CP3 vs. Tony Parker

[Idog1976]

Fair enough. I think that Parker was worn down by playing during the summer with Batum. Having a summer off, I think that he will be fine. We'll see if he gets all the way back. I like Parker more than Miller, so I don't mind trading pieces (anyone outside of our top 4) for him. My first choice is to get CP3. I do think our legitimate shot at a Championship goes through a recovered and completely healthy GO, but we knew that GO was our shot when we drafted him, unfortunately injuries have happened.

Fixed for you.

 

[blazerboy30]

Fair enough. I think that Parker was worn down by playing during the summer with Batum. Having a summer off, I think that he will be fine. We'll see if he gets all the way back. I like Parker more than Miller, so I don't mind trading pieces (anyone outside of our top 4) for him.

Well, I would definitely be on board for getting Parker if we could keep our top 4 (assuming you mean Roy, LMA, Batum and Oden). That would be a no-brainer.

Keeping Roy, LMA and Oden while giving up Batum for CP3 is a no-brainer.

I just think the second no-brainer is an even no-brainier no-brainer than the first no-brainer.

 

[GODunk]

Well, I would definitely be on board for getting Parker if we could keep our top 4 (assuming you mean Roy, LMA, Batum and Oden). That would be a no-brainer.

Keeping Roy, LMA and Oden while giving up Batum for CP3 is a no-brainer.

I just think the second no-brainer is an even no-brainier no-brainer than the first no-brainer.

Man if we could get CP3 and just give up Batum, I will be so happy. This summer would be awesome.

 

[OddEnormous]

Well, maybe you shouldn't hang out on the team message boards where everyone has conversations about things that will never happen. I don't think we will get CP3, so I guess we shouldn't talk about it.

Jesus christ you big girl, I misinterpreted your post. Not sure it's something to throw your undies around the room about. You might also notice the majority of threads are INDEED about things that have happened.

I think you'll find my interest in "Hey guys what about this trade idea." threads is somewhere around nil.

As far as this thread goes, talking about completing a trade that already almost happened once is nowhere near your "what if then what if" "proposal."

Nobody on here thinks Roy is shipping out in any way shape or form due to CP but carry on with your "interesting" idea.

Here's one for you. Who's the better combo: Paul Molitor and Greg Oden or Robin Yount and Chris Paul.

Really makes you think huh?

 

[GODunk]

Jesus christ you big girl, I misinterpreted your post. Not sure it's something to throw your undies around the room about. You might also notice the majority of threads are INDEED about things that have happened.

I think you'll find my interest in "Hey guys what about this trade idea." threads is somewhere around nil.

As far as this thread goes, talking about completing a trade that already almost happened once is nowhere near your "what if then what if" "proposal."

Nobody on here thinks Roy is shipping out in any way shape or form due to CP but carry on with your "interesting" idea.

Here's one for you. Who's the better combo: Paul Molitor and Greg Oden or Robin Yount and Chris Paul.

Really makes you think huh?

First of all, I will disregard the name calling. You could have said, sorry, I misinterpreted your post to begin with rather than, "maybe I was confused why someone would want to have a long conversation about something that will never happen."

The original poster said in regards to bringing in TP that people are forgetting superstars win championships. I interpreted that to mean TP was worthless to bring in because he is not a superstar. I basically put forth that Roy is on the team. I consider Roy to be just under superstar level. If he was on an East Coast team folks may already have elevated him to that status.

IMO, Roy with TP, Batum, LMA, and Oden as supporting cast is a pretty good 5.

The only reason I brought up shipping Roy out was to make the point, if superstars win championships and Roy isn't a superstar than you have to make Roy an asset that can be moved in order to secure a superstar.

What about this thought process equals long conversation about something that will never happen? Honestly I think blowing me off and calling me a little girl is a little over-reactive, but you go ahead and portray whatever maturity level you choose, I'm here just to talk basketball.

 

[Masbee]

The only reason I brought up shipping Roy out was to make the point, if superstars win championships and Roy isn't a superstar than you have to make Roy an asset that can be moved in order to secure a superstar.

Except for one problem - kind of a big one too:

Said superstar himself has already mentioned that he wouldn't want to go to Portland if Roy had to be traded for him.

Paul said, "what's the point". Paul wants to be on a superteam. He wants to win. You trade him for Batum and cap relief and eating nasty contracts - fine. He could be on board coming to Portland. You trade him for Roy and he refuses to sign an extension.

Whats the point?

 

[GODunk]

Except for one problem - kind of a big one too:

Said superstar himself has already mentioned that he wouldn't want to go to Portland if Roy had to be traded for him.

Paul said, "what's the point". Paul wants to be on a superteam. He wants to win. You trade him for Batum and cap relief and eating nasty contracts - fine. He could be on board coming to Portland. You trade him for Roy and he refuses to sign an extension.

Whats the point?

Well, just to clarify, I am not talking about trading Roy for CP3, just saying if fans don't think Roy is a superstar and you have to have a superstar to win a championship than you have to entertain the thought of trading Roy to get a superstar. If you were going to trade Roy for a superstar than it wouldn't just be Paul you are considering.

You know, just forget the Roy thing. I was making a point. Personally I like Roy as much as I like Paul Pierce, is he a superstar? I like Roy as much as Carmello Anthony, is he a superstar? I think Roy is only a little below Wade. In fact, I don't know that I would trade Roy for Wade straight up, but then I am a homer.

I still think Oden has the chance of being a big deal. I think that if you pick up TP for bit players, you still give yourself a chance at a championship with that roster.

 

[OddEnormous]

What about this thought process equals long conversation about something that will never happen?

Have you seen your posts?

Anyway, I've already admitted I was throughly confused by the first post I responded to. I still am to be honest. Roy does not and never has to be a piece in the Chris Paul coming to Portland puzzle.

I'll never ever ever understand what it is your saying or what the point of it is I guess.

Carry on.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Something from Chad Ford's Free Agents of '11 article (Insider): http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=TopFreeAgents2011

2. Tony Parker, PG, Spurs
After dominating the league for so long, Parker had a bit of an off year. Injuries were part of the problem, and he played fewer minutes thanks to the emergence of George Hill. The Spurs have explored potential deals for Parker but he has been pretty clear he'd prefer to stay in San Antonio for one more year and then explore his options. He, too, has been eyeing the Knicks and could be a player the Spurs lose next summer if they don't trade him now.

 

[OddEnormous]

Well, just to clarify, I am not talking about trading Roy for CP3, just saying if fans don't think Roy is a superstar and you have to have a superstar to win a championship than you have to entertain the thought of trading Roy to get a superstar.

The trades we're all discussing prove this to be 100% false though. That's why I can't for the life of me figure out what the point you are trying to make is.

OK how about this. I as a poster on this internet forum would entertain offers for Brandon Roy. There's probably only 15 players better than him on the planet. If you asked if I wanted to trade him for one, I would "entertain" it.

Have you won now or something? Have I? Does this mean I've just completed a trade? Are we closer to a championship now?

 

[Idog1976]

First of all, I will disregard the name calling. You could have said, sorry, I misinterpreted your post to begin with rather than, "maybe I was confused why someone would want to have a long conversation about something that will never happen."

The original poster said in regards to bringing in TP that people are forgetting superstars win championships. I interpreted that to mean TP was worthless to bring in because he is not a superstar. I basically put forth that Roy is on the team. I consider Roy to be just under superstar level. If he was on an East Coast team folks may already have elevated him to that status.

IMO, Roy with TP, Batum, LMA, and Oden as supporting cast is a pretty good 5.

The only reason I brought up shipping Roy out was to make the point, if superstars win championships and Roy isn't a superstar than you have to make Roy an asset that can be moved in order to secure a superstar.

What about this thought process equals long conversation about something that will never happen? Honestly I think blowing me off and calling me a little girl is a little over-reactive, but you go ahead and portray whatever maturity level you choose, I'm here just to talk basketball.

Some people have to insult others rather then debate basketball. It's annoying, but I try and ignore it. Just because someone says something I WILDLY disagree with I usually don't stop reading them or resort to name calling. I do have a couple of people blocked though because they are just so damn negative my eyeballs bleed.

 

[Idog1976]

Well, just to clarify, I am not talking about trading Roy for CP3, just saying if fans don't think Roy is a superstar and you have to have a superstar to win a championship than you have to entertain the thought of trading Roy to get a superstar. If you were going to trade Roy for a superstar than it wouldn't just be Paul you are considering.

You know, just forget the Roy thing. I was making a point. Personally I like Roy as much as I like Paul Pierce, is he a superstar? I like Roy as much as Carmello Anthony, is he a superstar? I think Roy is only a little below Wade. In fact, I don't know that I would trade Roy for Wade straight up, but then I am a homer.

I still think Oden has the chance of being a big deal. I think that if you pick up TP for bit players, you still give yourself a chance at a championship with that roster.

I agree with that and repped for effort and grace under fire in the thread.

 

[OddEnormous]

I agree with that and repped for effort and grace under fire in the thread.

I do too to be honest.

Just confused by the other part. (Not to belabor)

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Just confused by the other part.

you strike me as being perpetually confused..

 

[OddEnormous]

you strike me as being perpetually confused..

What are some other things I've been confused about?

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

What are some other things I've been confused about?

there you go, being all confused again..

 

[GODunk]

The trades we're all discussing prove this to be 100% false though. That's why I can't for the life of me figure out what the point you are trying to make is.

OK how about this. I as a poster on this internet forum would entertain offers for Brandon Roy. There's probably only 15 players better than him on the planet. If you asked if I wanted to trade him for one, I would "entertain" it.

Have you won now or something? Have I? Does this mean I've just completed a trade? Are we closer to a championship now?

Well, my posts are probably not the most well-written, I will give that to you. I am not looking for anyone to admit that they are willing to trade Roy.

Maybe you didn't read the post I responded to. My interprtation of their point is: "Trading bit pieces for TP is useless since he is not a superstar and everyone knows superstars win championships."

The point I was trying to make was TP with our current top 4 (Roy, Batum, LMA, and Oden) may be a good enough lineup to put us over the top with Roy being our superstar and Oden being injury free.

The secondary point was: "If you don't consider Roy a superstar, than by the reasoning that it takes superstars to win championships (which I don't necessarily ascribe to because I think if Roy led us to a championship, it would in turn elevate him to a bonafide superstar - but I digress), so if Roy isn't a superstar in that posters mind, then you shouldn't have a problem trading him for the 9-15 guys that are supposed to better than him".

If that didn't clarify what I was trying to say, than I am sorry. Seriously I am, I could be going brain dead or living in an alternate universe, my house is hot so I don't know...

I don't hang out on message boards becuase of the trolls, but when I do, this place rocks...

PS - Sorry for the confusion...

 

[OddEnormous]

Well, my posts are probably not the most well-written, I will give that to you. I am not looking for anyone to admit that they are willing to trade Roy.

Maybe you didn't read the post I responded to. My interprtation of their point is: "Trading bit pieces for TP is useless since he is not a superstar and everyone knows superstars win championships."

The point I was trying to make was TP with our current top 4 (Roy, Batum, LMA, and Oden) may be a good enough lineup to put us over the top with Roy being our superstar and Oden being injury free.

The secondary point was: "If you don't consider Roy a superstar, than by the reasoning that it takes superstars to win championships (which I don't necessarily ascribe to because I think if Roy led us to a championship, it would in turn elevate him to a bonafide superstar - but I digress), so if Roy isn't a superstar in that posters mind, then you shouldn't have a problem trading him for the 9-15 guys that are supposed to better than him".

If that didn't clarify what I was trying to say, than I am sorry. Seriously I am, I could be going brain dead or living in an alternate universe, my house is hot so I don't know...

I don't hang out on message boards becuase of the trolls, but when I do, this place rocks...

PS - Sorry for the confusion...

It gets us close I agree.

I want to give you a hug to be honest.

 

[blazerboy30]

Maybe you didn't read the post I responded to. My interprtation of their point is: "Trading bit pieces for TP is useless since he is not a superstar and everyone knows superstars win championships."

Are you referring to where you quoted me? If so, I never claimed that "trading bit pieces for TP is useless". I claimed that TP+Batum (2 good players) is not as desirable as CP3 (an absolute superstar).

 

[GODunk]

Are you referring to where you quoted me? If so, I never claimed that "trading bit pieces for TP is useless". I claimed that TP+Batum (2 good players) is not as desirable as CP3 (an absolute superstar).

Which is why I said, that is how I interpretted it. Isn't that how a forum works? You hadn't clarified that you meant something else. So, that is how I took it. With above being your clarification, I agree that TP and Batum isn't as desirable as CP3.

My feeling is that I would rather get TP, if he doesn't cost us Batum or Oden, than getting CP3 if he costs us both Oden and Batum - just for clarification I said both Oden and Batum going to NO in the same trade for Chris Paul.

BTW - didn't mean to interpret the intent of your post...

 

[blazerboy30]

Which is why I said, that is how I interpretted it. Isn't that how a forum works? You hadn't clarified that you meant something else. So, that is how I took it. With above being your clarification, I agree that TP and Batum isn't as desirable as CP3.

Strange that you misinterpreted

Without a doubt you take CP3 over Batum and TP.

To mean "trading bit pieces for TP is useless".

But it's all good.

 

[GODunk]

Strange that you misinterpreted

To mean "trading bit pieces for TP is useless".

But it's all good.

Well, it wasn't just that little part of your quote I was referring to, here is your original post:
"It seems that too many posters here have forgotten the superstars are what win in this league. NOT a bunch of good players. Batum and TP are good players. CP3 is a GREAT player and a superstar. Without a doubt you take CP3 over Batum and TP. It isn't close, and I'm a HUGE Batum fan"

The part about "superstars are what win in this league". My point of clarification for you was whether or not you considered Roy a superstar. If he is than you can bring in TP, keep Batum, LMA, and Oden and see if it gets you to the promised land. It doesn't always take two bonafide superstars to get you there. A lot of times you can get away with one superstar and a couple players that are close to all-star level.

I think if Roy gets us to the WCF he may be elevated to "Superstar".

But, like you said, it's all good. If we get CP3, you and I will both will be watching many great playoff series and toasting Blazer fans all over the world...

 

[inconceivable]

Parker for Andre/Joel

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23lpawl

your thoughts??

 

[PHXBlazer1]

You two should get a room.

 

[MrJayremmie]

CP3 without Batum (easily IMO).