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barfo said:
What is it in the bill that you think will destroy the country? Is it in the stimulus part or the annual funding part?

barfo
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the annual funding part that happens every year. Trump asked for most of it but it’s the Democrats fault. lol
 
jonnyboy said:
You think it just goes on forever like this? The Federal Reserve act was only signed in 1914. We’ve run up 27T in debt in a little over one hundred years. It won’t last, but enjoy it while it does.
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The "inflation tax" is going to screw everyone. True inflation has been running ~5-8% for several years now (despite what the bogus CPI says with their manipulated numbers).

This is just the beginning of the pain.... Get ready because the US is already beginning to loose the 'Global Reserve' status.
 
julius said:
This country hasn't been out of debt for it's entire existence. This is like the person who said that the Blazer would be moving to Vegas (or maybe it was Seattle, I don't remember) if they traded for Harden.

Maybe don't over-react?
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There's a massive difference between being 'in debt' and 'insolvent'.

There is only one option and that is massive inflation (worse than the '70s). It creates a larger disparity between those with assets (the have's) and those without assets (the have not's). We are already seeing it happen, but no one seems to want to notice...
 
tester551 said:
There's a massive difference between being 'in debt' and 'insolvent'.

There is only one option and that is massive inflation (worse than the '70s). It creates a larger disparity between those with assets (the have's) and those without assets (the have not's). We are already seeing it happen, but no one seems to want to notice...
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We've been taught/told to only care about our own incomes. The rich are getting richer (further insulating themselves, albeit temporarily).
 
julius said:
We've been taught/told to only care about our own incomes. The rich are getting richer (further insulating themselves, albeit temporarily).
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Eventually, it will all collapse under the weight of itself, all that money will have no value, and they will be as poor as everyone else again.
 
jonnyboy said:
Democrats getting off really easy in this thread. Not that I’d really expect anything else here, but I do find it interesting.

Another one of the biggest bi-partisan upward wealth transfers in world history, literal money laundering through foreign countries and ‘non-profit’ (lol) organizations and a nice big “fuck you” for the people whose livelihoods they stole in the short window of a year, and who also happen to be paying for this nightmare.

Anyone who clamored for this less than worthless bill to get signed just sold all our grandchildren’s futures down the river for a $600 bribe. Congratulations.

What is the next carrot on a stick going to be? I can’t fathom anything worse than the outright theft we just witnessed. It is literally nothing short of criminal.
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Right. Earlier this year, you were exhorting Democrats to just agree to anything Republicans demanded in order to get money to people who desperately needed it and, if they didn't, people's financial misery was all on Democrats. Now, with Democrats wanting more money for Americans and Republicans trying to keep the money that average Americans get down because "budget," it's again basically Democrats' fault.

Why do you even bother typing anything other than "I hate Democrats no matter what they do?" All the rest of your typing is inefficient since there's nothing more to it than that single sentiment.
 
jonnyboy said:
That’s quite a gestation period.

When you consider the fact that this country will never be out of debt, like literally never, it’s not even possible at this point, then yes it will affect your grandchildren. And probably their grandchildren too.
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Of course, NOW you guys are worried about the debt.

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Minstrel said:
Right. Earlier this year, you were exhorting Democrats to just agree to anything Republicans demanded in order to get money to people who desperately needed it and, if they didn't, people's financial misery was all on Democrats. Now, with Democrats wanting more money for Americans and Republicans trying to keep the money that average Americans get down because "budget," it's again basically Democrats' fault.

Why do you even bother typing anything other than "I hate Democrats no matter what they do?" All the rest of your typing is inefficient since there's nothing more to it than that single sentiment.
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Minstrel said:
Right. Earlier this year, you were exhorting Democrats to just agree to anything Republicans demanded in order to get money to people who desperately needed it and, if they didn't, people's financial misery was all on Democrats. Now, with Democrats wanting more money for Americans and Republicans trying to keep the money that average Americans get down because "budget," it's again basically Democrats' fault.

Why do you even bother typing anything other than "I hate Democrats no matter what they do?" All the rest of your typing is inefficient since there's nothing more to it than that single sentiment.
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You’re right, I was. I still felt the bill was absolute trash but people needed help and the $1200 was at least something, albeit not enough.

$600 for people in a bill this size is an embarrassment. It’s beyond insulting.

And also, I never once claimed this bill was solely Democrats fault. I suggested that they hold some culpability as well, and they do. No need to so get defensive.
 
jonnyboy said:
You’re right, I was. I still felt the bill was absolute trash but people needed help and the $1200 was at least something, albeit not enough.

$600 for people in a bill this size is an embarrassment. It’s beyond insulting.
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Yet, Democrats want to increase that, Republicans are the ones preventing that and who's the party you call out? Democrats.

And, for the record, I completely agree with you that $600 is a complete insult. I've posted to that effect before. If only we knew which party was keeping that dollar value down.

And also, I never once claimed this bill was solely Democrats fault. I suggested that they hold some culpability as well, and they do. No need to so get defensive.
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I'm not defensive. I don't particularly care whether you like Democrats or not. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy (explained again above) and wondering why you pretend your takes are anything beyond "I hate Democrats." Even when they either agree with you, or are the party closest to what you're saying, you still try to figure out how the Democrats are to blame.
 
The increase to $2000 passed the house. Wonder if it will pass the senate. Going to have a big impact on the senate elections in Georgia in a few days
 
twobullz said:
The increase to $2000 passed the house. Wonder if it will pass the senate. Going to have a big impact on the senate elections in Georgia in a few days
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It won't have any impact on the election. Conservative voters who vote mostly on the day of election are just going to blame the dems and vote for the gop candidates. The dems votes have already largely been cast in early voting prior to the bill.
 
twobullz said:
The increase to $2000 passed the house. Wonder if it will pass the senate.
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Nope. Republicans control the Senate and they're adamantly opposed to any increase.
 
jonnyboy said:
Democrats getting off really easy in this thread. Not that I’d really expect anything else here, but I do find it interesting.

Another one of the biggest bi-partisan upward wealth transfers in world history, literal money laundering through foreign countries and ‘non-profit’ (lol) organizations and a nice big “fuck you” for the people whose livelihoods they stole in the short window of a year, and who also happen to be paying for this nightmare.

Anyone who clamored for this less than worthless bill to get signed just sold all our grandchildren’s futures down the river for a $600 bribe. Congratulations.

What is the next carrot on a stick going to be? I can’t fathom anything worse than the outright theft we just witnessed. It is literally nothing short of criminal.
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Wake up, wake up, you're having a nightmare.
 
The main frustration for ME personally, is I dont get any of this money. Which in general I agree with - no question, give to those in need first. But they base it off of 2019 or 2018? not sure. And in those two years I did well. 2020 has been a SHIT SHOW for me and my family. So the reason for this stimulus is the year 2020 and the virus, but i am being treated like its a virus free 2019 or 2018, whichever it is. I havent dug into this to see if this is still the case, but I think it is. Not everyone makes the same amount of money or has the same job every year for their entire lives.
 
calvin natt said:
The main frustration for ME personally, is I dont get any of this money. Which in general I agree with - no question, give to those in need first. But they base it off of 2019 or 2018? not sure. And in those two years I did well. 2020 has been a SHIT SHOW for me and my family. So the reason for this stimulus is the year 2020 and the virus, but i am being treated like its a virus free 2019 or 2018, whichever it is. I havent dug into this to see if this is still the case, but I think it is. Not everyone makes the same amount of money or has the same job every year for their entire lives.
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Why won't you get it? You made more than $75,000 in 2019?
 
Chris Craig said:
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Why won't you get it? You made more than $75,000 in 2019?
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The stimulus is based off income, and also if single, married, with kids etc. I just don’t meet any threshold. But doesn’t mean I couldn’t use the money.
 
calvin natt said:
The stimulus is based off income, and also if single, married, with kids etc. I just don’t meet any threshold. But doesn’t mean I couldn’t use the money.
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They put too much effort into trying to make sure someone, who they think doesn't need it, won't get it. It ends up hurting a lot of people in the grey area, when who really cares is Jeff Bezos gets a few extra bucks he won't need?
 
Moscow Mitch says there is no path to the senate floor for the increase form $600 to $2000 stimulus payments. He is attaching Trumps demand of the repeal of section 230 to it so it is dead on arrival. Once again Mitch puts Trump ahead of the people of this country. How does he keep getting voted in?
 
twobullz said:
Moscow Mitch says there is no path to the senate floor for the increase form $600 to $2000 stimulus payments. He is attaching Trumps demand of the repeal of section 230 to it so it is dead on arrival. Once again Mitch puts Trump ahead of the people of this country. How does he keep getting voted in?
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Have you been to Kentucky?
 
ehizzy3 said:
That is because A LOT of people made up fake businesses and scammed for the PPE loans. The IRS and feds need to go after all the scammers. They took advantage of that money that was meant for legit small businesses.

I hope they get all the punishment
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I hope the scammers are the ones they go after. The IRS is kind of a shit show.
 
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