Courtside Monday Night

[SecretAgentMan]

Barnes and Granger are volume shooters who I like to call chuckers (Crawford), I will always pass on chuckers

 

[crandc]

Can anyone tell more about Mike Malone? Why is he considered top candidate?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Can anyone tell more about Mike Malone? Why is he considered top candidate?

Can't tell you anything but he is widely regarded around NBA circles as one of the top assistant coaches in the NBA. I don't really no why though.....Not to say he shouldn't be considered a top candidate

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

As far as I can tell he has coached under Mike Brown, Don Cheney, Monty Williams and Mark Jackson. Not exactly the greatest coaching tutors to learn from.

 

[craigehlo]

No Doubt...I like George Hill a lot more than Daren Collison......

I like Collison a lot more than Hill. The Pacers traded for him but didn't change their half-court offense at all to play to his strengths.

On Courtside it seemed like everyone is in agreement that Dragic (or Lowrey if the Rockets change their minds) is the logical target however.

 

[Blaze01]

The guys on CSMN are idiots...or just blatant homers...trade for Noah or Joe Johnson? Doubt you could get both of them...and even if you could you would be horrendously capped out on a team that is...I guess a 6th-7th-8th seed if everyone stays healthy? You still don't have a PG...and you used up all your cap space and draft picks to get those 2 guys...even worse (luxury tax land) if you matched a $10/$11 mil contract for Batum....

Joe Johnson is 31 yrs old and has one of THE worst contracts in the NBA, owed $20+ mil each of the next 4 years.....

Noah is Owed $11-$14 mil over the next 4 years....

Add in Aldridge and possibly Batum....What a disaster....

Those guys are idiots for even bringing crap like that up...niether one of those guys is worth the loss of cap space, let alone the draft pick (or multiple!) in this draft that it would take to get them.....

 

[Blaze01]

I like Collison a lot more than Hill. The Pacers traded for him but didn't change their half-court offense at all to play to his strengths.

On Courtside it seemed like everyone is in agreement that Dragic (or Lowrey if the Rockets change their minds) is the logical target however.

Welll 1st, you would have to trade for Collison, meaning you would have to give up a draft pick or players or both.....Where as George Hill is a restricted FA meaning you could pick him up WITHOUT having to give up the precious few assets you have left...That means a lot...

I like George Hill's size and scoring ability better....and unlike those idiots on CSMN...this team BADLY needs more scorers...

INDY has $10mil owed to West, $13mil to Granger and will have to resign both Hibbert and Hill...Chances are an aggressive offer to Hill and they let him go, b\c Hibbert is going to command a big chunk of money ($10mil +?)...Obviously they like Hill better or they wouldn't be offering up Collison...of course they would love to take advantage of POR if they were stupid enough to offer the #6 pick for him.....

 

[RR7]

.of course they would love to take advantage of POR if they were stupid enough to offer the #6 pick for him.....

Nothing like speculating wildly to create a non-situation to be upset with the team about.

 

[Blaze01]

Did they not mention Collison as a player that mgmt has interest in? They did....

They also mentioned they would have to trade for him....

You are not going to get him for Babbitt and Nolan Smith now are you?

So are you going to deal a draft pick? multiple? How about Elliot Williams? Maybe Wes Matthews? Seriosuly, they are going to want something for him, and it isn't going to be peanuts....

This is the same POR team that essentially traded Miller, Rudy, Koponen and the rights to draft Faried for Ray "fatman" Felton....and you have high expectations of them making a good trade now?

 

[RR7]

:MARIS61:

OMG! We're trading the 6 pick for Collison! I am so furious with this team! I hate them so much!! Aaaarrrgghh!!

 

[Blaze01]

Are you serious or just clueless?

Have you not witnessed the totally f'd up moves this team has made of late? The lack of talent on this roster? The fact that the "pseudo GM" and all the CSMN underlings keep touting trading the picks for vets...mind you the vets they mention are not difference makers, and many are vastly overpaid, but they would have POR trade for them anyway....

I can hear the train coming down the track and history tells me it always comes at this time....

Be prepared for some dumbass moves by POR...The ONLY hope is that a new GM comes in and is allowed (or is able to sway Allen) to do things his way....

 

[craigehlo]

of course they would love to take advantage of POR if they were stupid enough to offer the #6 pick for him.....

He had a down year, so I'm wondering if Collison could be had for the #11 pick? Hill is a solid backup, but not a true point IMHO.

I think a lot depends on the final impression that both Hill and Collison make in this series against the Heat. Both have been solid so far, but neither has made a definitive case yet.

 

[Blaze01]

11th pick, maybe...IMO they shouldn't do it....but that would not be as bad as dealing away the #6...Not a fan of Collison at all....Would rather POR keep the assets (cap space and pick) and sign a guy like Dragic who cost them nothing BUT cap space...or George Hill....

 

[BlazerCaravan]

So if the Raptors frontload an offer to him, and it eats up all our cap space this summer, you'd still sign Batum? That means we come away with nothing, we have holes at point guard and center, and no money to fill them. I would rather let him go than pay him 15 million next season, and that would clear another 5 million in cap space, so we could sigh someone like Dragic AND another forward.

No, coming away with nothing means not matching Batum, and then having whatever fanciful PG signing we're hoping for also fall through.

We're entering a FA market with no starting SF, no starting PG, and no starting C (and essentially a sixth-man SG as a starter). We at least have a better than 10% chance of landing a very good SF in this FA market, because we have the ability to match offers on him. Luring a high-quality PG or C here via free agency? Pipe dreams. Laughable pipe dreams.

Draft or trade for them. Use some of your cap space (that has been lessened by not cutting off your nose to spite your face with Batum) in a lop-sided trade. But handwringing over whether you can offer some player a max deal (only to have him literally laugh in your face because you're Portland) is useless.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Collison is not worth a lotto pick.

But I fully expect Chad & Co. to offer something terribly stupid.

 

[MickZagger]

As far as I can tell he has coached under Mike Brown, Don Cheney, Monty Williams and Mark Jackson. Not exactly the greatest coaching tutors to learn from.

I'm sure he's got some of his hoop knowledge from his dad, long-time assistant Brendan Malone.

 

[jlprk]

I'm sure he's got some of his hoop knowledge from his dad, long-time assistant Brendan Malone.

...who got it from Chuck Daly...

 

[MickZagger]

...who got it from Chuck Daly...

You're trippin FAMZ!

 

[jlprk]

Check your manual! It's immoral to trip until the bars close!

Brendan had been an assistant NBA coach before, but I first noticed him under Daly at Detroit.