Coulter Sparks Outrage in Canada

[Denny Crane]

I think she exaggerates overly so, and she's tough to watch and listen to.

Her book on McCarthy was rather spot on, in the details, and also relevant to this discussion.

If it were not for free speech, he would not have been confronted by numerous people during his years in the senate. Though historical documents have proven he was actually right - just not particularly right in how he prosecuted his cases. In other words, he claimed the govt. was infiltrated by soviet spies, and soviet documents from that era that were released after the USSR fell showed the govt. was indeed infiltrated by soviet spies.

For years, when I was growing up, and before those documents were made public, I was told how Richard Nixon was horribly evil for prosecuting the case against Alger Hiss (soviet docs showed Hiss was guilty of it all). The Julius and Ethel Rosenberg was romanticized by hollywood and writers as innocent victims, when those soviet docs showed that they had indeed passed information about the Atomic Bomb to the soviets. Etc.

As well, both John and Robert Kennedy were huge fans of McCarthy, RFK even served as counsel for McCarthy's Senate committee, and McCarthy was made godfather of RFK's first child. JFK did not vote to censure McCarthy (he was absent, but would not have voted for it).

The rest of her books? meh.


EDIT:

FWIW, the whole Human Rights Tribunal thing stinks of McCarthy's subcommittee. But I think you were hinting at that in your previous post.

 

[speeds]

No, her books and comments don't just exhibit exaggeration but outright lies.

She's also been caught plagiarizing.

 

[Denny Crane]

No, her books and comments don't just exhibit exaggeration but outright lies.

She's also been caught plagiarizing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/7/11290/58796

 

[Denny Crane]

And it's odd that I look for what people claim she's lied about and they tend to be rants about other things.

However, I did find this one:

http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2004/03/ann_coulter_the.html

LIE: "With all the subtlety of a Mack truck, Safire called Gibson's movie a version of 'the medieval passion play, preserved in pre-Hitler Germany at Oberammergau, a source of the hatred of all Jews as Christ killers.' (Certainly every Aryan Nation skinhead murderer I've ever met was also a devoted theater buff and 'passion play' aficionado.)"

FACT: Despite Coulter's glaring admission that she associates with "aryan skinhead murderers", she also has a big nose and a long, giraffe neck. With her ratty blonde hair and piercing blue eyes, she looks like a poster girl for the Master Race. In fact, reading her columns reminds me eerily of Mein Kampf. I bet she writes her racist rants in a cellar lined with Nazi flags and iron swastikas.

LIE: "Referring to the passion play as 'pre-Hitler' is a slightly fancier version of every adolescent's favorite argument: You're like Hitler!"

FACT: Ann's a lying whore skank. Everything she says is a lie, because she's a lying liar who only knows hate and anger. Did I mention she has ratty hair and cottage cheese thighs?

(hrmmm.... a few years later, Gibson was arrested for drunk driving and his anti-semitic racist remarks caused quite a stir

Feel free to propose something you feel she's lied about. Like I said, I'm not at all a fan of hers, and I'm certainly open to whatever evidence you might provide.

 

[speeds]

In response, Media Matters decided to investigate each of the endnotes in Godless. We found a plethora of problems.

Among other things, Coulter:

• misrepresented and distorted the statements of her sources;
• omitted information in those sources that refuted the claims in her book;
• misrepresented news coverage to allege bias;
• relied upon outdated and unreliable sources;
• and invented "facts."

http://mediamatters.org/research/200608070002

“The massive Dickey-Lincoln Dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on upper St. John River in Maine, was halted by the discovery of the Furbish lousewort, a plant previously believed to be extinct.”

An article that ran in 1999 in Maine’s Portland-Press Herald contains the following passage:


“The massive Dickey-Lincoln Dam, a $227 million hydroelectric project proposed on upper St. John River, is halted by the discovery of the Furbish lousewort, a plant believed to be extinct.”


...


“As New Hampshire attorney general in 1977, Souter opposed the repeal of an 1848 state law that made abortion a crime even though Roe v. Wade had made it irrelevant, predicting that if the law were repealed, New Hampshire ‘would become the abortion mill of the United States.”’

A Los Angeles Times article from 1990 noted: “In 1977, Souter as state attorney general spoke out against a proposed repeal of an 1848 state law that made abortion a crime — even though the measure had been largely invalidated by the Supreme Court in Roe. vs. Wade ... ‘Quite apart from the fact that I don’t think unlimited abortions ought to be allowed . . . I presume we would become the abortion mill of the United States[.]”’

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13803982/

 

[speeds]

You don't have to go back even a week to catch her saying "all terrorists are Muslims" which isn't an exaggeration but a knowing lie.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sorry, but I don't see that even a handful of similar paragraphs across hundreds of articles means she's a plagarist.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/7/11290/58796

Ann Coulter plagiarism charges overblown
by kos

Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 08:29:00 AM PDT

TPM Muckracker has an itemized list of Ann Coulter's supposed plagiarism, and sorry to say, there's not much there.
Coulter is a lot of things, but it doesn't look like plagiarism is one of them.

Update: Josh Marshall:

To me personally, some of the examples/accusations seem strained -- simply similar statements of the same basic facts. And sometimes there are only so many ways to describe one set of facts. In other cases the similarities of the wording strike me as hard to see as a coincidence. Especially when there seem to be multiple instances of similarities in the same column coming from the same source.

What these examples show is that Coulter is a lazy writer who rips off other people's research, but stealing someone else's arguments isn't "plagiarism". It's just being a lazy, unimaginative writer.

 

[speeds]

Sorry, but I don't see that even a handful of similar paragraphs across hundreds of articles means she's a plagarist.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/7/11290/58796

Ann Coulter plagiarism charges overblown
by kos

Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 08:29:00 AM PDT

TPM Muckracker has an itemized list of Ann Coulter's supposed plagiarism, and sorry to say, there's not much there.
Coulter is a lot of things, but it doesn't look like plagiarism is one of them.

Update: Josh Marshall:

To me personally, some of the examples/accusations seem strained -- simply similar statements of the same basic facts. And sometimes there are only so many ways to describe one set of facts. In other cases the similarities of the wording strike me as hard to see as a coincidence. Especially when there seem to be multiple instances of similarities in the same column coming from the same source.

What these examples show is that Coulter is a lazy writer who rips off other people's research, but stealing someone else's arguments isn't "plagiarism". It's just being a lazy, unimaginative writer.

Yeah, you posted that twice now. The guy that comes to her defence also happens to accuse her of "ripping off other people's research".

 

[speeds]

Barrie, CEO of iParadigms, told The Post that one 25-word passage from the "Godless" chapter titled "The Holiest Sacrament: Abortion" appears to have been lifted nearly word for word from Planned Parenthood literature published at least 18 months before Coulter's 281-page book was released.

A separate, 24-word string from the chapter "The Creation Myth" appeared about a year earlier in the San Francisco Chronicle with just one word change -- "stacked" was changed to "piled."

Another 33-word passage that appears five pages into "Godless" allegedly comes from a 1999 article in the Portland (Maine) Press Herald.

Meanwhile, many of the 344 citations Coulter includes in "Godless" "are very misleading," said Barrie, who holds a Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley, where he specialized in pattern recognition.

"They're used purely to try and give the book a higher level of credibility -- as if it's an academic work. But her sloppiness in failing to properly attribute many other passages strips it of nearly all its academic merits," he told The Post.

Her Aug. 3, 2005, column, "Read My Lips: No New Liberals," about U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter, includes six passages, ranging from 10 to 48 words each, that appeared 15 years earlier in the same order in an L.A. Times article, headlined "Liberals Leery as New Clues Surface on Souter's Views."

But nowhere in that column does she mention the L.A. Times or the story's writer, David G. Savage.

Her June 29, 2005, column, "Thou Shalt Not Commit Religion," incorporates 10 facts on National Endowment for the Arts-funded work that originally appeared in the same order in a 1991 Heritage Foundation report, "The National Endowment for the Arts: Misusing Taxpayers' Money." But again, the Heritage Foundation isn't credited.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200607070004

 

[speeds]

As you know I work at a university which is a hypersensitive environment for plagiarizing. The Kos writer seems to be using a narrow definition of what plagiarism is in order to expose, I dunno, a witch hunt or something regarding Coulter.

Plagiarism doesn't depend on copy-paste verbatim. It is as simple as the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work (dictionary.com).

 

[Denny Crane]

mediamatters is an incredibly biased source. Their mission is to smear anyone who's not a progressive.

DailyKOS is notoriously a left wing blog, yet they seem to be honest about this.

I honestly cannot find a single source where she's said "all terrorists are muslim." I see lots of people saying she said it, though. Did she really say it?

 

[Denny Crane]

Ahhh.. found a quote, still attributed to her but not that I can prove she ever said it:

"All Muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims, the ones we need to worry about anyways".

Interesting what a little extra context adds.

 

[speeds]

Yeah well, Dracula called and... he said he's coming to get you tonight... and I said 'okay.'

 

[RipCity]

Wow, the hypocrisy in this thread is amazing.

I get it now, when a liberal like Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann uses sarcasm it's cool and witty, but when a conservative like Ann Coulter does shes racist and it's hate speech. Makes alot of sense.

And I'm in total agreement with Denny. You cannot silence the opposition just because you don't agree with what they have to say. It's called the Constitution, douchebag liberals everywhere need to start paying attention to it.

 

[Denny Crane]

The law in canada isn't the US Constitution.

When I see things like this, I'm happy to not be a Canadian.

 

[RipCity]

Really? It doesn't like apply to all of North America?

 

[Denny Crane]

It might when the french part splits off from the english part and joins the US.

 

[barfo]

And I'm in total agreement with Denny. You cannot silence the opposition just because you don't agree with what they have to say. It's called the Constitution, douchebag liberals everywhere need to start paying attention to it.

That's actually pretty funny.

When you mention the constitution, are you talking about the Canadian constitution? And if so, why should liberals everywhere need to pay attention to it?

barfo

 

[barfo]

It might when the french part splits off from the english part and joins the US.

Why would the french part want to join the US?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Why would the french part want to join the US?

barfo

Historically, groups of people or nations that split off from the empire don't fare too well.

And since we're becoming like France, they'd feel right at home.

 

[deception]

It might when the french part splits off from the english part and joins the US.

if there something that francophones detest more than canadian anglophones, its americans.

 

[deception]

The law in canada isn't the US Constitution.

When I see things like this, I'm happy to not be a Canadian.

we have: universal health care, better beer, we're peacemakers and have thinner women but if u like healthcare rationed by price, inferior beer, losing your friends and family to unnecessary wars and chubby women than america is your country.

two things have been lost in this discussion: first, no govt official clampdown on ms coulter and prevented her from speaking, no, an university vice president challenged coulter to respect our laws (i.e. charter of rights and freedoms) and respect the student body who were clearly perturbed by her presence on the campus as demonstrated by the 2000 student protesters. also, lest we forget that ms. coulter told a 17 year girl to ride on a carpet, thats despicable and anyone who rallies behind this despicable human being is just as despicable.

 

[Denny Crane]

we have: universal health care, better beer, we're peacemakers and have thinner women but if u like healthcare rationed by price, inferior beer, losing your friends and family to unnecessary wars and chubby women than america is your country.

two things have been lost in this discussion: first, no govt official clampdown on ms coulter and prevented her from speaking, no, an university vice president challenged coulter to respect our laws (i.e. charter of rights and freedoms) and respect the student body who were clearly perturbed by her presence on the campus as demonstrated by the 2000 student protesters. also, lest we forget that ms. coulter told a 17 year girl to ride on a carpet, thats despicable and anyone who rallies behind this despicable human being is just as despicable.

Are you sure she told a 17 year old girl to ride on a carpet?

Or could it be that someone edited a video tape and made it look that way.

 

[deception]

Are you sure she told a 17 year old girl to ride on a carpet?

Or could it be that someone edited a video tape and made it look that way.

every single news agency and a pro coulter crowd in attendance have not challenged the validity of the tape. she's clearly pandering to her xenophobic followers and inflaming any attempt at a responsible debate in the process.

i personally feel muslim extremism is out of control and believe we need to take prudent steps to curtail it particularly in collapsed states like yemen, sudan and somalia where there reach is undeterred but i also understand to win this war on extremism- u need to co-opt the moderates, not shame them into extremist retreat.

 

[Denny Crane]

every single news agency and a pro coulter crowd in attendance have not challenged the validity of the tape. she's clearly pandering to her xenophobic followers and inflaming any attempt at a responsible debate in the process.

i personally feel muslim extremism is out of control and believe we need to take prudent steps to curtail it particularly in collapsed states like yemen, sudan and somalia where there reach is undeterred but i also understand to win this war on extremism- u need to co-opt the moderates, not shame them into extremist retreat.

Every single news agency is using the same video, which was absolutely edited. There were 7 minutes of stuff between the question and what she later said to a heckler in the crowd.

 

[deception]

Every single news agency is using the same video, which was absolutely edited. There were 7 minutes of stuff between the question and what she later said to a heckler in the crowd.

are u kidding me? lets assume your theory is right and the video is edited- why wouldnt any of the pro coulter audience members in the audience, the overwhelming majority or coulter herself come out and challenge the validity of the tape? love coulter or not, something we can all agree on is that coulter never shies away from a camera.

and the heckler asked a question during a Q&A session with ms. coulter. and this cantankerous heckler of yours is a 17 year teenager who attended the university of western ontario.

 

[Denny Crane]

What do you know? Coulter was asked about flying carpets, not the other way around.



And here's CNN's edited version:

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/eyeblast.swf?v=XdkUnzSU6U

 

[deception]

u do understand that saying "take a camel" in that crowd and in our current world climate is tantamount to yelling "fire" in a crowded room. i dont care what context that comment came out in- it was bigoted, insensitive and stupid. if u continue to justify coulter's hateful speech- u are no better.

 

[deception]

and look at this way- how would u feel if your were girls father, brother or boyfriend? wouldnt u be disgusted?

 

[Denny Crane]

You're reaching.

The CNN and unedited videos don't lie.