OT Crazy high-scoring games

[Orion Bailey]

I don't think you can go to the 90's and compare to today. Or the 80's, for that matter, when DEN routinely put up 150 in a game. I think good offenses take less time to get rolling in a new year than good defenses, but I think it's a definite factor that more teams are embracing the 3.

Denver was kind of an anomally though in that they basically didnt defend. But the league was more about defense and a slower half court game for sure.

I think the reason why the league team average is up is due to modern day hand checking rules. Players are generally taking shots with less contact. I dont know if the league fg% is up which would probably support my thought, but it just seems like the mid and long range game sees alot more open shots than contested in todays game.
I Think it was much tougher to shoot 40%3pt back them because of the contact that was allowed back then.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Yeah, it's not the scores, or even the volume of shooting, I guess - it's the percentage that are taken from 3. But I guess we've made moves in that direction ourselves, and it's kind a democratizing phenomenon. Good big men always go in the top 3 but you can find a shooter anywhere.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

https://fansided.com/2018/10/23/nba-scoring-explosion-opening-week-questions/

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't think you can go to the 90's and compare to today. Or the 80's, for that matter, when DEN routinely put up 150 in a game. I think good offenses take less time to get rolling in a new year than good defenses, but I think it's a definite factor that more teams are embracing the 3.

I believe you're referring to the Paul Westhead coached 1990-91 Nuggets. They averaged 119.9 ppg, but they also gave up 130.8 ppg.

For me, the best decade for NBA basketball was the 1980s. You had great offensive teams like the Showtime Lakers, great defensive teams, like the Bad Boy Pistons and teams like the Bird led Celtics and Jordan Bulls that were pretty damn good at both ends of the floor. The mid-80s were especially great when the league wide team scoring average was 110 points and the league wide FG% was greater than .490.

To me, that was the most aesthetically pleasing era for NBA basketball. Lots of player movement and lots of ball movement always with the goal of getting the highest percentage shot possible. In today's game, the heavy reliance on the 3-point shot has inflated the scores, but the quality of basketball has suffered.

Compare the 1984-85 season to 2017-18:

1984-85:
Average score = 110.1 ppg
Average FG% = .491
Average FGA/G = 89.1
Average made FG = 43.6
Average missed FG = 45.5

2017-18:
Average score = 106.3 ppg
Average FG% = .460
Average FGA/G = 86.1
Average made FG = 39.6
Average missed FG = 46.5

All this current outburst in 3-point shooting has done is shift scoring from higher percentage 2-point shots to lower percentage 3-point shots. Teams actually scored more back than, played at a faster pace, made more shots and missed fewer shots.

BNM

 

[Hoopguru]

I believe you're referring to the Paul Westhead coached 1990-91 Nuggets. They averaged 119.9 ppg, but they also gave up 130.8 ppg.

For me, the best decade for NBA basketball was the 1980s. You had great offensive teams like the Showtime Lakers, great defensive teams, like the Bad Boy Pistons and teams like the Bird led Celtics and Jordan Bulls that were pretty damn good at both ends of the floor. The mid-80s were especially great when the league wide team scoring average was 110 points and the league wide FG% was greater than .490.

To me, that was the most aesthetically pleasing era for NBA basketball. Lots of player movement and lots of ball movement always with the goal of getting the highest percentage shot possible. In today's game, the heavy reliance on the 3-point shot has inflated the scores, but the quality of basketball has suffered.

Compare the 1984-85 season to 2017-18:

1984-85:
Average score = 110.1 ppg
Average FG% = .491
Average FGA/G = 89.1
Average made FG = 43.6
Average missed FG = 45.5

2017-18:
Average score = 106.3 ppg
Average FG% = .460
Average FGA/G = 86.1
Average made FG = 39.6
Average missed FG = 46.5

All this current outburst in 3-point shooting has done is shift scoring from higher percentage 2-point shots to lower percentage 3-point shots. Teams actually scored more back than, played at a faster pace, made more shots and missed fewer shots.

BNM

in 82 Moe average 126 ppg

 

[ripcityboy]

Scoring 125 points means nothing if you lose by 130! Anybody ever seen a Big 12 football game? It's who can get up and down the field the most before the defenses wear out! Except the Blazers hardly aren't bothering to play much defense.

 

[Boob-No-More]

in 82 Moe average 126 ppg

The post I was responding to mentioned the DEN team that routinely scored 150. No team has ever routinely scored 150. The 81-82 Moe coached Nuggets scored 150 one time (and gave up 150 four times). The 90-91 Westhead coached Nuggets scored 150 three times (and gave up 150 nine times).

BNM

 

[illmatic99]

Nate and KP are complaining about the new rules. https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...out-nba-over-officiating-concerns/1740981002/

It has become tougher to defend in today's NBA, however, with the new emphasis on freedom of movement by game officials. It has become so problematic that the Pacers have reached out to Kiki Vandeweghe, executive vice president of basketball operations, to voice their concerns.

"It’s going to be a challenge for the league to call it the same. We’re calling so many fouls, a lot of it off the ball, that even during the course of the game it changes," said McMillan, who lamented his team's inability to stay in front of Derrick Rose and Jeff Teague in Monday's 101-91 loss to the Timberwolves. "We’re trying to adjust to the rules with these touch fouls, grabbing and touching can be called a foul every possession down the floor. It would screw up the game. You’re not calling it every time down the floor, therefore something needs to change."

"Now having speed is a killer out on the floor and trying to defend speed is a challenge because of the rules," McMillan said. "Now these teams with these guards just going and attacking, Rose and Teague, these little guards playing on catch, that's like the new athletic style of player that I think the league is going to take advantage of these rules. Speed, being able to recover and close out without using your hands? You can't touch a guy. You better be able to get down into a stance and guard it. That's hard to do."

 

[dviss1]

Y'all in here trippin....

Get rid of the 3 pointer....

 

[dviss1]

Nate and KP are complaining about the new rules. https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...out-nba-over-officiating-concerns/1740981002/

It's not a new rule. There's nothing new about freedom of movement. Those rules have been in place for over a decade.

It's simply a point of emphasis.


Tell Nate'nem to stop whining.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It's not a new rule. There's nothing new about freedom of movement. Those rules have been in place for over a decade.

It's simply a point of emphasis.


Tell Nate'nem to stop whining.

Since you are a ref how did you feel about some of the calls in the wizards game?
I felt like both teams couldve had a lot to complain about, but your perspectives going to be better than mine when it comes to officiating.

 

[illmatic99]

151 combined pts at half in GS/WAS game.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

OK, I regret complaining now.

 

[dviss1]

Since you are a ref how did you feel about some of the calls in the wizards game?
I felt like both teams couldve had a lot to complain about, but your perspectives going to be better than mine when it comes to officiating.

I thought the refs were garbage both sides that game.

They were the worst in the Laker game tho.

 

[illmatic99]

I hate these new rules. Last night's game was unwatchable. There's not point to having defenders anymore. Nurk has been neutered. And even more concerning is that this is apparently what the league and teams/coaches/players wanted. So this isn't going away anytime soon.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25149345/adam-silver-nba-rule-changes-boosting-offense-intended

Commissioner Adam Silver said Thursday he believes the league's new rules that have led to more offense are going well.

"We had a call with our competition committee last week, which is made up of coaches, GMs, owners, players, officials to discuss just that," Silver said at a news conference to announce Cleveland as the 2022 All-Star Game host. "And the consensus, or the strong feeling from the group was that the rule changes were happening as we intended."

The league-wide scoring average of 112.3 would be the highest in a season since 1970-71, when it was 112.4. Of the 30 NBA teams, 19 are averaging 110 points this season; six did so last season.

Silver said the intent of the new rules was to cut down on defensive players clutching and grabbing.

 

[trailblazer18]

I hate these new rules. Last night's game was unwatchable. There's not point to having defenders anymore. Nurk has been neutered.

Yeah, boring as crap to watch, but we have always been a much better offensive team than defensive team. We may net a bigger advantage than other teams because of this rule change.

 

[illmatic99]

Yeah, boring as crap to watch, but we have always been a much better offensive team than defensive team. We may net a bigger advantage than other teams because of this rule change.

This all is revealing what I would be after in a trade. A guy who is athletic and can defend 3-4-5 in the current NBA. Aminu doesn't have the smarts to actually be as versatile on defense as Terry thinks he is. A PJ Tucker type would be perfect. I'm torn about someone like Vonleh-- he had his shot here. Damn shame about Harkless. Makes you wonder if Layman should play more.

 

[BigGameDamian]

You guys are crazy! I love high scoring games. Anything is better than those mid to late 90s slugfest 82-85 games. Those were BRUTAL to watch.

I guess you hate seeing great defense being played.

 

[stampedehero]

Refs are letting players play...…...

 

[THE HCP]

If there was an S2 back in 1993-99, you would have all been bitchin about how the games are horrible because nobody can score. Oh those 78-79 game were SO fun to watch huh?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If there was an S2 back in 1993-99, you would have all been bitchin about how the games are horrible because nobody can score. Oh those 78-79 game were SO fun to watch huh?

Youre a few decades off the only time scoring was that low was in the 50’s.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

Points arent at all time high, but there sure is very little defense going on.

 

[Hoopguru]

Youre a few decades off the only time scoring was that low was in the 50’s.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

Points arent at all time high, but there sure is very little defense going on.

Yeah, I think I prefer the era when a defender could be a defender.
The late 80 Blazers were a fun team and the league was physical and also exciting.

 

[ripcityboy]

If there was an S2 back in 1993-99, you would have all been bitchin about how the games are horrible because nobody can score. Oh those 78-79 game were SO fun to watch huh?

Do you ever criticize the league ON ANYTHING?! I realize the NBA is your workplace but it would be nice to get some objectivity from the ONE GUY on this board who sees pro basketball, in all of it's glory and excesses, on a day to day basis.

Or is that why you shit on baseball all the time? It's your recepticle for all the negativity of sports entertainment.

Here, give me a list of five league problems AND THE REASONS WHY the NBA could improve upon them. JUST FIVE. I swear to all that's holy, you come up with FIVE MAJOR ISSUES the NBA does not address, I won't say a negative thing about you for an entire month. But I know deep down in your heart you can't dare criticize the NBA. You don't have it in you.... It's impossible that you bring the same critical logic to basketball that you do to baseball.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I swear to all that's holy, you come up with FIVE MAJOR ISSUES the NBA does not address, I won't say a negative thing about you for an entire month.

Wow, a whole month!

Shit, I often go twice that long forgetting that @HCP even exists. And I'm not even trying. It just happens naturally.

BNM

 

[ripcityboy]

Wow, a whole month!

Shit, I often go twice that long forgetting that @HCP even exists. And I'm not even trying. It just happens naturally.

BNM

TWO MONTHS! And don't derail the subject! HCP has to describe FIVE NEGATIVE THINGS about the sports he loves. FIVE UNAVOIDABLE REALITIES the NBA must face. He has to use the same lens that trashes baseball and focus it on basketball. And they can't be stupid shit like catering or uncomfortable air travel. I WANT FIVE THINGS THAT PISS HIM OFF!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

TWO MONTHS! And don't derail the subject! HCP has to describe FIVE NEGATIVE THINGS about the sports he loves. FIVE UNAVOIDABLE REALITIES the NBA must face. He has to use the same lens that trashes baseball and focus it on basketball. And they can't be stupid shit like catering or uncomfortable air travel. I WANT FIVE THINGS THAT PISS HIM OFF!

I don't know if I can come up with 5 things that upset me about the NBA...

• Flopping
• Traveling
• Superstar calls
• Moving screens
• Super Teams

Honestly though, those first four could all just be grouped together as "officiating", and then I only have two.

 

[ripcityboy]

I don't know if I can come up with 5 things that upset me about the NBA...

• Flopping
• Traveling
• Superstar calls
• Moving screens
• Super Teams

Honestly though, those first four could all just be grouped together as "officiating", and then I only have two.

That's just officiating and super teams. I want five major issues in detail. From one person.....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Yeah, I think I prefer the era when a defender could be a defender.
The late 80 Blazers were a fun team and the league was physical and also exciting.

I think the average score of 100ish was about right.

I don't know if I can come up with 5 things that upset me about the NBA...

• Flopping
• Traveling
• Superstar calls
• Moving screens
• Super Teams

Honestly though, those first four could all just be grouped together as "officiating", and then I only have two.

Officiating (mainly inconsistancy), Super teams that arent the Blazers, The Lakers, The Rockets, Doc Rivers, The fake tough guy lets chest bump each other “fights”, Draymond Green. AAU Culture (not the NBA but its problems spread towards the NBA all the time).

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't know if I can come up with 5 things that upset me about the NBA...

• Flopping
• Traveling
• Superstar calls
• Moving screens
• Super Teams

Honestly though, those first four could all just be grouped together as "officiating", and then I only have two.

and free range of motion! lol

 

[Hoopguru]

That's just officiating and super teams. I want five major issues in detail. From one person.....

I'll give it a shot?
1. they have women referee's
2. The defense cant play like men
3. Not enough Jewish coaches
4. To many bow ties being worn
5. No NBA player should be allow to wear a TShirt under sleevless to. No more filling the sleeves!