lineup...Gardner has room for improvement as does Ellsbury and McCann.
...I don't see Headley being any better than the numbers he put up with the Yanx last year and that's providing his back doesn't go out on him again...I don't see ARod contributing enough to stay in the line up even if he makes it through ST and is given a roster spot.

...the pitching staff is another subject altogether.
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Agree on Drew, I also believe his hold out and missing ST hurt him.
He'll turn 32 yrs old this month and up until 2013 only a couple yrs ago before last year's wash-out, he averaged .264 BA, .329 OBP, .435 slg% and .764 ops.
He's not a player in his mid-late 30s and still has a good glove and range.
From the start of his career 2006 to 2013 he had 3 seasons with OPS over .800 and 2 seasons of mid-700 OPS. I wouldn't expect him to return to those numbers but these are some of the reasons why I didn't have a major problem if the Yanks brought him back BEFORE the Gregorious trade. And he should be able to take advantage of RF at YS.

As for Headley, when the Yanks were in negotiations with him I said I didn't think he was a "difference maker" in the division.
But he is good if not a prototypical slugging 3b.
I'm beginning to think there's a good chance (if he stays healthy of course) he's going to be better than expected.
He's a career .265 hitter and has a healthy .347 OBP and .756 ops.
With the exception of his big 2012 season, he'll hit about 9-13 HRs.

He gets his hits, gets on base and plays a good 3b but there's another factor.
His home/ away numbers are revealing.
Playing in SD his slash lines were: .249/.335/.376/.711.
However his career road numbers are:
.285 BA, .359 OBP, .440 slg%, .799 ops

I think he'll benefit playing at Yankee Stadium and he's going to help solidify the infield and lineup. I hope he stays healthy, I think the Yanks "bought" a good one. lol
 
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