Crawchuck officially opting out

[UKRAINEFAN]

Joe Freeman ‏@BlazerFreeman #Blazers GM Neil Olshey extended the deadline for Jamal Crawford to opt in to player option until June 29. Olshey said it had been June 13

Why the heck would Olshey do that? What if the guy was injured in a auto accident in the next ten days; and we got stuck with him? This makes no sense.

 

[Nikolokolus]

So maybe I'm not understanding the timing, but could this be an Andre Miller kind of situation -- Making him eligible to be traded on draft-day as a psuedo-expiring contract?

 

[Blazinaway]

So maybe I'm not understanding the timing, but could this be an Andre Miller kind of situation -- Making him eligible to be traded on draft-day as a psuedo-expiring contract?

hmmm, interesting thought

 

[Mediocre Man]

So maybe I'm not understanding the timing, but could this be an Andre Miller kind of situation -- Making him eligible to be traded on draft-day as a psuedo-expiring contract?

I thought today was the deadline for players to opt in or out?

 

[Eastoff]

So maybe I'm not understanding the timing, but could this be an Andre Miller kind of situation -- Making him eligible to be traded on draft-day as a psuedo-expiring contract?

my first thought as well.. no idea on the rules though

 

[Draco]

I thought today was the deadline for players to opt in or out?

I think its depended on the language of the contract and not a league wide deadline. I don't understand why we would extend it unless Jamall said he was leaning towards opting in, so we decided to give him time to change his mind.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I thought today was the deadline for players to opt in or out?

Yeah me too ... I had no idea the team had any discretion in extending the deadline or not -- especially on a player option.

 

[Draco]

So maybe I'm not understanding the timing, but could this be an Andre Miller kind of situation -- Making him eligible to be traded on draft-day as a psuedo-expiring contract?

Perhaps, I just can't imagine any team would give anything of value back to us. I really don't like the risk of him being stuck on our cap.

 

[THE HCP]

It was a league wide thing...... Magic did the same with Nelson.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Joe Freeman ‏@BlazerFreeman
This was Olshey's call, he extended it. @bigjohnNEP Curious if this was league wide, because Jameer Nelson just got the same option.

 

[THE HCP]

Joe Freeman ‏@BlazerFreeman
This was Olshey's call, he extended it. @bigjohnNEP Curious if this was league wide, because Jameer Nelson just got the same option.

This bigjohn guy is asking great questions. Maybe I'll follow him!!!!!

 

[Draco]

Very interesting on why Olshey is doing this...

Does Olshey believe Crawford has trade value on an expiring 1 year $5mil deal? Only reason I can think of us hoping to keep him. He can't actually want Crawchuck playing for us can he?

 

[Mediocre Man]

This bigjohn guy is asking great questions. Maybe I'll follow him!!!!!

I assumed by the way Mrs HCP complained about your girth that you were Big John

 

[Nikolokolus]

Very interesting on why Olshey is doing this...

Does Olshey believe Crawford has trade value on an expiring 1 year $5mil deal? Only reason I can think of us hoping to keep him. He can't actually want Crawchuck playing for us can he?

God, that would be dreadful

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Very interesting on why Olshey is doing this...

Does Olshey believe Crawford has trade value on an expiring 1 year $5mil deal? Only reason I can think of us hoping to keep him. He can't actually want Crawchuck playing for us can he?

Think about it - he's a trade chip. He can be used to make salaries match in a potential trade, with the receiving team knowing Crawford will be a FA a couple days later this clearing cap space. Or perhaps the receiving team would want to convince him to stay.

It was actually a pretty smart move, IMO.

 

[RR7]

Think about it - he's a trade chip. He can be used to make salaries match in a potential trade, with the receiving team knowing Crawford will be a FA a couple days later this clearing cap space. Or perhaps the receiving team would want to convince him to stay.

It was actually a pretty smart move, IMO.

I am pretty sure when a player has a player option, he can not be traded until a decision is made on his option year.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Olshey just said that he extended Jamaal's opt in/out date to the 29th because 95% of the leagues players have that date. Normally he said it's the 30th, but that is a Saturday. He said he has not talked to Jamaal, but rather with his agent, Andy Miller. He said he wanted Jamaal to be the most comfortable with his decision as possible, which is another reason he pushed it back. Also that he wanted a chance to evaluate where things were as long as possible since he just got here. He said he knows Jamaal and would be happy to talk to him about what he feels his role would be if Jamaal opted in.

 

[RR7]

happy to talk to him about what he feels his role would be if Jamaal opted in.

contract filler?

 

[PapaG]

I am pretty sure when a player has a player option, he can not be traded until a decision is made on his option year.

Plus, no "draft day" trades can be finalized until the week of July 1st, which means Jamal will already have either opted out or kept his final year.

 

[RR7]

A draft day trade can be finalized before July 1st.

 

[PapaG]

A draft day trade can be finalized before July 1st.

Did the new CBA change things? Used to be draft day trades involving current NBA players could not be finalized until the week that FA begins.

 

[RR7]

Did the new CBA change things? Used to be draft day trades involving current NBA players could not be finalized until the week that FA begins.

felton deal was finalized that day. draft day trades are done draft day.

 

[PapaG]

felton deal was finalized that day. draft day trades are done draft day.

I know that they're done on draft day, but there used to be a lag in processing the trades that lasted until the first week of July.

This year's draft is 6/28. Crawford's contract now runs through 6/29. If his agent finds the right situation, he could always opt into his deal, and be used in a trade by the Blazers, since Crawford opting in prior to the draft would count toward the Blazers' cap space available on 6/28.

 

[RR7]

there was not a lag in the felton deal, otherwise it would not have been official until free agency started, which was in december. Lags in draft day deals only happen when they are deals like the Bayless-Rush swap we made, where the deal required salaries from the following season to be legal.

 

[PapaG]

there was not a lag in the felton deal, otherwise it would not have been official until free agency started, which was in december. Lags in draft day deals only happen when they are deals like the Bayless-Rush swap we made, where the deal required salaries from the following season to be legal.

There was a lockout after last season. Pretty much every draft day trade in every previous year has not been finalized until after July 1st, when the new contracts are in play, and the FA signing dead zone begins.

I'm still wondering what the impact of Crawford's deadline being extended means. If he opts in prior to the draft (doubtful), then he can be a part of a trade. If he doesn't, then he still needs to make a decision by 6/29, doesn't he?

I ask because I'm a bit confused on it.

 

[RR7]

deals are done and finalized on draft day. The felton deal is an example of this. It did not need to wait. Brandon Roy was traded on draft day. That deal was finalized on draft day. Jerryd Bayless was agreed in principle, but not traded until July 9th or so.

 

[PapaG]

deals are done and finalized on draft day. The felton deal is an example of this. It did not need to wait. Brandon Roy was traded on draft day. That deal was finalized on draft day. Jerryd Bayless was agreed in principle, but not traded until July 9th or so.

What does that have to do with Crawford, and his potential impact as trade fodder?

 

[Draco]

Draft day deals are normally finalized in June and fall under the ending season salary cap. However teams have the option of agreeing to the trade on draft night but having it delayed until July 1st to fall under the new seasons salary cap and contract structure.

In either case players who have ETO, player options, or team options cannot be traded in draft day deals.

 

[PapaG]

Draft day deals are normally finalized in June and fall under the ending season salary cap. However teams have the option of agreeing to the trade on draft night but having it delayed until July 1st to fall under the new seasons salary cap and contract structure.

In either case players who have ETO, player options, or team options cannot be traded in draft day deals.

So Crawford can't be traded. Thank you for the answer! It's all I really wanted to know.

 

[Blazer Freak]

I think one thing that people haven't really noticed, or simply forgotten, is that Olshey used to be involved on the agent side of the business. He knows and understands the power these agents and the power brokers in the NBA have over player movement and he seems to be doing a lot of things in order to appease the agents and build strong relationships with these people.

There was a portion of the ESPN article on him and the Paul trade that really highlighted this aspect of Olshey and it was really a driving force behind the acquisition of LeBron.

Regardless, Crawford is going to opt out. He is not going to risk missing out on the last multi-year contract of his career, and this is simply a nice gesture by Olshey. I'll try and find the article.