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I have no doubt that we have already been on the phone with NO and are making every reasonable effort to get CP3.
IN CHO/CHAD/MIKE/LARRY I TRUST!
 
EGame said:
But he has the power to not resign with us and basically be a rental as we just gutted our team for him. I think he would like Portland if he played here, but it is a possiblity he bolts for a big market or something like that.
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He has two years left on his contract. If the Blazers turn into a contender with him on the team, why would he want to leave the certainty of a championship contender for the uncertainty of another team? That's a risk I think most are willing to take.
 
If he's really "all about winning" he shouldn't want anything to do with New York. Now, if he's serious about competing for a title and teaming up with star players that would complement his style and get more than enough adoration from the fans AND get paid well to do it... Portland is where it's at. If he only knew that.

If he's serious about teaming up with Amar'e and Carmello in a few years, I wouldn't bother with this trade unless it's just too good. Meaning we keep Roy, Oden, LA and Batum. A two year rental of Chris Paul would be worth Miller, Przybilla, Bayless, Fernandez and any other filler material. Very tempting...
 
The key word for every Blazer fan to hang onto in this rumor is "preferred." As in, "I prefer steak, but you know that prime rib looks good enough for me."

I think this is almost as much up to Roy as it is Cho. Roy has got to get on the phone and sell Paul hard on the wonders of playing in the Northwest.
 
B-Roy said:
He has two years left on his contract. If the Blazers turn into a contender with him on the team, why would he want to leave the certainty of a championship contender for the uncertainty of another team? That's a risk I think most are willing to take.
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Minus 1 due to lockout.

I am not saying one way or the other, I am saying it is a possibility especially since we were not listed. Like I said he could like Portland and realize he has a great chance to win, but at this point, I don't if it is worth it if he has it in his mind to play for one of those teams listed regardless of how well he did in Portland. About the only thing to change his mind is if we won the championship this upcoming season, which I think is possible with him, but no certainty.
 
EGame said:
Minus 1 due to lockout.

I am not saying one way or the other, I am saying it is a possibility especially since we were not listed. Like I said he could like Portland and realize he has a great chance to win, but at this point, I don't if it is worth it if he has it in his mind to play for one of those teams listed regardless of how well he did in Portland. About the only thing to change his mind if we won the championship this upcoming season, which I think possibly with him, but no certainty.
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Assuming there is a lockout.

And if Paul is supposedly "all about winning", you take the gamble that he turns your team into a contender, which would lead to him resigning. Just my opinion.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I didn't take the time to see what the Knicks, Magic and Lakers could offer, but this might be "fair" or at least best whatever else anybody might be offering.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26fnb9g
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I like it.... I would try to deal for just Paul though. Maybe offer something like this.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2efujr7

And then I would try to turn around and deal Miller for a small forward or a backup two, because Matthews will be starting in all likelihood.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25tjryv

Paul/Johnson/Mills
Roy/Matthews/Williams
Battier/Babbitt
Aldridge/Cunningham/Pendergraph
Oden/Camby
 
mook said:
The key word for every Blazer fan to hang onto in this rumor is "preferred." As in, "I prefer steak, but you know that prime rib looks good enough for me."

I think this is almost as much up to Roy as it is Cho. Roy has got to get on the phone and sell Paul hard on the wonders of playing in the Northwest.
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That is not quite how it works in the NBA. The bigger markets, being the steaks, are always going to be attractive and will also get the max free agents. The small markets will not sign the max free agents, usually, and are generally not preferred for superstars like Paul unless there is near certainty that small market is on the verge of winning a title. It is very possible we could win with Paul and a healthy squad, but we have to stay healthy and I don't know just how high the certainty is. This is why the NBA is not all that fun because small markets generally get the stars through the draft and that is usually it.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I didn't take the time to see what the Knicks, Magic and Lakers could offer, but this might be "fair" or at least best whatever else anybody might be offering.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=26fnb9g
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This is the MOST we could offer without involving redundancy (LMA) too many pieces for their roster (You could throw in Dante and Pendy) or involving a third team:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25y6fz3


Portland Out:

JPEC
Miller
Bayless
Rudy
Batum
Camby

Portland In:

Okafor
Posey
CP3

Result for NOH:

It saves NOH Mega bank gives them a legit center in Camby for two years, a stud at the wing in Batum, a shooter in Rudy and combo guard in Bayless to either start or back up Rudy and Miller/Collison

PG: Miller/Collison/Bayless
SG: Rudy/Bayless
SF: Batum/Corpse of Peja
PF: West
C: Camby/eventually JPEC

Result for Portland:


PG: Paul/Johnson/Mills
SG: Roy/Matthews/Williams
SF: Matthews/Babbit/Dante/Posey
PF: LMA/Okafor/Pendergraph/Dante
C: Oden/Okafor/ Ekwebe? some other scrub?

That looks mighty fucking tasty to me and talk about a consolidation trade!

Oh you could throw in $3 million draft picks, rights to Euros etc. You could throw in Dante and Pendy for that Matter or Elliot Williams or one of the other rookies.

Hell throw in a few Gyros from Big Bertha's or that Deli in the shell of Mall 205 damn that stuff is tasty!
 
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I love it when players say they will only play for certain teams. Unless yuor named Kobe, Wade, Dwight or LeBron, you ain't good enough to.

Plus, just how the hell are the lakers going to get him?
 
B-Roy said:
Assuming there is a lockout.

And if Paul is supposedly "all about winning", you take the gamble that he turns your team into a contender, which would lead to him resigning. Just my opinion.
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I would hope so, and you could be right. I am just saying if he has it in his mind to go to one of those three teams, then it makes it hard to retain him unless we made it very far in the playoffs/championship/won it all. Otherwise, if we were hypothetically one and done again, I don't like our chances to retain him.
 
B-Roy said:
He has two years left on his contract. If the Blazers turn into a contender with him on the team, why would he want to leave the certainty of a championship contender for the uncertainty of another team? That's a risk I think most are willing to take.
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Plus PA could lock him up forever. Also he could sign a max extension right? Paul Allen would probably sell the Octopus for a guaranteed Finals meeting with DWade etc. at this point in his life.
 
Portland needs to be selling the headache angle. Give them good value for CP3, and convince the that they would be better off with him being our headache.
 
Idog1976 said:
/End NBA fandom

I'd start watching the WNBA if that went down and possibly kamikaze myself into Stern for the good of the sport.
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Orrrrr you could keep making your videos in protest of the Evil NBA Empire.
 
I'll take a swing at a Chris Paul Extravaganza Deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2c4wwhf

Why Portland does it: Duh.

Why New Orleans does it: Trims a ton of salary, getting back two large expiring contracts. In addition three good/useful players who are relatively inexpensive.

Why Oklahoma City does it: They get the talented big man they need to balance out their roster. Fernandez is largely salary filler, but he could be a decent temporary solution for them at starting shooting guard if he gets his game back together a bit.

Basically, I want the main value asset Portland sends out for Paul to be Aldridge. He can't be sent directly to New Orleans because he's a fabulous mismatch for their needs: expensive and is very similar to a player they already have. So I tried to set up a three-way deal where Aldridge could be sent to the third team and the third team would have some solid, inexpensive pieces to give New Orleans (with Portland kicking in the expiring deals). Oklahoma City is really the only team that even comes close to needing Aldridge and having cheap, young assets. I'm not thrilled with making Oklahoma City better (as I think this deal does), but if Portland gets Paul while keeping Roy, Oden and Batum...I'll live with it.

Probably still not enough for New Orleans, but well...not much should be enough for Paul. The premise that Paul could even be acquirable rests on New Orleans being willing to accept a talent downgrade in order to shed a lot of salary. And this does that.
 
Minstrel said:
I'll take a swing at a Chris Paul Extravaganza Deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2c4wwhf

Why Portland does it: Duh.

Why New Orleans does it: Trims a ton of salary, getting back two large expiring contracts. In addition three good/useful players who are relatively inexpensive.

Why Oklahoma City does it: They get the talented big man they need to balance out their roster. Fernandez is largely salary filler, but he could be a decent temporary solution for them at starting shooting guard if he gets his game back together a bit.

Basically, I want the main value asset Portland sends out for Paul to be Aldridge. He can't be sent directly to New Orleans because he's a fabulous mismatch for their needs: expensive and is very similar to a player they already have. So I tried to set up a three-way deal where Aldridge could be sent to the third team and the third team would have some solid, inexpensive pieces to give New Orleans (with Portland kicking in the expiring deals). Oklahoma City is really the only team that even comes close to needing Aldridge and having cheap, young assets. I'm not thrilled with making Oklahoma City better (as I think this deal does), but if Portland gets Paul while keeping Roy, Oden and Batum...I'll live with it.

Probably still not enough for New Orleans, but well...not much should be enough for Paul. The premise that Paul could even be acquirable rests on New Orleans being willing to accept a talent downgrade in order to shed a lot of salary. And this does that.
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That seems like a lot for OKC to give up. I'm not really an expert on that team, but I thought they were pretty high on Ibaka, and Green is solid too. Harden seemed like a disappointment in his rookie season, but he might improve.
 
Minstrel said:
I'll take a swing at a Chris Paul Extravaganza Deal.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2c4wwhf

Why Portland does it: Duh.

Why New Orleans does it: Trims a ton of salary, getting back two large expiring contracts. In addition three good/useful players who are relatively inexpensive.

Why Oklahoma City does it: They get the talented big man they need to balance out their roster. Fernandez is largely salary filler, but he could be a decent temporary solution for them at starting shooting guard if he gets his game back together a bit.

Basically, I want the main value asset Portland sends out for Paul to be Aldridge. He can't be sent directly to New Orleans because he's a fabulous mismatch for their needs: expensive and is very similar to a player they already have. So I tried to set up a three-way deal where Aldridge could be sent to the third team and the third team would have some solid, inexpensive pieces to give New Orleans (with Portland kicking in the expiring deals). Oklahoma City is really the only team that even comes close to needing Aldridge and having cheap, young assets. I'm not thrilled with making Oklahoma City better (as I think this deal does), but if Portland gets Paul while keeping Roy, Oden and Batum...I'll live with it.

Probably still not enough for New Orleans, but well...not much should be enough for Paul. The premise that Paul could even be acquirable rests on New Orleans being willing to accept a talent downgrade in order to shed a lot of salary. And this does that.
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OKC would be signing their western conference death warrant with this trade, it leaves us thin at the 4 or with Okafor/Oden not good. Perhaps LMA to NJN for mega trade exception + Favors? Send Favors on to NOH with filler, not sure that gets it done, I just think you want to look on the East Coast for a third trade partner. Anyone on the left coast would be fools to facilitate Paul to the Blazers IMO.
 
Idog1976 said:
OKC would be signing their western conference death warrant with this trade, it leaves us thin at the 4 or with Okafor/Oden not good. Perhaps LMA to NJN for mega trade exception + Favors? Send Favors on to NOH with filler, not sure that gets it done, I just think you want to look on the East Coast for a third trade partner. Anyone on the left coast would be fools to facilitate Paul to the Blazers IMO.
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They would be bigger fools to facilitate a trade to LA, but then again it wouldn't be the first time Shinn sent his best player to the Lakers. Of coures, Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell ended up being better than Glen Rice after that trade.
 
EGame said:
Minus 1 due to lockout.

I am not saying one way or the other, I am saying it is a possibility especially since we were not listed. Like I said he could like Portland and realize he has a great chance to win, but at this point, I don't if it is worth it if he has it in his mind to play for one of those teams listed regardless of how well he did in Portland. About the only thing to change his mind is if we won the championship this upcoming season, which I think is possible with him, but no certainty.
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If the owners actually go for the lockout it could actually be a big help in us keeping Paul if he was traded here, they want to reduce salaries and the number of years players can sign for making CP3's ~18mil player option final year more appealing for him to keep. And after this crazy offseason of FA moves I wouldn't be surprised if the owners wanted to place bigger restrictions on free agency, before the last CBA update there was a loophole that ended up allowing the Warriors to lose Arenas to Washington and the owners ended up pushing for and eventually closing that loophole. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the medium/small market owners push to get a whole new kind of restricted free agency extended to everyone to avoid seeing homegrown superstars in mass exodus to try and form super-squads to compete with the Heat etc.
 
Idog1976 said:
OKC would be signing their western conference death warrant with this trade, it leaves us thin at the 4 or with Okafor/Oden not good. Perhaps LMA to NJN for mega trade exception + Favors? Send Favors on to NOH with filler, not sure that gets it done, I just think you want to look on the East Coast for a third trade partner. Anyone on the left coast would be fools to facilitate Paul to the Blazers IMO.
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To completely contradict myself you could try and coax GSW into this trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22snngk

Why GSW do this trade: Monta Ellis done messed up (moped) and they would get a great PG to run the break in Miller, a fast breaking SG to finish with the three or a fancy pass in Rudy and a solid combo guard who I imagine would be great in the break in Bayless. They also get two decent forwards out of the deal.

Why NOH does this deal, they get Monta Ellis and Batum which is pretty decent value for CP3 along with MASSIVE cap relief, a legit center in Camby and immediate cap relief in Joel's insurance with a chance that he might be an asset down the line.

Portland ends up with:


PG: Paul/Johnson/Mills
SG: Roy/Matthews/Williams
SF: Matthews/Babbit/Posey
PF: LMA/Okafor/scrub
C: Oden/Okafor/ Ekwebe? some other scrub?

Again looks mighty damn tasty to me. We could also throw in Williams, picks, $3 million and the rights to some Euros as well.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They would be bigger fools to facilitate a trade to LA, but then again it wouldn't be the first time Shinn sent his best player to the Lakers. Of coures, Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell ended up being better than Glen Rice after that trade.
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Well obviously, but help me to block out the devil idea of the Lakers getting CP3 from my mind please and never mention it again. By the way I contradicted myself with my next trade idea in true Idog1976 flip-flopping bitch fashion. :D
 
Well I am willing to take the risk on Paul, I am still a little scared he would bolt if he has the chance to. I do think we have better assets then those 3 teams mentioned and if we had to we could include Oden, though, I don't know if we would.
 
Idog1976 said:
Well obviously, but help me to block out the devil idea of the Lakers getting CP3 from my mind please and never mention it again. By the way I contradicted myself with my next trade idea in true Idog1976 flip-flopping bitch fashion. :D
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Another variant sends LMA to GSW:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=276p96r

GSW do it because they get LMA for peanuts and can shut the fuck up.

NOH gets truly absurd cap relief from JPEC immediately from insurance, V. Radmonovic in a year and Camby in two years. You could also give them Miller instead of JPEC if they want training wheels for Collison. They get a legit Center in Camby a great young 2 guard in Ellis to pair with Collison and tons and tons and boat load of Salary relief.

Portland ends up with:


PG: Paul/Johnson/Mills
SG: Roy/Matthews/Williams
SF: Batum/Matthews/Babbit/Posey
PF: Okafor/Pendy/scrub
C: Oden/Okafor/ Ekwebe? some other scrub?

I'm not a fan of Okafor and Oden, but LOVE keeping Batum.
 
EGame said:
Well I am willing to take the risk on Paul, I am still a little scared he would bolt if he has the chance to. I do think we have better assets then those 3 teams mentioned and if we had to we could include Oden, though, I don't know if we would.
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:tsktsk:

:sigh:

:crazy:
 
Natebishop3 said:
That seems like a lot for OKC to give up. I'm not really an expert on that team, but I thought they were pretty high on Ibaka, and Green is solid too. Harden seemed like a disappointment in his rookie season, but he might improve.
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Hmm, I thought they were getting quite good value. It's a consolidation trade for them. Aldridge is easily better than any of Ibaka, Green and Harden. Ibaka is solid with some upside, Green is solid and Harden is still an interesting prospect. Them having value is why they get Aldridge and is the return New Orleans gets in terms of younger, cheaper pieces. None of the three are great, but they all have value.

Idog1976 said:
OKC would be signing their western conference death warrant with this trade, it leaves us thin at the 4 or with Okafor/Oden not good.
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They would be improving their squad at the same time. They don't deal either of their two best players (Durant and Westbrook) and get a still-pre-prime big man who provides 18 PER production and solid man defense.

I disagree that Okafor/Oden isn't good. It's not as well-matched as Aldridge/Oden, but Okafor is more of a 4 than a 5, IMO, and he would combine with Oden to create a completely impenetrable front line. Batum/Okafor/Oden would easily be the defensive front court in the game and could be one of the best defensive front courts ever. Portland would also win the rebounding battle pretty much every night. Okafor wouldn't provide a lot of offense, but with Roy and Paul as the guards and Oden's improving offensive game inside (and Batum shooting/slashing from the wing), Portland would have plenty of offense.
 
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